Thoughts On Wr3

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336492962' post='1073975']


As far as scheme fit goes. Honestly if streeter has a good camp I can see him being in there more then many might think. If we sign Jones I can see Reed or Williams getting the ax
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If Jones is signed it would be Reed and not LaQuan. Reed will probably begin the season on PUP and won't count until game 7 at the Texans. If Jones is returning kicks and doing it well, I can see us put Reed back on IR or even cut him. Williams offers a lot more on special teams than Reed, which is why he won't be cut unless Reed is back to being a good KR.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1336489148' post='1073938']
I'd like to see Doss get more of an opportunity. I watched him a few times when he was at I.U. and he was very impressive. LaQuan should also get some more looks as the 4th wide receiver. Streeter should be worked in at the latest by the end of the situation in redzone situations to get his feet wet. David Reed, if healthy, needs to work on his fumbling issues.
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I agree with you a lot here. I think that #3 spot will go to Doss, but I think it will be fluid. I see Doss getting snaps when we need sure hands. I see LaQuan getting snaps when we need to go deep since he is faster than Doss. I see Streeter getting snaps when we need to go deep or in the red zone. I think the position will be a revolving door, lol. Reed, well, if he comes back then I see him doing some reverses in Stallworth's old role.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1336466117' post='1073840']


I've basically said that every time the subject has been brought up. There are 5 linemen and Joe making 6, so of the other 5 slots on offense we're better off with 2 wrs 2te and Rice than 3 wrs. We can't spread that wide, because of protection issues. Basically Rice is our third receiver.
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With our improved offensive line I hope that changes. I think it will. We have some muscle here now. I really like this line heading into this season. I think it will drop Rice's numbers, though. I want to mix it up, and do a mix of 2WR2TE and 3WR1TE sets.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336496284' post='1073997']

If Jones is signed it would be Reed and not LaQuan. Reed will probably begin the season on PUP and won't count until game 7 at the Texans. If Jones is returning kicks and doing it well, I can see us put Reed back on IR or even cut him. Williams offers a lot more on special teams than Reed, which is why he won't be cut unless Reed is back to being a good KR.
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I just think with Jones and streeter on the team and seeing as how both hose guys fit the scheme we run I don't see how the team goes with Doss. Now I mean pure scheme fit.

With that said I think it doesn't matter who the third is he wont get any playing time anyway

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1336466117' post='1073840']


I've basically said that every time the subject has been brought up. There are 5 linemen and Joe making 6, so of the other 5 slots on offense we're better off with 2 wrs 2te and Rice than 3 wrs. We can't spread that wide, because of protection issues. Basically Rice is our third receiver.
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I know you are right and its a shame because that offense isn't going to beat half the teams on our schedule if the defense doesn't step it up without suggs.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336496594' post='1074006']
With our improved offensive line I hope that changes. I think it will. We have some muscle here now. I really like this line heading into this season. I think it will drop Rice's numbers, though. I want to mix it up, and do a mix of 2WR2TE and 3WR1TE sets.
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I've always thought it would be interesting to do something like a 4 wide set in the redzone using both tight ends and tall receivers i.e. Streeter at 6'4" and maybe Doss at 6'2", or maybe a combo of Dickson, Pitta, Davon Drew, and Lamont Bryant.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336501187' post='1074048']


I just think with Jones and streeter on the team and seeing as how both hose guys fit the scheme we run I don't see how the team goes with Doss. Now I mean pure scheme fit.

With that said I think it doesn't matter who the third is he wont get any playing time anyway
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Streeter is an excellent fit for our offense, 100% agreed. I believe he sees the field this year despite what anyone says. I see him used in red zone packages and vertical routes.

As for Jones, I just don't see him contributing much here. Doss isn't slow. He is faster than Boldin, actually. He has good hands. He can run routes to get open. He was injured last year, or we would have seen more of him. As for him contributing as a #3, I believe he will. I see him having a big role this year.

I disagree with your very last comment. I believe Doss, Streeter and Williams all see playing time. We will need all three of them. It will be hard since we have two good TEs, but I believe it will happen.

As for Cam and his misuse of our offense, I have to say I believe that's not true. I think Cam has done a good job with what we have. He couldn't run 3WR sets last year because we didn't have anyone good enough to be the #3 and our OL was weak. We compensated for a weak OL with our TEs blocking. They didn't do the best job, but we needed all the help we could get. This year, I see a huge improvement in our OL. I think it will be dominant this year. With a solid OL, we can go three wide.

