Any Updates On Michael McAdoo Or Pernell McPhee?

[jdynamite]

I have been searching for info on McAdoo. Just any type of update such as if he has gained weight to play DE, if he has been or will be doing some training with anyone like Suggs, Ngata or Ray Lewis this offseason....

I've read about Kindle , Kruger , even A.Jones having expectations for this season of improving playing a larger role, but I haven't heard anything about McAdoo or his potential ....

Also I'm wondering what McPhee is doing to improve upon his impressive rookie season, especially with Redding spot available...

[PuRock]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1335889391' post='1068978']
I have been searching for info on McAdoo. Just any type of update such as if he has gained weight to play DE, if he has been or will be doing some training with anyone like Suggs, Ngata or Ray Lewis this offseason....

I've read about Kindle , Kruger , even A.Jones having expectations for this season of improving playing a larger role, but I haven't heard anything about McAdoo or his potential ....

Also I'm wondering what McPhee is doing to improve upon his impressive rookie season, especially with Redding spot available...
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Haven't really heard any news either. My guess is McPhee is up for a huge roll this year. The team must really feel comfortable with him replacing Redding. The Ravens really didn't really seek a replacement for Redding in FA or the draft.

I'm excited about this new revamped front 7. Getting some of that youth to play bigger roles is going to be very fruitful. I don't see how we aren't going to lead the league in sacks this year. Upshaw and McPhee will add more to the pass rush than Johnson and Redding.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1335890937' post='1069000']
Haven't really heard any news either. My guess is McPhee is up for a huge roll this year. The team must really feel comfortable with him replacing Redding. The Ravens really didn't really seek a replacement for Redding in FA or the draft.

I'm excited about this new revamped front 7. Getting some of that youth to play bigger roles is going to be very fruitful. I don't see how we aren't going to lead the league in sacks this year. Upshaw and McPhee will add more to the pass rush than Johnson and Redding.
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The scheme is going to change again, as well as the play calling. Pees is more old school in his approach with pressures, I'll be extremely surprised if we see the kind of stunts that we saw last year. The blitzing will still be there don't get me wrong, but it's not going to be as creative. The alignments will also be alot more standard, we won't see any kind of shifting through gaps.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1335892161' post='1069037']
The scheme is going to change again, as well as the play calling. Pees is more old school in his approach with pressures, I'll be extremely surprised if we see the kind of stunts that we saw last year. The blitzing will still be there don't get me wrong, but it's not going to be as creative. The alignments will also be alot more standard, we won't see any kind of shifting through gaps.
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That's true. The more aggressive play-calling will be gone. But I think I have more faith in the 2012 squad getting to the QB, based on pure motor and talent alone than a defensive front 7 wiith JJ and Redding.

Plus Ngata should be fully healthy, Cody should've developed further, and Suggs should find less attention if Upshaw can make a splash.

[Ed_Reed20]

I don't have any actual news on McAdoo, but I did see him briefly working out with the other players during OTAs a few weeks ago. After Sizzle, Kruger and Upshaw, the D has some really talented OLB depth.

[H8R]

I'm pretty certain Art Jones is initial Redding replacement, not McPhee.

Also, it sounds like you guys are ASSUMING things about DPees... NE was aggressive while he was there and they forced a TON of turnovers and such. I'd like to think we have a MUCH better roster then them , so we should see some good things from Dean.

[admartian]

I'm quietly excited at the young promising talent we have on defense. With McPhee, McAdoo, Kruger, Kindle (hopefully), Webb, Jimmy Smith, Upshaw - are all to build a defense around.

If we can only add another promising safety and ILB in the next draft we're set for the future.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1335908704' post='1069355']
I'm pretty certain Art Jones is initial Redding replacement, not McPhee.

