Ray Rice Potential Holdout

[berad]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1333561852' post='1042111']
Can you post the link b? I can't find it..
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Neither can I, I've been looking but I definitely saw/heard it on ESPN NFL Live

[FerrariFan87]

Yeah, I heard the clip on 105.7 The Fan this morning... while I understand where Rice is coming from, it kinda hurt when he said it, as if leaving Baltimore and the Ravens wouldn't have been a big deal to him as long as he got paid.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1333562122' post='1042116'] In truth, we have no idea what numbers have been exchanged. I suspect we've offered LESS than Arian Foster money or things wouldn't be starting to sound so contentious. [/quote]

Well if that's the case then I think it's a mistake on the FOs part. I'm not paying any runningback 12.5 million, but between 8-9 is the number that seemed logical to me from the beginning. Whatever it is, i hope they hammer it out soon and get both Flacco and Rice locked up long-term before the season begins.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

I heard it too on ESPN. It just goes to show Money>Loyalty.

In a way I understand he's a RB and he just wants to get compensated fairly for taking a beating for us but he should know that he's going to get paid just like every other player that's been tagged has. Should have kept that statement under wraps out of respect for your fan base and your teammates.

[wizard1]

I hope he does hold out-its time somebody stood up to the Front Office. All this madness is hurting the morale of our team which already has to be down because of players who walked in free agency. I don't think the Front Office including Steve Biscotti is "Playing Like a Raven"

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333564747' post='1042171']
I hope he does hold out-its time somebody stood up to the Front Office. All this madness is hurting the morale of our team which already has to be down because of players who walked in free agency. I don't think the Front Office including Steve Biscotti is "Playing Like a Raven"
[/quote]you have to be a troll?

[wizard1]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1333565056' post='1042176']
you have to be a troll?
[/quote] I shouldn't even waste my time responding but I'm curious. Is that how you got your MVP status by calling other people names? or is that what's called "playing like a Raven"?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333564747' post='1042171']
I hope he does hold out-its time somebody stood up to the Front Office. All this madness is hurting the morale of our team which already has to be down because of players who walked in free agency. I don't think the Front Office including Steve Biscotti is "Playing Like a Raven"
[/quote]

What? Are you suggesting Rice should not show up to camp in order to spark a players vs front office war?

I don't blame Rice if he holds out. He's made it clear that he'll stay in shape, just that he won't practice and raise the risk of getting hurt in the offseason.

[wizard1]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1333567249' post='1042239']
What? Are you suggesting Rice should not show up to camp in order to spark a players vs front office war?

I don't blame Rice if he holds out. He's made it clear that he'll stay in shape, just that he won't practice and raise the risk of getting hurt in the offseason.
[/quote]

The FO is creating the us against them mentality. Just do the deal already and pay him what he is worth. It doesn't surprise me though after they let Ben Grubbs walk over 3 mil. sheesh

[cursona pirate]

Just have him sign the paper already!

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333567495' post='1042241']
The FO is creating the us against them mentality. Just do the deal already and pay him what he is worth. It doesn't surprise me though after they let Ben Grubbs walk over 3 mil. sheesh
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Is it equally ridiculous that Grubbs uprooted from the team and city that drafted him over three million?

[rlh445]

[size=4]I dunno why people would feel hurt that Rice made comments alluding to the fact that if the FO hadn't tagged him and have waffled in negotiations, he would have walked.....aren't many of you fond of saying, 'It's a business,'[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? When Grubbs walked for three million extra, everyone said, 'It's a business,'. It's pretty much been the same every year and everyone is always saying that the players have to look out for themselves and not to take it personally because, 'It's a business,'. So what's the difference here[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? Rice wants his money (whatever number that is) and obviously the FO either A) doesn't want to pay it or B ) wants to pay it but hasn't gotten around to it yet. I'm thinking A is the more logical conclusion. So, why haven't the two parties come to agreement[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? Is it because they'd already planned well in advance that they were gonna tag Rice[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? Is it because they weren't expecting him to high ball them (speculation)[/font][/color][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]? Who knows? One thing I do know is that business sucks.[/font][/color][/size]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333567131' post='1042235']
I shouldn't even waste my time responding but I'm curious. Is that how you got your MVP status by calling other people names? or is that what's called "playing like a Raven"?
[/quote]all you do is criticise... everything and everybody, if you want to do that go support the browns or someone, where you will be in your element..

[berad]

[url="http://www.csnbaltimore.com/pages/video?PID=rF_aicHWLmEAHs7xkqWWeKr5bDc1oHH5"]http://www.csnbaltim...qWWeKr5bDc1oHH5[/url]

"If they didn't place the franchise tag on me, I would be on another team right now. That's just what it is."

Listening to it in full, Rice seems to backtrack on that... he reasserts that he wants to be on the Ravens, wants to get a deal done, and that he's grateful for his life as is.

