Why Does Ray Rice Get A Pass, Flacco Always At Fault

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334957114' post='1053426']
Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?
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You have a good attitude about it. I have to say though that apart from Flacco and oher we over rate a lot of the players on our offense. Namely Boldin, who will not be on the team after this season.

[redrum52]

[quote name='BabydollFlacco5' timestamp='1334954404' post='1053392']
I agree. Rice pretty much dissapears in the playoffs - except that one new england game. Rice has done nothing to help us in the playoffs in the last 2 years and he did nothing in his rookie year. When he fumbled the ball in the Ravens vs Pitt playoff game ... thats when the game started to go downhill for us ... But he got a pass because it was his first fumble all year. If he would of contributed some ... it may of been a different game all together. If he could get us some 1st downs, etc .. that would take alot of heat off our passing game. I Love Ray Rice ... But u cant hide the truth .. for whatever reasons .. He has struggled in the playoffs. I do think the Offensive line is a big reason .. Pats D-line was Hot on flacco all night and I dont think there was much that rice or flacco could do to help stop it. Ive been pretty pleased with Joes improvment in the playoffs ... But Rice needs to step it up. We need to secure that O-line and that would help both guys tremendously.
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We could mention the fumble but since Joe gets a pass for playing hurt why not mention Rice was sick as hell that game. Then there is the fact that on 3rd on long instead of just taking the sack or throwing the ball away Flacco dumps off to Rice with a defender right there. The play wasn't going to go anywhere so that wasn't exactly a bright move on his part. Wasn't that also the game where Flacco ran out of bounds instead of taking throwing the ball away?

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334957114' post='1053426']
Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?
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And this, it seems whenever you critique Joe you are piled in with people who hate him. There are never problems when you speak on any other player(except Ray Ray). I've even seen some of the Pro Joe people saying Reed complains too much and shouldn't be brought back but we should roll out the red carpet and bring in the Brinks trucks for Joe. It's crazy.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1334957664' post='1053439']
I wasn't if I was my bad man.

It was more a shot at haters and homers. I read every post on here. I just think sometimes people go overboard on the defense as well as the hate.
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Well I agree. All I was trying to say is that sometimes I feel Rice gets a pass where he shouldn't and Flacco is blamed where he shouldn't be i.e. the playoffs this year.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1334958470' post='1053446']

And this, it seems whenever you critique Joe you are piled in with people who hate him. There are never problems when you speak on any other player(except Ray Ray). [b] I've even seen some of the Pro Joe people saying Reed complains too much and shouldn't be brought back but we should roll out the red carpet and bring in the Brinks trucks for Joe.[/b] It's crazy.
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EVERYONE loves or loved Ed Reed. I will be a lifetime fan of him no matter what happens, but ever since he started opening his mouth about Joe a lot of people are all like, well what could we get if we trade him? or he's getting old we should find his replacement already and ask him to take a paycut... The man is a LEGEND, and this is how fans treat him because he spoke the obvious about Joe?

[raybaby]

WHY are we having these same arguments over and over? Lol jesussss. Aren't you guys tired? As long as Joe's our QB, we will continue to win and be contenders. Period. Let the naysayers hear themselves talk, it's not going to change that.

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1334956673' post='1053422']
You know your setting yourself up to get trolled by flacco Homer one liners right?

He wins that's all that matters
The wrs drop balls
Well random stat that puts him in top 5
Well another random state that compares him to pre passing league NFL qbs
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I'm onboard with you guys, if a CB blows a coverage it's his fault, if Oher has a bad game he stinks, but if Flacco cards one of his patented mediocre efforts it's the OC, the WR, the scheme, the weather, tough defenses, the offensive line, the front office needs to bring in better players or a whole host of other cue'd up excuses. When one of the best backs in the NFL has a mediocre game it's all on Rice by these very same characters.

The issue is the same people that have insisted that he was a franchise quarterback years ago refuse to lay any blame on him. In effect it would be those people admitting they were wrong. (Although Flacco is better than KB) We saw the same thing with Boller, many in the fanbase insisting the light would come on at some point.

[Hardbaugh]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334957114' post='1053426']
Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?
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Excellent post BR, as much as I've criticsized Flacco he's the best quarterback the Ravens have ever had. I hope he improves in the coming years. I really wish he'd be more realistic about his salary demands and speak in cliches rather than utter complete nonsense.

[Romo Ravens]

Discussions on Flacco are going to be banned soon, lol

[Gordo52]

Cant Raven fans just accept we have a great QB and a great RB?