Also, it sounds like you guys are ASSUMING things about DPees... NE was aggressive while he was there and they forced a TON of turnovers and such. I'd like to think we have a MUCH better roster then them , so we should see some good things from Dean.
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Exactly, Pees made a darn good defensive unit out of the old and slow Patriot defense that he had control over

[BloodRaven]

I hope Art Jones drops under 300lb, 325lb is just too heavy for DE unless you're a freak like Ngata.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1335909034' post='1069361']
I'm quietly excited at the young promising talent we have on defense. With McPhee, McAdoo, Kruger, Kindle (hopefully), Webb, Jimmy Smith, Upshaw - are all to build a defense around.

If we can only add another promising safety and ILB in the next draft we're set for the future.
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This is how I feel also. We have talented young defenders all over with the exception of ILB and S. T.Cody will continue to develop into a gap-filing run stuffing monster , while guys like upshaw , Kruger , ( Kindle = this year it will happen ) flying around the outside. McPhee has to really put the work in this offseason because he won't be surprising anyone this season after a solid rookie season, Art Jones didn't get the sacks like Kruger or McPhee last year but he still saw much more playing time and was solid.
I think about a guy like McAdoo that could also develop, he is an unknown ( possible X-factor ). He has been on the team now for almost a year so I'm thinking he has to be much bigger than 245lbs now.
Add in the Secondary youth Webb, J.Smith, C.Williams ( still young developing also ), Gorrer ( he was very impressive in a few games last year ). C.Brown didn't get much action.

[GrimCoconut]

I hope McAdoo is a monster this year. I like him a lot just due to his potential and what I saw from him in the preseason game before his 'injury'. He is on my list as the biggest surprises this year.

[Yatagarasu]

Injury as in Weight Issue.

He weight too light that he was unfit for the gridiron, thus put on medical leave.

Hope he hanged out at enough buffets to gain 30-40 pounds.

If he's at 280 and still have the abilities he shown last year, he will be in for a big load of work.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1335995048' post='1070242']
Injury as in Weight Issue.

He weight too light that he was unfit for the gridiron, thus put on medical leave.

Hope he hanged out at enough buffets to gain 30-40 pounds.

If he's at 280 and still have the abilities he shown last year, he will be in for a big load of work.
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He doesn't need to have gained that much weight. With how much the D rotates players, especially along the front seven, McAdoo could still be serviceable as a situational pass rusher (assuming he makes the roster).

[The Raven]

I'd like him in the 260-270 range ideally. He's got a long frame so he's got room to carry it. Just hope he keeps his explosion as that is his best asset.

[Purple Punishment]

McAdoo will get 8-12 sacks and be extremely disruptive coming from the blindisde!

If that were to happen, What would we do?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1336100834' post='1071842']
McAdoo will get 8-12 sacks and be extremely disruptive coming from the blindisde!

If that were to happen, What would we do?
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Probably talk about how we should trade Kruger, lol. Just kidding.

That would be great. I would send Pagano "thank you" cards.

[Purple Punishment]

yeah but with Upshaw and Sizzle, where does McAdoo fit if he performs to that level

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1336102690' post='1071855']
yeah but with Upshaw and Sizzle, where does McAdoo fit if he performs to that level
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You can never have enough pass rushers.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1336100834' post='1071842']
McAdoo will get 8-12 sacks and be extremely disruptive coming from the blindisde!

If that were to happen, What would we do?
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Keep kicking [profanity deleted]?

[BloodRaven]

My take on McAdoo.

Pros:

Great first step, accelerates fast and covers a lot of ground.
Very good closing speed.
Elite length, long arms.
Good balance especially at his height, good dip and bend.

Cons:

He misses the snap and comes off the ball late.
Doesn't always hustle, seems to tire late.
Average hand usage.
Ineffective spin moves.
Lack of bulk, average strength.

[POE]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1336110266' post='1071886']
My take on McAdoo.

Pros:

Great first step, accelerates fast and covers a lot of ground.
Very good closing speed.
Elite length, long arms.
Good balance especially at his height, good dip and bend.

Cons:

He misses the snap and comes off the ball late.
Doesn't always hustle, seems to tire late.
Average hand usage.
Ineffective spin moves.
Lack of bulk, average strength.
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Isn't this very similar to what Art Jones' brother brings to the table, minus the injury problems?

