Why Does Ray Rice Get A Pass, Flacco Always At Fault

[Suggs Package]

Pretty much I can sum up the playoff argument with a three statements

1.) We play much better teams in the playoffs than we do in the regular season
2.) Those teams game-plan to take away our biggest strength on offense (Ray Rice) and force Flacco to beat them
3.) QBs have a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than RBs.

Also, I'd like to point out that besides 2009, Ray Rice hasn't been a Top 10 RB in terms of pure running plays. He becomes special in the passing game however. But in order to have an impact in the passing game, someone has to pass him the ball. Therefore, Joe Flacco has a lot to do with whether Ray Rice is successful or not.

[CapoRocky]

There is no doubt that the Patriots respect Flacco after the playoff game.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335019416' post='1053748']
There is no doubt that the Patriots respect Flacco after the playoff game.
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The Patriots should have respected him long before that. In the two regular season meetings in 09 and 10, Joe shredded them - a Mark Clayton drop and a 4th quarter comeback by Brady saved them.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='steeler hater' timestamp='1335009487' post='1053689']
What is with you and your fixation on one quote from an agent?
[/quote]

Problem?

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335019952' post='1053751']


The Patriots should have respected him long before that. In the two regular season meetings in 09 and 10, Joe shredded them - a Mark Clayton drop and a 4th quarter comeback by Brady saved them.
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Every other game besides the playoffs in 09, Flacco has been on par or outperformed Brady. Funny thing is, Flaccos worst game was the only one we won.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1335019340' post='1053747']
Pretty much I can sum up the playoff argument with a three statements

[b]1.) We play much better teams in the playoffs than we do in the regular season[/b]
2.) Those teams game-plan to take away our biggest strength on offense (Ray Rice) and force Flacco to beat them
3.) QBs have a bigger impact on the outcome of a game than RBs.

Also, I'd like to point out that besides 2009, Ray Rice hasn't been a Top 10 RB in terms of pure running plays. He becomes special in the passing game however. But in order to have an impact in the passing game, someone has to pass him the ball. Therefore, Joe Flacco has a lot to do with whether Ray Rice is successful or not.
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If only the bolded were true.

Half of our regular season games last year (and again, half this year) were playoff teams.

[CapoRocky]

How many QBs in the NFL improved greatly after 4-5 years of starting? Most of them. I see Flacco finally reaching the 4,000 yard mark and win the confidence of the unbelievers out there.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335036060' post='1053908']
How many QBs in the NFL improved greatly after 4-5 years of starting? Most of them. I see Flacco finally reaching the 4,000 yard mark and win the confidence of the unbelievers out there.
[/quote]what is with you and this 4000 yrd mark. Yes thats only 250 yards a game, but im not interested in that, whatsoever. give me a qb that can lead us to game winning drives when needed, a qb that imroves decision making and cuts down n the stupid turnovers like the ones to ILBs, a quicker release, and putting the ball in a spot more often so we can get YAC, rather than in a position where the defender can make a tackle, better ball security.

In summary, quicker, smarter decisions, better ball secuirty, a bit more accuracy on throws, and keeping up the clutchness he clearly showed last year. Thats what he needs to do to take us over the top and win a SB, provided everyone else improves a little as well, not throw for 4000 yards

[CapoRocky]