[limomike]

I understand where Ray is coming from he feels that he did an outstanding job last year and he did. I am a true fan I am with them when they win and when they lose. I do have mixed feelings in Ray's last comment the he out played his last contract. Thats like saying the guy's in the military out played their last contract by doing their job and went to a war zone more then most.

I see the idea behind what he said but it was a young mans poor choice of words. "I out played my contract" how do you out play a contract. You are paided very well to play a game and yes you can get hurt and your sport life is over.

Ray Rice is one the most exciting Ravens players. When he touchs the ball anything can happen and does most of the time. He is one of my favorite Ravens but this statement send the wrong message. There are many people who would do anything to be in his place and you need to have a little humility.

We all feel we work above our contracts everyday at work but don't have the option to tell our boss this and get a raise. I fully believe he deserves more money but to state he did more then what he was paid to do is very bold. If the owners felt he performed below his contract do they have the right to ask for money back?

[wizard1]

The Ray Rice fiasco encapsulates what wrong with this team and the FO. The entire staff wants our players to "Play Like a Raven" and when it comes down we end up trying to "PAY Like a Raven." Lets face the facts-we are a frugal team and there are many of them in the NFL.. This Rice situation is a big problem and it is going to wreak havoc on the morale of this team. If a player like Ray Rice who plays his heart out every down can't get a paycheck he deserves then who is safe? If we are not careful we will lose Rice and Webb and several other core players that are within that bubble. This is ludicrous-but lets not forget we really hurried up and kept Cam Cameron at least we got that going for us.

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333582063' post='1042463']
The Ray Rice fiasco encapsulates what wrong with this team and the FO. The entire staff wants our players to "Play Like a Raven" and when it comes down we end up trying to "PAY Like a Raven." Lets face the facts-we are a frugal team and there are many of them in the NFL.. This Rice situation is a big problem and it is going to wreak havoc on the morale of this team. If a player like Ray Rice who plays his heart out every down can't get a paycheck he deserves then who is safe? If we are not careful we will lose Rice and Webb and several other core players that are within that bubble. This is ludicrous-but lets not forget we really hurried up and kept Cam Cameron at least we got that going for us.
[/quote]

Fiasco? Little melodramatic tonight... A player is unhappy about the franchise tag, happens every season. He'll get over it and the Ravens will sign him to a deal.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333582063' post='1042463']
The Ray Rice fiasco encapsulates what wrong with this team and the FO. The entire staff wants our players to "Play Like a Raven" and when it comes down we end up trying to "PAY Like a Raven." Lets face the facts-we are a frugal team and there are many of them in the NFL.. This Rice situation is a big problem and it is going to wreak havoc on the morale of this team. If a player like Ray Rice who plays his heart out every down can't get a paycheck he deserves then who is safe? If we are not careful we will lose Rice and Webb and several other core players that are within that bubble. This is ludicrous-but lets not forget we really hurried up and kept Cam Cameron at least we got that going for us.
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apparently you haven't watched others contracts recently. Forte still doesn't have his done, neither does Brees, and neither does Mike Wallace, and a lot of others. if it were so simple, free agency would be only last a week. you won't have anyone on your side saying our team and FO sucks. we have the best team and FO in the league and i couldn't be happier how they're operating. look around at other teams for a change (especially a team pretty close to the ravens who has too many problems to count - AKA the orioles). we could be a team that lets all our talent go but when was the last time outside grubbs where we really pushed to keep a player in the org and wasn't successful......

[wizard1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1333582989' post='1042473']
Fiasco? Little melodramatic tonight... A player is unhappy about the franchise tag, happens every season. He'll get over it and the Ravens will sign him to a deal.
[/quote]
That would be worth a substantial wager Berad-I we can pay off with community service. I don't think we will sign Rice this year and he will play out his franchise tag and end up somewhere else. I volunteer at the Salvation Army every Thanksgiving. If hes not signed by Nov. 15th you have to pitch in 4 hours serving meals to the homeless. If I lose I will do 8.

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333583427' post='1042481']
That would be worth a substantial wager Berad-I we can pay off with community service. I don't think we will sign Rice this year and he will play out his franchise tag and end up somewhere else. I volunteer at the Salvation Army every Thanksgiving. If hes not signed by Nov. 15th you have to pitch in 4 hours serving meals to the homeless. If I lose I will do 8.
[/quote]

Wasn't making a wager but the Ravens have reiterated it a number of times, I believe them. I volunteer for SOMD and I'll still do it regardless.

[wizard1]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1333583082' post='1042477']
apparently you haven't watched others contracts recently. Forte still doesn't have his done, neither does Brees, and neither does Mike Wallace, and a lot of others. if it were so simple, free agency would be only last a week. you won't have anyone on your side saying our team and FO sucks. we have the best team and FO in the league and i couldn't be happier how they're operating. look around at other teams for a change (especially a team pretty close to the ravens who has too many problems to count - AKA the orioles). we could be a team that lets all our talent go but when was the last time outside grubbs where we really pushed to keep a player in the org and wasn't successful......
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Ray Rice is not a free agent. He has the dreaded franchise tag and this is not the Baltimore Oriole organization thankfully things havent fallen that far.. Do you remember Bart Scott?