[rmw10]

I think McAdoo is going to show us a pretty good season, putting up 5-7 sacks in a situational role. Obviously enough was thought of him to let him make the final roster last season. Of couse, he was "IRed" a couple days later, but it still speaks volumes about his ability. He looked good in his one preseason game as well.

Also, watch out for McClellan. I like that guy's motor.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1336146969' post='1072040']
I think McAdoo is going to show us a pretty good season, putting up 5-7 sacks in a situational role. Obviously enough was thought of him to let him make the final roster last season. Of couse, he was "IRed" a couple days later, but it still speaks volumes about his ability. He looked good in his one preseason game as well.

Also, watch out for McClellan. I like that guy's motor.
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How do you think the new d coordinator will effect these guys?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='POE' timestamp='1336145503' post='1072032']
Isn't this very similar to what Art Jones' brother brings to the table, minus the injury problems?
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Jones has the edge in most categories, weight, stronger hands, can play the run, better motor, production etc but McAdoo has better burst, agility and rare closing speed. At 245lb McAdoo is purely a situational edge rusher and while there wouldn't be much separating them in getting to the QB it's when Jones ability to play the run comes into play, the longer a player can be effective on the field the more valuable he is. This is why Suggs is DPotY and Jared Allen is not.

But maybe McAdoo comes in at 270lb and blows everyone out of the water, who knows?

[BenMir]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1336147681' post='1072050']
Jones has the edge in most categories, weight, stronger hands, can play the run, better motor, production etc but McAdoo has better burst, agility and rare closing speed. At 245lb McAdoo is purely a situational edge rusher and while there wouldn't be much separating them in getting to the QB it's when Jones ability to play the run comes into play, the longer a player can be effective on the field the more valuable he is. This is why Suggs is DPotY and Jared Allen is not.

But maybe McAdoo comes in at 270lb and blows everyone out of the water, who knows?
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I don't think bulking 30-40 lbs a year is impossible. I think the question here is if he can keep his speed while getting the muscle, and maybe learning a new move or two so he won't have to rely only on speed rush.

[pgk]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1335908704' post='1069355']
I'm pretty certain Art Jones is initial Redding replacement, not McPhee.

Also, it sounds like you guys are ASSUMING things about DPees... NE was aggressive while he was there and they forced a TON of turnovers and such. I'd like to think we have a MUCH better roster then them , so we should see some good things from Dean.
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Agreed with regards to Pees. I think he will do a great job. If there is a drop off in aggressiveness and pressure, I actually think that it will be tied to a possible step back in run defense. Getting in 3 and long situations (which is where we really get after the QB) requires winning on 1st and 2nd down. We have lost 3 great run defenders in JJ, Redding, and Suggs. I think that Kruger and McPhee are great at getting after the QB but if they can't stop the run first then we won't have as many 3rd and long situations. If the youngs guys step up and we are able to stop the run on downs 1 and 2 as well as we did last year, than I think our pass rush may be even better than last year, even without Suggs. If they can't than we will be somewhat limited in terms of how aggressive we can be on 3rd down and the pass rush will suffer.

[rmw10]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1336147478' post='1072048']
How do you think the new d coordinator will effect these guys?
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Pees is more of a traditional guy. He sends pressure, but doesn't really go with the creative schemes like we saw from Pagano.

As for McAdoo, I think you'll see him on 3rd downs as a LB, and in some cases, a DE with his size, pending he picked up some weight this offseason. Losing Suggs really opened up an opportunity for him.

McClellan is a bit different. He's primarily a ST guy that will see some time on defense. You could see him at inside or outside LB, and maybe even DE on occasion. He's a guy that has worked incredibly hard to get where he is, and I think he'll be pushing for some major playing time this year.

Our OLBs will most likely be Upshaw and Kruger starting, with Kindle, McAdoo, and McClellan getting reps in certain situations. I don't really have any basis for this, but I feel Kruger will have some rough games, and you'll see a lot more of one of the 3 backups in certain games.