Benchmarks are measuring sticks to compare levels of greatness. Just like AC Milan is far better than any English league team. LOL. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/Sports_sport04.gif[/img]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335036727' post='1053921']
Benchmarks are measuring sticks to compare levels of greatness. Just like AC Milan is far better than any English league team. LOL. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/Sports_sport04.gif[/img]
[/quote]not when your comparing NE, GB, Saints, Lions offenses to the Ravens, theyre uncomparbale, stats wise.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335036727' post='1053921']
Benchmarks are measuring sticks to compare levels of greatness. Just like AC Milan is far better than any English league team. LOL. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/Sports_sport04.gif[/img]
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I disagree. Stafford has passed for 5000+ yards in his only healthy season in the NFL. Conversely, Ben Roethlisberger never has, has passed for 4000 yards only in his 6th and 8th years in the league, one of which ended with the Steelers missing the playoffs and the other losing to Tebow. Roethlisberger has thrown 17 TD passes 4 times in his career. Yet I believe he's the 5th best quarterback in the league behind Brady, Manning Rodgers, and Brees with Eli at number 6. Why - because Roethlisberger is a playmaker. When his team NEEDS him to come through, he does. Stafford? I've never seen a guy so bailed out by his receivers as Stafford was in the playoffs this year - and he still lost. Give me the guy who makes winning plays against the best teams vs. the guy who puts up big numbers against the likes of the Chicago Bears defense and the Minnesota Vikings defense any day.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335037325' post='1053931']
I disagree. Stafford has passed for 5000+ yards in his only healthy season in the NFL. Conversely, Ben Roethlisberger never has, has passed for 4000 yards only in his 6th and 8th years in the league, one of which ended with the Steelers missing the playoffs and the other losing to Tebow. Roethlisberger has thrown 17 TD passes 4 times in his career. Yet I believe he's the 5th best quarterback in the league behind Brady, Manning Rodgers, and Brees with Eli at number 6. Why - because Roethlisberger is a playmaker. When his team NEEDS him to come through, he does. Stafford? I've never seen a guy so bailed out by his receivers as Stafford was in the playoffs this year - and he still lost. Give me the guy who makes winning plays against the best teams vs. the guy who puts up big numbers against the likes of the Chicago Bears defense and the Minnesota Vikings defense any day.
[/quote]bingo

[RD52]

Joe Flacco is going to get a ring for this team. Ray Rice too.

But, people cannot be expecting elite QB stats from this team when they are not built to.

You can from the RB position. Because they are built to. But in reality, Ray Rice should get more blame because of that.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1334998141' post='1053677']
I talk bad about flacco just to make people on this site get mad. They should let Tyrod start........
[/quote]
You foiled my game plan..

Just hang the bait out there, they ALWAYS bite. LOL!!!

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1335036505' post='1053915']
what is with you and this 4000 yrd mark. Yes thats only 250 yards a game, but im not interested in that, whatsoever. give me a qb that can lead us to game winning drives when needed, a qb that imroves decision making and cuts down n the [b]stupid turnovers like the ones to ILBs[/b], a quicker release, and putting the ball in a spot more often so we can get YAC, rather than in a position where the defender can make a tackle, better ball security.

In summary, quicker, smarter decisions, better ball secuirty, a bit more accuracy on throws, and keeping up the clutchness he clearly showed last year. Thats what he needs to do to take us over the top and win a SB, provided everyone else improves a little as well, not throw for 4000 yards
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Kind of like the one that happened against NE in the AFCCG, where Joe threw the wrong team.
The defense bailed him out of that pickle

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1335040277' post='1053984']

Kind of like the one that happened against NE in the AFCCG, where Joe threw the wrong team.
The defense bailed him out of that pickle
[/quote]I would actually say tom Brady did with the help of a phenomenal catch. Brady and ne could have killed the game with a scoring drive there but he went for it all. His int was a worse one than Joes imo. But NE won so no one says anything about it

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1335040530' post='1053986']
I would actually say tom Brady did with the help of a phenomenal catch. Brady and ne could have killed the game with a scoring drive there but he went for it all. His int was a worse one than Joes imo. But NE won so no one says anything about it
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I should never have brought up that game, that loss hurt more than any other loss, EVER.
I seriously can't think about it without wanting to break a TV.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1335036727' post='1053921']
Benchmarks are measuring sticks to compare levels of greatness. Just like AC Milan is far better than any English league team. LOL. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/Sports_sport04.gif[/img]
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now AC Milan is my all time fav italian team, but they don't have the most champions league titles, nor have they done something significant lately... and last they played a final, they lost to Liverpool, which fortunate for me I also support
though no better team than 89-90 AC Milan (and my fav player Marco van Basten)

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335037325' post='1053931']


I disagree. Stafford has passed for 5000+ yards in his only healthy season in the NFL. Conversely, Ben Roethlisberger never has, has passed for 4000 yards only in his 6th and 8th years in the league, one of which ended with the Steelers missing the playoffs and the other losing to Tebow. Roethlisberger has thrown 17 TD passes 4 times in his career. Yet I believe he's the 5th best quarterback in the league behind Brady, Manning Rodgers, and Brees with Eli at number 6. Why - because Roethlisberger is a playmaker. When his team NEEDS him to come through, he does. Stafford? I've never seen a guy so bailed out by his receivers as Stafford was in the playoffs this year - and he still lost. Give me the guy who makes winning plays against the best teams vs. the guy who puts up big numbers against the likes of the Chicago Bears defense and the Minnesota Vikings defense any day.
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This times a bazillion

[Suggs Package]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1335035204' post='1053898']
If only the bolded were true.