Remember, we used Housh, Boldin, and Mason plenty of times on the field at the same time. Problem there was they were all possession guys. It didn't work. Smith changed our offense. Maybe Streeter or Doss does the same. We will see. The bottom-line is I am very optimistic about our offense this year. I feel very good about it.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1336501546' post='1074052']


I've always thought it would be interesting to do something like a 4 wide set in the redzone using both tight ends and tall receivers i.e. Streeter at 6'4" and maybe Doss at 6'2", or maybe a combo of Dickson, Pitta, Davon Drew, and Lamont Bryant.
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I like the idea, but I don't trust Drew or Bryant at this point to be on the field making a contribution this year. I like Bryant a lot, I just feel like he will need some time to develop. As for Drew, he never really showed me anything.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336505241' post='1074091']
I like the idea, but I don't trust Drew or Bryant at this point to be on the field making a contribution this year. I like Bryant a lot, I just feel like he will need some time to develop. As for Drew, he never really showed me anything.
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But say we're on the opponents' 6 yard line and all we want these guys to do is get into the endzone, turn around, and get open, I think both would be capable of it. We run almost exclusively in the redzone, and against better teams i.e. Houston in the playoffs it doesn't always work. I'd like to see them spread the defense out with a bunch of big bodies and let opponents try to win a few jump-ball match-ups.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1336505481' post='1074097']


But say we're on the opponents' 6 yard line and all we want these guys to do is get into the endzone, turn around, and get open, I think both would be capable of it. We run almost exclusively in the redzone, and against better teams i.e. Houston in the playoffs it doesn't always work. I'd like to see them spread the defense out with a bunch of big bodies and let opponents try to win a few jump-ball match-ups.
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I think a big reason why we weren't successful in the red zone was a combination of a bad offensive line, a runningback that struggles in the redzone (Rice; Williams ran well there), a lack of personnel who could snatch it out of the air (Streeter fixes this) and an OC who sometimes becomes stubborn and tries to make something work with his best players (Ricky should have been running in the red zone on those tough downs, not Rice).

I think almost all of those ailments will be fixed this year. We drafted a RB who can get those short yards (Pierce), our OL got stronger (Gradkowski, Osemele; McKinnie has another year of consistency), we have someone who is tall and can snatch the ball in the air (Streeter). Overall, I think those help us big time. Factor in an improved special teams and our offense should get a boost.

[Fries]

Lamont Bryant!

[Grapple Raven]

[i]That would definately be a change to see us throwing it instead of running it near the red zone! That ought to catch a few teams offguard for a short period. lol[/i]

[i]But in all seriousness, we need some versatility with the game planning strategy in conjunction with some rotation of personel near the red zone. It would be great to see...but honestly I ain't holding my breath. But I will keep my fingers crossed![/i]

[Purple_ICE 81]

Tandon Doss V Jacoby Jones. Period

[PeRK82]

Lq. Williams.


Nuff Said.

[Kinda_Dante]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1336588021' post='1075124']
Tandon Doss V Jacoby Jones. Period
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I don't think you can just put it like that. I think all the receivers will have their shot at #3. I can tell you like Streeter from your avi (so I'm not saying you're hating on him) and honestly we don't know what he brings to the field. Maybe just Maybe he blows it up in training camp and he wins the #3. I'm not saying to count on that all I'm saying is you never know.

[grape drank]

by commity, but hopefully Doss gets it next year. Most familiarity with Flacco, Pita-like hands, decent speed, decent height, and good route running ability. Watch for him to become Flacco's security Blanket. We may run a spread in the red zone, get tommy, Pitta, and Doss out there and Torrey taking the top off. GOOD stuff.

[Ravenslifer]

Whoever the 3rd wide receiver, I hope he AND the 4th receiver start to see more snaps than those positions have in the last 4 seasons.

[PeRK82]

It should be LQ WILLIAMS.


Nuff said.

