Why Does Ray Rice Get A Pass, Flacco Always At Fault

[scrock]

I hear the Flacco bashing about how he can't handle the pressure of the postseason, he can't get it done, he can't lead his team to a SB....which is BS, his first two years he led us to the AFCCG as a rookie, given it wasn't all his doing our defense that year was pretty good. His 2nd year he struggled but he also only had 1 good leg....but his previous two playoff years he's been the reason we've had an offense and won games.

Ray Rice gets a pass because he's such a good regular season player, he has never performed well in the playoffs EXCEPT for that 1 game in New England in 2009? It's like that one run has given him a pass in people's eyes for whatever reason.

Look at his numbers the past two years in the playoffs, they aren't nothing to write home about. It was so bad against the Chiefs in 2010 that they abandoned the run and put it all on Joe, and Joe carried us to victory eating up the middle of the Chiefs defense basically hitting Heap on every play because our WRs could not get separation.

So I ask you, why does the RB take no blame? If Ray Rice showed up and played well against the Patriots this year we wouldn't have needed any last minute drive or last second FG to win...we would have kept Tom off the field and won easily imo...

So please Ray Rice when you get your new deal please earn that money come playoff time, I love what you do, I love you as a Raven, you're awesome in the regular season but come playoff time? You don't do what's needed to win, Ricky Williams outplayed Rice in the playoffs, look it up...Ricky's AVG per run was better than Rice's...I think they should have made Rice the backup and let Ricky run wild, he was hungry, running hard and he wanted that ring.

I'll probably get a lot of negatives for this but it's true.

[Crabcakes&Football]

It's because of the Q in front of the B. A Quarterback is gonna take all the spotlight, whether that be criticism or credit. Just the way it is.

[scrock]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1334948703' post='1053309']
It's because of the Q in front of the B.
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?? you totally lost me

[Cville-Raven]

As much as I like Rice I have to agree with this. I all fine with giving the guy his touches, but when you don't do anything with it; well thats a whole nother story. Especially in the Playoffs, he couldn't hit whole to save his life. I was really disappointed with his performance in the Playoffs. Flacco and the receivers carried this offense in the playoffs, not Rice. I remember when we played AZ and I was talking to this guy about how Flacco brought us back. He disagreed and said Ray brought back, which is absolutely laughable when Flacco threw for over 300 yards. I had to argue with this kid that just because Rice got a bunch of goal-line touchdowns does not mean he brought us back into the game.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334948808' post='1053312']
?? you totally lost me
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I believe q in front of b is QB. we lost so the QB is more to blame than the RB. though in this case was the WR3 and K that had the most to say in losing the game... and our best LB not stopping the other team's QB over the top. Just a game of letters now though...

[BMORElegacy]

Flame war engaged.

[scrock]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1334949836' post='1053334']
As much as I like Rice I have to agree with this. I all fine with giving the guy his touches, but when you don't do anything with it; well thats a whole nother story. Especially in the Playoffs, he couldn't hit whole to save his life. I was really disappointed with his performance in the Playoffs. Flacco and the receivers carried this offense in the playoffs, not Rice. I remember when we played AZ and I was talking to this guy about how Flacco brought us back. He disagreed and said Ray brought back, which is absolutely laughable when Flacco threw for over 300 yards. I had to argue with this kid that just because Rice got a bunch of goal-line touchdowns does not mean he brought us back into the game.
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In the Arizone game it wasn't only Flacco, Boldin really went into BEAST mode to help us pull that game out...I do agree with what you said though

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1334950137' post='1053339']
Flame war engaged.
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No, this does not have to be a flame war, dont try posting something to start some garbage..this is just my take on things

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334950737' post='1053341']
No, this does not have to be a flame war, dont try posting something to start some garbage..this is just my take on things
[/quote]
Garbage? All I know is that when Flacco is even mentioned people get heated. Heck, the thread I started about Rice's holdout devolved into a Flacco debate.

I'm a supporter of the guy and I'm glad he's our franchise QB. Nuff said.

[usmccharles]

IMO, its because rice is a top 5 rb easily, more so a top 3rb throughout the hole season. Of course there is games where hes shut down but when hes responsible for 33% of our offense and is considered an elite back, dont expect much blame on him while joe tosses an int or a dropped pass occurs. And sometimes when rice disapears, you have to look at the blocking, the pats front was killing us in that game.

[Ravenseconbeast]

*SMH* another flacco whine thread.

lock thread please.