Half of our regular season games last year (and again, half this year) were playoff teams.
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I hate to break it to you, but we only played six games against playoff teams last regular season. And four of those games were between the Steelers and Bengals. The other two were the 49ers and Texans. Rice did have good games in 4 outta the 6 games he played though.

[RavensButterfly]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1334995527' post='1053676']
This^^^^


Scrock im going to have to go with 21 touchdowns and 21 turnovers as a reason that most people look at Joe Mighty like he is an average QB. Ray Rice gets a pass because he is one of the best backs in the league. One could argue that he carries Joe and this offense. Stacking the box to try to make Flacco beat you has proven to be a very reliable way to beat this team.

If Flacco wants his respect, [b]he is going to have to figure out a way to make them pay on the back end for doing that.[/b]

We all get it though, you love Flacco and you are tired of the bashing of this iconic figure in Ravens history.

Flacco needs to play better. He was average last year. (Ray Rice = Pro-Bowl) Just to answer your thread.
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When we figure out a way to get some recievers who can consistently bring down the ball he'll be making them pay all day long. He's more than capable of making those passes but it's hard to do without a reliable deep threat reciever.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1335044181' post='1054012']
I hate to break it to you, but we only played six games against playoff teams last regular season. And four of those games were between the Steelers and Bengals. The other two were the 49ers and Texans. Rice did have good games in 4 outta the 6 games he played though.
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Oops. "Only" 6. We were 6-0 in those games, and 4 of those games this year are again within our division. The division winner is always going to play 4 playoff teams: the other 3 from his conference and the one from the other conference's division. We just happen to be in the best division in football, so we get 4 MORE playoff teams. This schedule's really not too much new imo. As long as we take care of business when were supposed to, we should go 12-4 or 13-3.

People are really talking about teams like the Eagles like they're intimidating.

[berad]

[quote name='Suggs Package' timestamp='1335044181' post='1054012']
I hate to break it to you, but we only played six games against playoff teams last regular season. And four of those games were between the Steelers and Bengals. The other two were the 49ers and Texans. [b]Rice did have good games in 4 outta the 6 games he played though.[/b]
[/quote]

Flacco played well in all of them, too. Those 6 were actually some of his best games of the year, all against top defenses.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1335057380' post='1054116']
Flacco played well in all of them, too. Those 6 were actually some of his best games of the year, all against top defenses.
[/quote]

Yep. It was teams with losing records i.e. Jacksonville and Tennessee, that he looked clueless against.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1335057443' post='1054117']
Yep. It was teams with losing records i.e. Jacksonville and Tennessee, that he looked clueless against.
[/quote]

Indeed, still with top Ds. Flacco actually had a good, above-average statistical year considering the defenses he was playing against.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='horus13corvineus' timestamp='1335041286' post='1053992']
now AC Milan is my all time fav italian team, but they don't have the most champions league titles, nor have they done something significant lately... and last they played a final, they lost to Liverpool, which fortunate for me I also support
though no better team than 89-90 AC Milan (and my fav player Marco van Basten)
[/quote]

At last a real football fan!

[H8R]

they both suck... : |

[Alexir]

Not a lot of running backs do have success in playoffs, it gets very pass happy for whatever reason.

[CalvinSmoke]

Ray rice struggled in the playoffs... Ricky Williams ran well with limited minutes... at the end of the day, he's our RB. Is he perfect? no, will he be? no. Joe Flacco's game is up and down, occasionally he's going to lose games, is he good? yes. Is he perfect? no, will he ever be? no... end of story.

Raven Nation 4ever!!

[steeler hater]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1335033276' post='1053861']
Problem?
[/quote]Aw, that's intimidating. Watching too many movies.