Why Did We Back Out Of The 1St Round?

[truthistold2u]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1335536511' post='1060376']
say they gave glenn, upshaw and hill top 15 status...they all are still there right? well no matter what happens they can still get one of them...and now we have an extra pick. Most likely thats the scenario...
[/quote]

Don't anyone gave Hill top 15. Seen him ranked 60th

[PurpleReign92]

Letting Brendon Mckinney go and Cory Redding go was a big gaping whole. Now our chance to fill it with little cap room and still have the up front on defense pound for pound will give us the rankings of the most feared defenses in the NFL.. We couldn't possibly be worse then top 3.

[lowrider]

Getting that extra pick allows the Ravens to trade up in the 2nd day if there are certain players they really like. Does that mean we have?

2nds-2
3rds-1
4ths-3
5ths-2
6ths-1
7ths-1

A fourth rounder for the Ravens is so valuable because of how well they use their picks. Every year the Ravens always have impact players that are drafted later. Might as well stock up

[usmccharles]

[quote name='truthistold2u' timestamp='1335536896' post='1060391']
Don't anyone gave Hill top 15. Seen him ranked 60th
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was just an example...

[NgataForPresident]

Moving back was not only the practical but I would say necessary. No one has mentioned the depth chart. Looking at it, it should be obvious that we have serious & glaring needs (OG, DE, OLB, WR, ILB) and wants (OT, K, RB, S, C). You can't group two positions DE & OLB into one DE/OLB. They are two totally seperate positions/needs. We have spent just about 99% of our cap space so there is no significant cap room to sign any free agents short of Flacco/Rice resignings, Suggs/Ngata restructures, or Ed Reed extention. I would consider trading back a few spots in the second round again for an additional late 4th. History shows that nobody nails the mid-rounds more than Oz.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1335512433' post='1060004']
well Denver one pick behind us didn't even get extra picks
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Leverage is a funny thing. I mean the Browns only moved up one sot and gave up 3 picks. Even if it was even by the chart, not sure if it was, but still gotta say great value for the vikings.
I think we could have had some leverage on them or Tampa and juiced at least pick switch.

[Blex64]

[quote name='EdAInWestOC' timestamp='1335534248' post='1060290']
OK...I get it that there are good players available in the 2nd - 7th rounds and that trading back is not the end of the world but there are two approaches to this drafting thing.

You can sit by and play it safe by consulting with your board and staff. This may sound lke the reasonable thing and it is reasonable but there's a catch.

To be really good at something you have to sometimes let it all hang out and go for the thing you want. This is definately not reasonable and those who subscribe to the patient and prescribed approach will not like the "go for it" approach. But like I said there is a catch.

It order to win that elusive championship you have to sometimes forget the prescribed approach and play by your gut. This is very often what seperates the people who win it all from those who are regular winners but just fall short. Sometimes you have to take a shot and play by your gut and that includes the NFL draft.

I don't know if Hightower was the heir apparent to Ray Lewis or whether he would have been that one spark to drive us over that elusive edge and to another Super Bowl win but we will never know because we played it safe last night.

Playing it safe makes us look prudent and like an organization that knows its priorities but that may be all we end up with after the 2012 campaign. Its a good organization that plays by its rules...I hope those rules don't leave us outside looking in at another Super Bowl this year.

The real rub is that this team is so dammed close. There is just one more thing that needs to happen, one more player or one more play. If we do end up this year like we did last year I am sure we will al be asking why the hell didn't we take that chance?

I do not want an organization like they run down by DC. That is way too much "by the seat of your pants" and its gotten them very little in return. I just have the feeling that we let an opportunity go that may have been the right thing to do. If we would have made the trade to get Hightower we could be hoisting another Lombardi trophy. Or not.

That's the thing that drives you crazy about this stuff. Personally I would have made the deal and taken the chance on Hightower. He looks like the right guy and it seems to be the right time. But we will never know.

Ed
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I cannot put into words how glad I am that you are [b]not [/b]the team's GM.

[ellicottraven]

We moved out of the first because we got an additional early 4th round pick and perhaps will still pick the player we would hae at #29. I think that is about as succinct as I can get!

[usmccharles]

[quote name='EdAInWestOC' timestamp='1335534248' post='1060290']
OK...I get it that there are good players available in the 2nd - 7th rounds and that trading back is not the end of the world but there are two approaches to this drafting thing.

You can sit by and play it safe by consulting with your board and staff. This may sound lke the reasonable thing and it is reasonable but there's a catch.

To be really good at something you have to sometimes let it all hang out and go for the thing you want. This is definately not reasonable and those who subscribe to the patient and prescribed approach will not like the "go for it" approach. But like I said there is a catch.