[Ravenslifer]

This is a bad topic to start. I agree Rice gets a pass way more often than he should, especially if he's talking about being in the same class as Adrian Peterson and Arian Foster, etc. But people see what they want to see, and they get caught up in numbers. It's simple: Rice is a "probowl" running back, while Flacco is not a probowl quarterback, despite the fact that the overall quality of the former and latter have gone down and up in the last decade, respectively. 10 years ago you could talk about Emmitt Smith, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Marcus Allen, Jamal Lewis, etc. How many "Elite" quarterbacks were there - put this in perspective, in 2001 only Kurt Warner and Petyon Manning topped 4000 yards (and Petyon was pretty bad that year) - flashforward to this year, 3 quarterbacks topped 5000 yards with Eli less than 100 yards from joining them. 10 quarterbacks had over 4000 yards, and that's with Petyon and Matt Shaub out. Fitzpatrick was just under it. Flacco had the lowest completion percentage of his career and still topped 3600 yards. He finished 12 in the league in passing yards, in 2001 he would have been 5th or 6th. Like it or not, unless Flacco puts up big numbers, he will never get respect.

[atlravensfan]

This one is easy. Just take the flip side of the coin when homers say flacco "wins" games to say well this is why his horrible stats don't matter. Just the flip side to a dumb arguement. Polar opposites

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1334953520' post='1053380']
This is a bad topic to start. I agree Rice gets a pass way more often than he should, especially if he's talking about being in the same class as Adrian Peterson and Arian Foster, etc. But people see what they want to see, and they get caught up in numbers. It's simple: Rice is a "probowl" running back, while Flacco is not a probowl quarterback, despite the fact that the overall quality of the former and latter have gone down and up in the last decade, respectively. 10 years ago you could talk about Emmitt Smith, Curtis Martin, Jerome Bettis, Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Marcus Allen, Jamal Lewis, etc. How many "Elite" quarterbacks were there - put this in perspective, in 2001 only Kurt Warner and Petyon Manning topped 4000 yards (and Petyon was pretty bad that year) - flashforward to this year, 3 quarterbacks topped 5000 yards with Eli less than 100 yards from joining them. 10 quarterbacks had over 4000 yards, and that's with Petyon and Matt Shaub out. Fitzpatrick was just under it. Flacco had the lowest completion percentage of his career and still topped 3600 yards. He finished 12 in the league in passing yards, in 2001 he would have been 5th or 6th. Like it or not, unless Flacco puts up big numbers, he will never get respect.
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Well why is it that people one these forums only talk eras in football history when it benefits flacco. Not saying you just a fact from reading. When people compare Jim to Troy aikmen and I go well different era I get negged you just said the same thing lol.

But yeah rice gets a pass because no one ever says he wins games all by himself like people ESP on these forums tend to do with flacco. It's so much flacco hate that people tend to over due his defense.

[BabydollFlacco5]

I agree. Rice pretty much dissapears in the playoffs - except that one new england game. Rice has done nothing to help us in the playoffs in the last 2 years and he did nothing in his rookie year. When he fumbled the ball in the Ravens vs Pitt playoff game ... thats when the game started to go downhill for us ... But he got a pass because it was his first fumble all year. If he would of contributed some ... it may of been a different game all together. If he could get us some 1st downs, etc .. that would take alot of heat off our passing game. I Love Ray Rice ... But u cant hide the truth .. for whatever reasons .. He has struggled in the playoffs. I do think the Offensive line is a big reason .. Pats D-line was Hot on flacco all night and I dont think there was much that rice or flacco could do to help stop it. Ive been pretty pleased with Joes improvment in the playoffs ... But Rice needs to step it up. We need to secure that O-line and that would help both guys tremendously.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1334948808' post='1053312']
?? you totally lost me
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I think he just means QB. The QB gets all the blame for the loss, and all the glory for the win.

Also for Baltimore, everyone knows Ray Rice is our offensive star so teams key in on him. So when he doesn't do well its expected because for years, if Ray isn't clicking the whole offense isn't clicking.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='BabydollFlacco5' timestamp='1334954404' post='1053392']
I agree. Rice pretty much dissapears in the playoffs - except that one new england game. Rice has done nothing to help us in the playoffs in the last 2 years and [b]he did nothing in his rookie year[/b]. [b]When he fumbled the ball in the Ravens vs Pitt playoff game ... thats when the game started to go downhill for us ... But he got a pass because it was his first fumble all year. If he would of contributed some ... it may of been a different game all together[/b]. If he could get us some 1st downs, etc .. that would take alot of heat off our passing game. I Love Ray Rice ... But u cant hide the truth .. for whatever reasons .. He has struggled in the playoffs. I do think the Offensive line is a big reason .. Pats D-line was Hot on flacco all night and I dont think there was much that rice or flacco could do to help stop it. Ive been pretty pleased with Joes improvment in the playoffs ... But Rice needs to step it up. We need to secure that O-line and that would help both guys tremendously.
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To be fair, he was only active for two games in the play-offs his rookie year, and he was only received touches (four) in one of them. As for the play-off game last year, while I don't remember him doing much after the fumble, he did run through Polamalu on his way to a TD in the first half.