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334948808' post='1053312']
?? you totally lost me
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QB
HB

[PuRock]

Can't we all just get along?!?!?! (it had to be done)

Don't know why we need to be 'blaming' anyone. We all have our own pet peeve favorites and hates. But in the end we are a team. And we go down as a team. Flacco is our QB for the near future and he needs to improve. Rice (should be) our RB for the near future and he needs to step up a bit more in the playoffs.

[CapoRocky]

I think that both will be under the gun until they are signed. Flacco is the target of criticism as the QB. Rice is getting a break from taking the heat for our loses because he isn't on the field on every down. He rarely fumbles and makes game breaking plays. I don't really care that he struggled at times in the playoffs. His body of work speaks for itself.

[Purple Punishment]

No way youre getting negged for this.

Rice was just abysmal in the Playoffs. Ricky was hungry and was showing him up but somehow we just get back to Ray Rice. I know hes our premier back and wants his carries but this is where a real strong coaching staff comes into play. If I was the OC or HC and I know my backup is averaging almost 3 more YPC than my money back. Oh well Ray, have a seat. I mean its not hard to realize who had the hot hand

Also, Flacco was doing his thing in the playoffs, getting the monkey off his back earning his new contract in the AFCCG outplaying Tom Brady. Ray Rice got out ran by Ben Jarvus Green Ellis, and now wants a contract similar to Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. My lasting thought over the offseason of Ray and Joe. Joe did his thing, Ray faded into playoff obscurity.

The larger problem is I hope our coaching staff can see whos playing better and get them on the field...

[The Raven]

I agree entirely. 100% agree.

Now, can we stop with the Joe threads? Please?!

[Militant X 1]

so, it is not enough that our QB already takes tons of unecessary heat from the media but now we are gonna add to that by a random thread about Rice needing to take blame? wow! the draft can't get started quick enough! smh!

~Mili

[AsianRice]

This discussion somehow brings up my memory about Adrian Peterson when Favre was at the helm of the offense; AP fumbles like the machine and Favre got torched up from the passrush cuz the running game was going nowhere. AP did great in the season like Rice but decline in the playoff.

I think they are choking; AP or Rice has the ability to run through any defense in the league but mentally they are somehow not ready when the pressures on. Of course, Rice had 1 good game against NE but that was it. He needs to step up mentally in playoffs.

Good point from OP, btw.......


PS: I feel good we have good QB and RB but I hope they both elevate their games together in playoffs; if that happens consistently, we should at least hold several lombard trophies.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1334985172' post='1053661']
I agree entirely. 100% agree.

Now, can we stop with the Joe threads? Please?!
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Guranteed Scrock will make another one before season starts. He already made 4 just about flacco.

[Greatness]

I've been asking this for two years now. Glad you put it out there, Rock.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334948554' post='1053304']
I hear the Flacco bashing about how he can't handle the pressure of the postseason, he can't get it done, he can't lead his team to a SB....which is BS, his first two years he led us to the AFCCG as a rookie, given it wasn't all his doing our defense that year was pretty good. His 2nd year he struggled but he also only had 1 good leg....but his previous two playoff years he's been the reason we've had an offense and won games.

Ray Rice gets a pass because he's such a good regular season player, he has never performed well in the playoffs EXCEPT for that 1 game in New England in 2009? It's like that one run has given him a pass in people's eyes for whatever reason.

Look at his numbers the past two years in the playoffs, they aren't nothing to write home about. It was so bad against the Chiefs in 2010 that they abandoned the run and put it all on Joe, and Joe carried us to victory eating up the middle of the Chiefs defense basically hitting Heap on every play because our WRs could not get separation.

So I ask you, why does the RB take no blame? If Ray Rice showed up and played well against the Patriots this year we wouldn't have needed any last minute drive or last second FG to win...we would have kept Tom off the field and won easily imo...

So please Ray Rice when you get your new deal please earn that money come playoff time, I love what you do, I love you as a Raven, you're awesome in the regular season but come playoff time? You don't do what's needed to win, Ricky Williams outplayed Rice in the playoffs, look it up...Ricky's AVG per run was better than Rice's...I think they should have made Rice the backup and let Ricky run wild, he was hungry, running hard and he wanted that ring.

I'll probably get a lot of negatives for this but it's true.
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Scrock im going to have to go with 21 touchdowns and 21 turnovers as a reason that most people look at Joe Mighty like he is an average QB. Ray Rice gets a pass because he is one of the best backs in the league. One could argue that he carries Joe and this offense. Stacking the box to try to make Flacco beat you has proven to be a very reliable way to beat this team.

If Flacco wants his respect, he is going to have to figure out a way to make them pay on the back end for doing that.

We all get it though, you love Flacco and you are tired of the bashing of this iconic figure in Ravens history.