It order to win that elusive championship you have to sometimes forget the prescribed approach and play by your gut. This is very often what seperates the people who win it all from those who are regular winners but just fall short. Sometimes you have to take a shot and play by your gut and that includes the NFL draft.

I don't know if Hightower was the heir apparent to Ray Lewis or whether he would have been that one spark to drive us over that elusive edge and to another Super Bowl win but we will never know because we played it safe last night.

Playing it safe makes us look prudent and like an organization that knows its priorities but that may be all we end up with after the 2012 campaign. Its a good organization that plays by its rules...I hope those rules don't leave us outside looking in at another Super Bowl this year.

The real rub is that this team is so dammed close. There is just one more thing that needs to happen, one more player or one more play. If we do end up this year like we did last year I am sure we will al be asking why the hell didn't we take that chance?

I do not want an organization like they run down by DC. That is way too much "by the seat of your pants" and its gotten them very little in return. I just have the feeling that we let an opportunity go that may have been the right thing to do. If we would have made the trade to get Hightower we could be hoisting another Lombardi trophy. Or not.

That's the thing that drives you crazy about this stuff. Personally I would have made the deal and taken the chance on Hightower. He looks like the right guy and it seems to be the right time. But we will never know.

Ed
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Seriously? do you know the track record of the ravens draft? I dont think you understand the idea of what "value" means in the draft. You would fit in with the raiders though...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1335542177' post='1060503']
Leverage is a funny thing. I mean the Browns only moved up one sot and gave up 3 picks. Even if it was even by the chart, not sure if it was, but still gotta say great value for the vikings.
I think we could have had some leverage on them or Tampa and [b]juiced at least pick switch.[/b]
[/quote]what are you on about, we got a 4th rounder?

[LeJaeS]

I think it was a good move. But I was really looking for to getting Courtney Upshaw. I feel he can be a good on the defense of end. Our defenese is still good but getting old also we need to look for future defense of talent.

[redrum52]

I don't think we go after Upshaw. Hers a question, couldn't we trade the first second, move back a few spots, still get a Glenn or wideout, then package the 3rd and early 4th for another second? That would give us 3 second founders in a deep draft and with the trade back still give us mid round value picks. This sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if we went after Fleener and Ronnell Lewis who I think would be a beast off the edge. Pitta and Dickson only have I think one year left before we need to tag em. We have a lot of potential at olb in Kindle, Kruger Chavis Williams and McAdoo. This draft has been real hard to predict what's happening. All I know is Ozzie is planning something that's going to leave us happy, hopefully.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335544735' post='1060561']
I don't think we go after Upshaw. Hers a question, couldn't we trade the first second, move back a few spots, still get a Glenn or wideout, then package the 3rd and early 4th for another second? That would give us 3 second founders in a deep draft and with the trade back still give us mid round value picks. This sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if we went after Fleener and Ronnell Lewis who I think would be a beast off the edge. Pitta and Dickson only have I think one year left before we need to tag em. We have a lot of potential at olb in Kindle, Kruger Chavis Williams and McAdoo. This draft has been real hard to predict what's happening. All I know is Ozzie is planning something that's going to leave us happy, hopefully.
[/quote]i want us to get in touch with philli and NE, they both have 2 seconds, we could give our 2nd and 3rd to philli for their 2 high seconds, or our 2nd and 4th to NE for their lateish 2nds

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1335544958' post='1060566']
i want us to get in touch with philli and NE, they both have 2 seconds, we could give our 2nd and 3rd to philli for their 2 high seconds, or our 2nd and 4th to NE for their lateish 2nds
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Patriots trade with us? As in pigs fly?lol.... NE loves to steal our targeted picks, and move up 1-step ahead of us. They would never trade with us. They'd rather steal our players instead.

2010 -> Rob Gronk/Dez Bryant (moved up to take Dez away from us from Cowboy/pats trade.. Also Moved up to take Gronk away from us
2012-> Hightower (moved up to take Hightower)

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1335545915' post='1060595']
Patriots trade with us? As in pigs fly?lol.... NE loves to steal our targeted picks, and move up 1-step ahead of us. They would never trade with us. They'd rather steal our players instead.

