Is This The Best Defense In Ravens History?

[H8R]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1335379109' post='1056616']
i think the loss of pagano is a bigger thorn than most here seem to realise. I will just be happy if we are a top 5 defense.
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How do you even know? He was the DC for ONE year...

[Blex64]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335392112' post='1056874']
I'd like to see how we improve through the draft or trade by camp time. Osi would be a nice addition. Still, we will never be better than 2000.
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Were not going to get Osi.

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1335363158' post='1056395']
Name the worst 3 players on that defense and then name the worst 3 on this one. (hard to do since it's April but oh well)
[/quote]

I don't think I can name the worst three on the 2000 defense. Kim Herring, and then who? You can't do it. And it's not even like Herring was a bad player for us, at least from what I've been told. I was not yet old enough to appreciate and remember that defense.

[The Raven]

I will say that this may be up there with one of the Top 5, and [i]maybe[/i] Top 3[u] Ravens [/u]defenses, but I don't know if it will scratch an all time list.

[Greatness]

Until this Ravens defense is anointed with the saying

"If the offense scores, its over."

Then no, nothing will top the 2000 Ravens defense. The most unstoppable force in all of sports defense.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='MKdave' timestamp='1335363950' post='1056404']
In my opinion, we were much, much closer in 2006, when just about every member of the front 7 was a sack machine and on the back end we had C-Mac and Rolle and Reed (who were both pretty healthy at the time). Landry was basically the weak spot of the D and he got a vote for DRoY! I think if that team had won the superbowl 2000 D v 2006 D would be a real debate.
[/quote]

Couldn't agree. That defense was amazing.

While I think the 2012 unit can be even better than last season's, I'd stop well short of speculating on whether they'll outperform the '00 group.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Renediffie' timestamp='1335379109' post='1056616']
i think the loss of pagano is a bigger thorn than most here seem to realise. I will just be happy if we are a top 5 defense.
[/quote]

I disagree. If you're thinking Pees will be another Mattison, just look at the Patriots under Dean Peas vs. the Patriots after Dean Peas. They finished top 10 in the league every year he was there with defensive talent significantly inferior to what we have now. And every year since he left that team has gotten worse defensively.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335397241' post='1056942']
I disagree. If you're thinking Pees will be another Mattison, just look at the Patriots under Dean Peas vs. the Patriots after Dean Peas. They finished top 10 in the league every year he was there with defensive talent significantly inferior to what we have now. And every year since he left that team has gotten worse defensively.
[/quote]

I think that Pees will make a few changes. One thing that we did well last year was cover the pass and put pressure on the QB.

[PurpleReign92]

We have the curse of Trent Dilfer in the land of Johny Unitas and that is why we could never make it back to the big game...
You would think after the owner sells the team and adding some new coaches including the head coach. Trent would back up the boys in Purple and Black, It seems like the curse still lives on

[Free Agent]

I'll be very interested to see how Pees changes the defense. His Patriots defenses were very solid, but Ill be interested to see how aggressive he is, particularly in the pass rush department.

But to answer the question, its impossible to say whether or not this defense will be better than 2012, since we havent seen them in action yet. Regardless, that 2000 defense clicked in the best way. I can't see this 2012 Ravens defense or any other defense playing that well for quite a long time.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1335393506' post='1056894']
I don't think I can name the worst three on the 2000 defense. Kim Herring, and then who? You can't do it. And it's not even like Herring was a bad player for us, at least from what I've been told. I was not yet old enough to appreciate and remember that defense.
[/quote]
A solid, but unspectacular SS. He only played in 1 game in that playoff run, the Super Bowl, if I recall correctly. The rest of that defense was nasty. Boulware, Lewis, Sharper all in their primes? Disgusting.

[Militant X 1]

this is a good defense BUT it hasn't produced a Superbowl like our 2000 boys did. then again, we can't keep "trying" to compare these guys to them or "trying" to hang our hats on that 2000 defense because what they accomplished back then was special and once in a lifetime. and....if the truth be told (which i will tell it) that was nearly 12 years ago now. these "new" Ravens defenders (w/exception of Ray Lewis) have to make their own mark on this game! let's stop chasing ghosts and allow the nu-breed of Ravens defenders to come into their own with our full support!

Go Ravens!

~Mili

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1335393506' post='1056894']


I don't think I can name the worst three on the 2000 defense. Kim Herring, and then who? You can't do it. And it's not even like Herring was a bad player for us, at least from what I've been told. I was not yet old enough to appreciate and remember that defense.
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That was the whole idea

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1335437562' post='1057159']
That was the whole idea
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Exactly!

[wayne]

Like what has been said before, that '06 defense was the closest to the 2000 defense and its a shame that the O laid down on us in the playoffs. Holding Peyton and Co to 5 field goals with the Colts winning the SB that year is testimony to how good that D was.

Anyway, I feel this D will be very, very great if the NT in Cody, OLB opposite Suggs, and ILB in McClain/etc. positions step up. Also, Pees should slide in very well here just as Pagano did.