Flacco needs to play better. He was average last year. (Ray Rice = Pro-Bowl) Just to answer your thread.

[PurpleDrink]

I talk bad about flacco just to make people on this site get mad. They should let Tyrod start........

[Irish Raven]

Why does our RB get a pass but the QB does not?

It's the nature of the position, all the credit and all the blame.

I was reading a book about Bill Walsh and even the great Joe Montana used to get heaps of criticism from fans all throughout his career.
Playing with rib injuries and fans would still doubt him

[steeler hater]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334955373' post='1053405']
What is it with you and these topics? always talking about these phantom Flacco haters with their pitchforks and torches trying to run him out of town. If Flacco and his agent keep saying he's an "elite" or "top 5 QB" based on wins (implying that win/loss record is a QB stat) then he should hold himself responsible for losses.
[/quote]What is with you and your fixation on one quote from an agent?

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334948554' post='1053304']
I hear the Flacco bashing about how he can't handle the pressure of the postseason, he can't get it done, he can't lead his team to a SB....which is BS, his first two years he led us to the AFCCG as a rookie, given it wasn't all his doing our defense that year was pretty good. His 2nd year he struggled but he also only had 1 good leg....but his previous two playoff years he's been the reason we've had an offense and won games.

Ray Rice gets a pass because he's such a good regular season player, he has never performed well in the playoffs EXCEPT for that 1 game in New England in 2009? It's like that one run has given him a pass in people's eyes for whatever reason.

Look at his numbers the past two years in the playoffs, they aren't nothing to write home about. It was so bad against the Chiefs in 2010 that they abandoned the run and put it all on Joe, and Joe carried us to victory eating up the middle of the Chiefs defense basically hitting Heap on every play because our WRs could not get separation.

So I ask you, why does the RB take no blame? If Ray Rice showed up and played well against the Patriots this year we wouldn't have needed any last minute drive or last second FG to win...we would have kept Tom off the field and won easily imo...

So please Ray Rice when you get your new deal please earn that money come playoff time, I love what you do, I love you as a Raven, you're awesome in the regular season but come playoff time? You don't do what's needed to win, Ricky Williams outplayed Rice in the playoffs, look it up...Ricky's AVG per run was better than Rice's...I think they should have made Rice the backup and let Ricky run wild, he was hungry, running hard and he wanted that ring.

I'll probably get a lot of negatives for this but it's true.
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Fact check?

Flacco was never injured. No idea where you get this hallucination depicting him as some one legged hero

We did not goto two straight afccg. 2008 we lost to colts.


And as for your argument...

Honestly, you know you are in the dumps when you have to put down our star player in negative light order to prove your point.

If you are talking about how Ray did in playoff, why are you not doing to same with Flacco? Flacco post-regular numbers stinks. He did well vs patriots, was awful vs texans.

Ray Rice is unanimously considered a top 5 RB. No delusional fool would question his skillset.(oh wait you are) His numbers say it all, he lead in total yard scrimmage, and have been top 5 RB statiscally since he became a starter. Ray had 14 games(out of 16) where he posted over 100 yards as a RB(2nd most). Contrast to your belief, Ray's numbers in post season is much better than most RB in post season. And the bad attn you are crying about...Ray never outright boasted he was the 'elite' or did he ever say he is the best RB. So obviously no media went after him like they did to flacco?..

Flacco is not considered top 5, or even top 10 in any state outside of MD by football fans,analyst, or media outlet(I know, i travel to texas, atlanta, minnesota every week). Flacco had only 2 games last season with more than 2TDs. He never reached the 4k yards, his completion rate was 56%(3rd worst passing completion as a full starter). So yes, there are i say few things that people are questioning about him, considering this was his 4th year, and many(media/fans) expected much more than what he has done in 2011 season.

Yes, Flacco was absolutely treated unfairly on media. But common sense tells me that if he had a bad season, people are going to say bad thing about him. Did anybody pick on flacco years before? Not that i know of. Flacco feels his been casted in a bad light, and rightfully so, but the ball is really on him to prove it. He made the claims, and Im waiting to see it. And next time, please dont bring anything negative about R.Rice just to prove your flacco homers' claim.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1335013533' post='1053712']

Fact check?

Flacco was never injured. No idea where you get this hallucination depicting him as some one legged hero

We did not goto two straight afccg. 2008 we lost to colts.


And as for your argument...

Honestly, you know you are in the dumps when you have to put down our star player in negative light order to prove your point.

If you are talking about how Ray did in playoff, why are you not doing to same with Flacco? Flacco post-regular numbers stinks. He did well vs patriots, was awful vs texans.