I agree Rice definitely needs to step up in the post-season, though.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1334955113' post='1053400']

I think he just means QB. The QB gets all the blame for the loss, and all the glory for the win.

Also for Baltimore, everyone knows Ray Rice is our offensive star so teams key in on him. So when he doesn't do well its expected because for years, if Ray isn't clicking the whole offense isn't clicking.
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Pretty much

[BloodRaven]

What is it with you and these topics? always talking about these phantom Flacco haters with their pitchforks and torches trying to run him out of town. If Flacco and his agent keep saying he's an "elite" or "top 5 QB" based on wins (implying that win/loss record is a QB stat) then he should hold himself responsible for losses.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334955373' post='1053405']
What is it with you and these topics? always talking about these phantom Flacco haters with their pitchforks and torches trying to run him out of town. If Flacco and his agent keep saying he's an "elite" or "top 5 QB" based on wins (implying that win/loss record is a QB stat) then he should hold himself responsible for losses.
[/quote]
It's always the same people starting the same threads with the same poster's ending in the same result. Flacco homers unite!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334955373' post='1053405']
What is it with you and these topics? always talking about these phantom Flacco haters with their pitchforks and torches trying to run him out of town. If Flacco and his agent keep saying he's an "elite" or "top 5 QB" based on wins (implying that win/loss record is a QB stat) then he should hold himself responsible for losses.
[/quote]

In truth it doesn't really matter anyway. The guy is going to be our quarterback for the next several years regardless of what anyone says.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334955373' post='1053405']
What is it with you and these topics? always talking about these phantom Flacco haters with their pitchforks and torches trying to run him out of town. If Flacco and his agent keep saying he's an "elite" or "top 5 QB" based on wins (implying that win/loss record is a QB stat) then he should hold himself responsible for losses.
[/quote]

You know your setting yourself up to get trolled by flacco Homer one liners right?

He wins that's all that matters
The wrs drop balls
Well random stat that puts him in top 5
Well another random state that compares him to pre passing league NFL qbs

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1334956673' post='1053422']
You know your setting yourself up to get trolled by flacco Homer one liners right?

He wins that's all that matters
The wrs drop balls
Well random stat that puts him in top 5
Well another random state that compares him to pre passing league NFL qbs
[/quote]
Dont forget Cam Cam and how he's holding Joe back, or how the O-line should give Joe more time

[BloodRaven]

Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1334956775' post='1053423']

Dont forget Cam Cam and how he's holding Joe back, or how the O-line should give Joe more time
[/quote]

Did you see the stealers game? Well what about the jags...well that one doesn't count

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334957114' post='1053426']
Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?
[/quote]

I was just making fun.

Your post was honest and accurate without bias. So I was just saying it was going to get trolled because it was lol

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1334957114' post='1053426']
Well lets not become haters just because we're all grouped and labelled such, I can count on one hand how many people I've seen who wanted Flacco gone and they were both newbies who came in here to troll. Nobody wants Flacco gone, he's a good young QB who should only get better, and he should not be beyond reproach because he's the best we've ever had. Whats wrong with expecting more?
[/quote]

I was just making fun.

Your post was honest and accurate without bias. So I was just saying it was going to get trolled because it was lol

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1334957227' post='1053428']
I was just making fun.

Your post was honest and accurate without bias. So I was just saying it was going to get trolled because it was lol
[/quote]

Im kind of waiting for the backlash, maybe it's not coming?

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1334953825' post='1053385']
Well why is it that people one these forums only talk eras in football history when it benefits flacco. Not saying you just a fact from reading. When people compare Jim to Troy aikmen and I go well different era I get negged you just said the same thing lol.

But yeah rice gets a pass because no one ever says he wins games all by himself like people ESP on these forums tend to do with flacco. It's so much flacco hate that people tend to over due his defense.
[/quote]

Why are you ALWAYS taking shots at me?

[BMOREHAWAII]

Wait for it...wait for it...

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1334957448' post='1053436']


Why are you ALWAYS taking shots at me?
[/quote]

I wasn't if I was my bad man.

It was more a shot at haters and homers. I read every post on here. I just think sometimes people go overboard on the defense as well as the hate.