[RedFire]

2006 defense was sick! That was our yr! Too bad McNair couldn't throw the ball down the field...but he was a good game manager.

[1/28/01]

Ha, no!

[edreedfromtheu]

The best defense in Ravens history is 2006.

2000 won the Super Bowl, and that's great. The best defense doesn't always win. They need an offense that doesn't completely sabotage them.

2006 was so special. Had Ray Lewis still in his prime, Ed Reed in his. A young Sizzle. McAlister and Rolle on the outside. Trevor Pryce came in and had 13 sacks in his first year as a Raven.

Just a shame McNair picked the worst possible time to have the worst game in his career. It was so bad, I actually think he quit instead of really getting injured. Boller came in... and we know the story there.

But keeping Peyton Manning/Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne... in their prime... to only 5 field goals, 4 of which were very long field goals(one needed to bounce off the crossbar to go in). That's special.

2006 defense forever! Still hold the best season record in Ravens history!

[wayne]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1335507407' post='1059967']
The best defense in Ravens history is 2006.

2000 won the Super Bowl, and that's great. The best defense doesn't always win. They need an offense that doesn't completely sabotage them.

2006 was so special. Had Ray Lewis still in his prime, Ed Reed in his. A young Sizzle. McAlister and Rolle on the outside. Trevor Pryce came in and had 13 sacks in his first year as a Raven.

Just a shame McNair picked the worst possible time to have the worst game in his career. It was so bad, I actually think he quit instead of really getting injured. Boller came in... and we know the story there.

But keeping Peyton Manning/Marvin Harrison/Reggie Wayne... in their prime... to only 5 field goals, 4 of which were very long field goals(one needed to bounce off the crossbar to go in). That's special.

2006 defense forever! Still hold the best season record in Ravens history!
[/quote]

Best D was 2000 and it had nothing to do with us winning the SB but everything to do with the O we had and the stat line as far as us winning 5 games without our O scoring a single TD, stuff like that which is amazing. 06 D is definitely one of the best D's ever to me but not better than the 2000 D.

[The Raven]

I look at it like this. The job of the defense is to stop the other team from scoring. The 2000 defense holds the record for fewest points allowed. Greatest defense ever, period.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1335322104' post='1056207']
It won't happen. Never again will a team allow an average of 10 points a game. However, just for kicks, I looked up the proportion of our points allowed to the average of all the teams points scored, to account for the increase in passing offenses; just to see if our defense could still be just as dominant, from a relative standpoint. I will compare the 2000 stats to 2011, as that is the most recent year.

In 2000, we allowed 165 points. The average amount of points scored was 330. So, we allowed 50% of the average points per game of the average score, or 1 point allowed for every 2 scored on average.

In 2011, we allowed 266 points. The average amount of points scored was 355. We allowed 75% of the average amount of points scored. This would be 3 points allowed for every 4 scored on average.

So, even relatively speaking, our 2011 defense isn't even remotely close to as dominant as it was in 2000. No defense will ever be that good again.

I apologize if this was at all confusing or badly worded; I'm tired and can't think of a better way to word it.
[/quote]

Good comparision & agreed. However there's a chance that this years team overall (balance of offense-defense) make us more dangerous.

[ellicottraven]

Possible with Ray and Ed getting at least 10 yrs younger overnight and the rest of them staying the same age. Not possible if along with Ray and Ed, Ngata, Cody, Suggs and Webb got to become 10 yrs younger also since they would only be young teenagers!

[Ravens Beast]

3 DPOY award winners (Suggs, Reed, Lewis), Webb, Smith, Pollard, Ngata, McPhee, McClain, Kruger...not too shabby

I think it's closer than some of y'all think.

[da#1ravensfan]

One of the most talented defenses but not nearly close to the 2000 Ravens defense.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1335553867' post='1060785']
3 DPOY award winners (Suggs, Reed, Lewis), Webb, Smith, Pollard, Ngata, McPhee, McClain, Kruger...not too shabby

I think it's closer than some of y'all think.
[/quote]

Its not. If we allow fewer points then have ever been allowed before, we can start talking about the best defense in history.

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1335562156' post='1061017']
Its not. If we allow fewer points then have ever been allowed before, we can start talking about the best defense in history.
[/quote]

Regardless, it's an opinion based question. So, I don't see how you can say I was wrong. The question is completely speculative. I pick this years defense.

[The Raven]

[quote name='harfordravenfan' timestamp='1335527388' post='1060095']
Good comparision & agreed. However there's a chance that this years team overall (balance of offense-defense) make us more dangerous.
[/quote]

No doubt about it

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravens Beast' timestamp='1335562526' post='1061027']


Regardless, it's an opinion based question. So, I don't see how you can say I was wrong. The question is completely speculative. I pick this years defense.
[/quote]
Speculative until you throw in stats and all...then, well, its 2000 today, tomorrow and on Sunday!

[Ravens Beast]

But they didn't play the same people as this year's team will, so it's still speculative.

[Blex64]

Why do I get the feeling you didn't watch the 2000 season?