2010 -> Rob Gronk/Dez Bryant (moved up to take Dez away from us from Cowboy/pats trade.. Also Moved up to take Gronk away from us
2012-> Hightower (moved up to take Hightower)
[/quote]yes they took them guys just so we couldnt have them, they had no interest in them

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335544735' post='1060561']
I don't think we go after Upshaw. Hers a question, couldn't we trade the first second, move back a few spots, still get a Glenn or wideout, then package the 3rd and early 4th for another second? That would give us 3 second founders in a deep draft and with the trade back still give us mid round value picks. This sounds crazy, but I wouldn't be surprised if we went after [b]Fleener [/b]and Ronnell Lewis who I think would be a beast off the edge. Pitta and Dickson only have I think one year left before we need to tag em. We have a lot of potential at olb in Kindle, Kruger Chavis Williams and McAdoo. This draft has been real hard to predict what's happening. All I know is Ozzie is planning something that's going to leave us happy, hopefully.
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I think we'd have to move up - I believe the Colts want Fleener.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335547330' post='1060625']


I think we'd have to move up - I believe the Colts want Fleener.
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I think Colts go Upshaw, they don't have any olb for the new 3-4 and Pags is going to want to build that defense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335550989' post='1060714']
I think Colts go Upshaw, they don't have any olb for the new 3-4 and Pags is going to want to build that defense.
[/quote]

Both Mathis and Freeney have publicly addressed switching to OLB in Pagano's system. There's still a chance Freeney gets traded, but they've got the position covered.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1335546827' post='1060613']
yes they took them guys just so we couldnt have them, they had no interest in them
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*facepalm*

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1335551426' post='1060722']


Both Mathis and Freeney have publicly addressed switching to OLB in Pagano's system. There's still a chance Freeney gets traded, but they've got the position covered.
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They're both old and have never played olb. It wouldn't hurt to get another body, especially one who's actually played and excelled in a 3-4.

[da#1ravensfan]

I think this is a very good move because we will get Konz, Upshaw, Hill or Glenn in the second and pick up an extra 4th round pick which is a very high 4th. If we want to trade to move up and get someone we convey!!!

[Yatagarasu]

Let the Janoris Jenkins hype get big.

I think the Ravens will trade that 35th for more picks!

You know Ozzie loves a lot of picks.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335552779' post='1060757']
They're both old and have never played olb. It wouldn't hurt to get another body, especially one who's actually played and excelled in a 3-4.
[/quote]

Shh. We don't want Pagano to use your logic.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335552779' post='1060757']
They're both old and have never played olb. It wouldn't hurt to get another body, especially one who's actually played and excelled in a 3-4.
[/quote]

True. I'd say they need to bolster their offense more than their pass rush though.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1335552111' post='1060738']


*facepalm*
[/quote]your the one that made the stupid comment.

[NeoZer0]

[quote name='tonyg6996' timestamp='1335498523' post='1059716']
How much of a difference is there between the 32nd pick and the 35th pick?
[/quote]

About a Million dollars

[PeRK82]

I'll tell you why we backed out, simply put. The PATS are the new STEALERS, we would have never traded down if Hightower was around. You can Blame Denver for that too. The Pats got all the players they wanted and still have 2 second round picks, its disgusting.

I was yelling profanity at the tv last night after watching the PATS take Tower, we were so close. I thought the STEALERs were going to take him honestly and after they didn't i really did think we had him.

[redrum52]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1335556740' post='1060865']
I'll tell you why we backed out, simply put. The PATS are the new STEALERS, we would have never traded down if Hightower was around. You can Blame Denver for that too. The Pats got all the players they wanted and still have 2 second round picks, its disgusting.

I was yelling profanity at the tv last night after watching the PATS take Tower, we were so close. I thought the STEALERs were going to take him honestly and after they didn't i really did think we had him.
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I knew Steelers were taking DeCastro when he fell. I was hoping we night trade up after he fell that far but I doubt the would've taken our 5th and Ozzie was smart to not use the 3rd. If you look he didn't have many options cause you can't trade the comp 4th. We have room to maneuver with the 4th we got from the Vikes. I could see us trading back again or taking Glenn since we like o line players who can play multiple spots. I'm just hoping Pats or Steelers don't get Jenkins.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1335496411' post='1059513']
I think its because the patriots took Hightower. Anyone think this is why or was this the plan the whole time.
[/quote]

I know exactly why, although i also think it is because they took hightower too, but there must still be over 4 players that we want that we will get and one of them will still be around after the other teams pick. Simple really , but yea, im p.o.ed about what the PATS did and we were so close.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1335557062' post='1060872']
I knew Steelers were taking DeCastro when he fell. I was hoping we night trade up after he fell that far but I doubt the would've taken our 5th and Ozzie was smart to not use the 3rd. If you look he didn't have many options cause you can't trade the comp 4th. We have room to maneuver with the 4th we got from the Vikes. I could see us trading back again or taking Glenn since we like o line players who can play multiple spots. I'm just hoping Pats or Steelers don't get Jenkins.
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Yea i honestly didn't think the Pats were going to move up again to take another player and i don't think Ozzie knew that either. If he did, we might have traded up. But hey, we might still get Upshaw. Still hoping we get Burflict in the 3rd or 4th. But i doubt the 3rd. I do think we will go after him in the 4th if he is still around which is very unlikely. VERY.