LOLOL, just noticed i already posted this,lol

[CapoRocky]

Okay, does anyone think that we will go with 3 or 4 WR sets this year? It's more likely that we will throw to Rice, Dickson, or Pitta. Smith and Boldin are locked at the wides with Doss, Williams, Jones, and Streeter rotating in from the bench on occasion. I hope that I'm wrong here, but after watching Cameron for the past few years, I'm not convinced that he will change his routine.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1336934744' post='1077173']
Okay, does anyone think that we will go with 3 or 4 WR sets this year? It's more likely that we will throw to Rice, Dickson, or Pitta. Smith and Boldin are locked at the wides with Doss, Williams, Jones, and Streeter rotating in from the bench on occasion. I hope that I'm wrong here, but after watching Cameron for the past few years, I'm not convinced that he will change his routine.
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Rice and the TEs will see their targets, but we should definitely see more three and four-wide sets next season. With Evans hobbled most of the year, Doss not being 100% and LaQuan focusing on special teams, it's no surprise we didn't see many spread formations last season.

Cam called his fair share of them in 2010 when the offense had three capable WRs most of the year. With Jones now in the fold and Doss getting a full off-season, the only reason I can see for him not to spread the field significantly more is issues with pass protection.

[CapoRocky]

The ideal set up would be to have Jones and Streeter emerge as a speedy option to mirror Smith and WR. This would free up Boldin and Doss to work the slot in 3 WR sets. Williams could rotate in on third downs. I'm not saying that Cameron doesn't have the plays in his West Coast offense rather it's just that he doesn't often use them on a consistent basis. The other problem is that it takes Leach off the field.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1336936593' post='1077188']
The ideal set up would be to have Jones and Streeter emerge as a speedy option to mirror Smith and WR. This would free up Boldin and Doss to work the slot in 3 WR sets. Williams could rotate in on third downs. I'm not saying that Cameron doesn't have the plays in his West Coast offense rather it's just that he doesn't often use them on a consistent basis. The other problem is that it takes Leach off the field.
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Agreed on Jones and Streeter.

Cam runs an Air Coryell system. The West Coast offense involves shorter routes predicated on timing.

As much as we all love Leach, the passing game isn't going to become diverse with him on the field. If he plays less snaps, so be it.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1336936593' post='1077188']
The ideal set up would be to have Jones and Streeter emerge as a speedy option to mirror Smith and WR. This would free up Boldin and Doss to work the slot in 3 WR sets. Williams could rotate in on third downs. I'm not saying that Cameron doesn't have the plays in his[b] West Coast offense[/b] rather it's just that he doesn't often use them on a consistent basis. The other problem is that it takes Leach off the field.
[/quote]Cam runs a polar opposite of a WCO... thats short intermediate routes stretching the field horizontly.. Cam runs a vertcial Air Coryell system set up by running the ball then play action of off that

[CapoRocky]

I'd love the deep threat potential of having Torrey keeping the secondary honest. That can be maximized by having another deep threat in the lineup (Jones or Streeter). This should open up the short routes to Q, Doss, or a TE. Leach has a role as a run blocker and in pass protection that cannot be minimized. Still, as the Chargers game showed us last year, it's hard to beat a team that is successfully throwing the ball all over the field.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1336505241' post='1074091']
I like the idea, but I don't trust Drew or Bryant at this point to be on the field making a contribution this year. I like Bryant a lot, I just feel like he will need some time to develop. As for Drew, he never really showed me anything.
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I agree but it would be cool if he made the team as a te/wr but he would have to really show that he's a good blocking tight end to do so. Bryant not only is very tall but has very good speed and he could turn out to be similar to titans tight end jared cook

[GrimCoconut]

I believe 100% we run more 3WR and 4WR sets than last year. I believe by the end of this year Torrey Smith will be our consensus #1 WR. I believe Boldin will be firmly set at #2 but I also believe he won't see as many snaps as he did last year. I'm not saying that because he is bad, but I see Cam getting all of our WRs involved this year. Doss will be healed and will be used unless he is injured. I see Williams getting a few snaps here and there on offense. I believe Jones and Streeter both see targets during 3rd and long situations with Torrey and Pitta as well.

We have a lot of depth (most unproven, but still) at WR and I believe just as our CB situation surprised last year I see our WR surprising this year. I feel very good about our passing offense.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1336946343' post='1077279']


I agree but it would be cool if he made the team as a te/wr but he would have to really show that he's a good blocking tight end to do so
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I hope so. I personally really like Bryant. I hope we keep him somehow.