Ray Rice is unanimously considered a top 5 RB. No delusional fool would question his skillset.(oh wait you are) His numbers say it all, he lead in total yard scrimmage, and have been top 5 RB statiscally since he became a starter. Ray had 14 games(out of 16) where he posted over 100 yards as a RB(2nd most). Contrast to your belief, Ray's numbers in post season is much better than most RB in post season. And the bad attn you are crying about...Ray never outright boasted he was the 'elite' or did he ever say he is the best RB. So obviously no media went after him like they did to flacco?..

Flacco is not considered top 5, or even top 10 in any state outside of MD by football fans,analyst, or media outlet(I know, i travel to texas, atlanta, minnesota every week). Flacco had only 2 games last season with more than 2TDs. He never reached the 4k yards, his completion rate was 56%(3rd worst passing completion as a full starter). So yes, there are i say few things that people are questioning about him, considering this was his 4th year, and many(media/fans) expected much more than what he has done in 2011 season.

Yes, Flacco was absolutely treated unfairly on media. But common sense tells me that if he had a bad season, people are going to say bad thing about him. Did anybody pick on flacco years before? Not that i know of. Flacco feels his been casted in a bad light, and rightfully so, but the ball is really on him to prove it. He made the claims, and Im waiting to see it. And next time, please dont bring anything negative about R.Rice just to prove your flacco homers' claim.
[/quote]how is it a negative claim. Ray rice has sucked in post season, fact!. all he is asking is why flacco gets called on it, when no one says anything about rays post season performances

[FerrariFan87]

I think that the perception of Joe has changed since he outplayed Tom Brady in [i]his[/i] house and should have been playing in the Super Bowl... Rice has struggled in the playoffs, and doesn't get a "pass" necessarily, it's just the nature of the beast that the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

Everyone on this team needs to play better. Period.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1335016295' post='1053723']
I think that the perception of Joe has changed since he outplayed Tom Brady in [i]his[/i] house and should have been playing in the Super Bowl... Rice has struggled in the playoffs, and doesn't get a "pass" necessarily, it's just the nature of the beast that the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

Everyone on this team needs to play better. Period.
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Can you close these useless threads? Scrock already made the same crying thread several times. Please merge them together or keep these flame thread locked. Thanks.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1335013533' post='1053712']

Fact check?

Flacco was never injured. No idea where you get this hallucination depicting him as some one legged hero
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Flacco had a massive contusion on his leg. That's a fact. Check.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1335017376' post='1053729']

Flacco had a massive contusion on his leg. That's a fact. Check.
[/quote]the same thing haloti had this year that clearly hampered his play, and people were understanding of his situation.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1334979497' post='1053628']
No way youre getting negged for this.

Rice was just abysmal in the Playoffs. Ricky was hungry and was showing him up but somehow we just get back to Ray Rice. I know hes our premier back and wants his carries but this is where a real strong coaching staff comes into play. If I was the OC or HC and I know my backup is averaging almost 3 more YPC than my money back. Oh well Ray, have a seat. I mean its not hard to realize who had the hot hand

Also, Flacco was doing his thing in the playoffs, getting the monkey off his back earning his new contract in the AFCCG outplaying Tom Brady. Ray Rice got out ran by Ben Jarvus Green Ellis, and now wants a contract similar to Chris Johnson or Arian Foster. My lasting thought over the offseason of Ray and Joe. Joe did his thing, Ray faded into playoff obscurity.

The larger problem is I hope our coaching staff can see whos playing better and get them on the field...
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Rice is way to young to give up on him. The OL has a lot to do with the ineffectiveness of the running game. It all starts up front. Another problem is the vanilla play calling. We need to throw the ball to set up the run. The best runs are when the other team expect a pass. The Patriots were keying on Rice and Wilfork was keying on Flacco. We still should have won that game.

As for Ricky, I just want to add a quote from Tom Petty, "Last chance for Mary Jane, one more chance to kill the pain."

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1335016295' post='1053723']
I think that the perception of Joe has changed since he outplayed Tom Brady in [i]his[/i] house and should have been playing in the Super Bowl... Rice has struggled in the playoffs, and doesn't get a "pass" necessarily, it's just the nature of the beast that the QB gets too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses.

Everyone on this team needs to play better. Period.
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I really think fixing the offensive line, finding long-term solutions on the left side specifically (C, LG, and LT), is going to change how both Rice and Flacco play. Some of this team's worst offensive performances in 2011 came when Grubbs was out. If Reid can be even a good left guard and we manage to find some upgrades at positions in the draft, I think 2012 will be a lot different than 2011.