[JohnJohnson]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333583876' post='1042488']
Ray Rice is not a free agent. He has the dreaded franchise tag and this is not the Baltimore Oriole organization thankfully things havent fallen that far.. Do you remember Bart Scott?
[/quote]

I remember us wisely letting Bart Scott go and not overpaying for him...and we probably would have paid Grubbs the extra few million, but all things being equal it seemed like he wanted to go to the Saints. Players want their money and want to live where they are most comfortable, most of them aren't interested in taking less for the privilege of being a Raven (certain fans seem to think that they should). And when you draft well, you will inevitably lose players to other teams. And the fact that we have a well rounded defense tends to make individual Ravens players look better than they are, which is why so many of our former defensive players get overpaid.

[redrum52]

In response to what he said, he meant he would've been picked up by a team if he hit the FA market. He's very right that he's outperformed his contract and has remained quiet while still putting up numbers. Now, he's a running back who's carried a huge workloads and I wouldn't be mad if we had him play out his tag while trying to draft another back now. We have choices to make with key players contracts expiring. I say we leto Joe take control and if we build the line properly the run game will follow as long as we have a competent back. Not to knock Rice cause he's obviously a top 5 back to me at least but he has had drops in production come playoff time. Maybe they focus on Rice more could be why Flacco numbers have gone up but I've seen the line then subsequently Flacco get destroyed. To me, the team should focus on the qb for the fact he lasts longer and touches the ball almost every offensive snap. Flacco is now a vet and should be treated as so. Let him run the offense. Plus, he's the best qb in the game....

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not too offended by Rice's comments because it's true. I mean, if I am working at Company X and my contract is up and I am waiting on a raise and they didn't do anything to secure my services and Company Y offered me a position at their company for a very lucrative contract I would take it. If I was at Company X and they offered me a pretty good contract, I loved the people the the organization, I knew they were a good company but at the same time I was being offered a significant more amount of money I would weigh my options and go with the company that has the best long-term benefits (in this case, guaranteed money). Yeah, it's all about the money because at the end of the day they get to play football, which is what they love to do. They can play football anywhere. Rice doesn't need to wear our uniform. I'm sure the Ravens weren't his favorite team before he became one. We need to be real, here. I mean, I know damn well if I came out of college right now and was about to enter the draft I wouldn't care what team signed me and I love the Baltimore Ravens.

As for Rice's contract and him wanting AP money that's reportedly not true. I read on BaltimoreRavens.com that he wasn't demanding AP money. It was a couple of days ago, either yesterday or the day before.

I would be upset, however, if Rice left us for a difference of $3million over the course of his contract like Ben Grubbs did.

[K-Dog]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1333582063' post='1042463']
The Ray Rice fiasco encapsulates what wrong with this team and the FO. The entire staff wants our players to "Play Like a Raven" and when it comes down we end up trying to "PAY Like a Raven." [b]Lets face the facts-we are a frugal team[/b] and there are many of them in the NFL.. This Rice situation is a big problem and it is going to wreak havoc on the morale of this team. If a player like Ray Rice who plays his heart out every down can't get a paycheck he deserves then who is safe? If we are not careful we will lose Rice and Webb and several other core players that are within that bubble. This is ludicrous-but lets not forget we really hurried up and kept Cam Cameron at least we got that going for us.
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I am not sure how you can say a team with a mere 1.7 m. left in the bank is frugal.

I think I read today we have the second or third smallest cap space left.

[CapoRocky]

He won't be the first RB in history to hold out. Let him hold out and Allen will get more game experience in the preseason. That's a better reason to draft a decent receiver like Hill in the first round. With 3 WR sets, we don't need a RB in there all the time.

[Kwothdaraven]

If im the ravens id try to get a 1st round pick for him and pickup a back in the draft. Rbs are a dime a dozen and arent worth the money AP gets.

[D_UP]

Get your money ray. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he holds out for the long term deal. He is one knee injury from career being over. Get all you can while you can.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1333587047' post='1042524']
I am not sure how you can say a team with a mere 1.7 m. left in the bank is frugal.

I think I read today we have the second or third smallest cap space left.
[/quote] I don't think he's heard of this thing called a salary cap.

And contrary to our ill-informed friend, we're not 'frugal.' Besides, frugal isn't a dirty word. It doesn't mean you're cheap with money but SMART with money. We just have more talent than most teams and can't afford to keep everybody. I'm sure if Oz had a blank check every year (i.e. NO CAP) we'd keep practically every player we draft. But that's what the cap is for. It promotes fairness. If teams in bigger markets were able to just buy and buy and buy this league would stoop the level of baseball where there would be teams perpetually in the playoffs and teams that were perpetually producing sub-.500 records year in and year out. The Ravens spend all the money they can. They're just smart in how they distribute it throughout the roster. Nobody gets overpaid and you'll never hear of a Haynesworth deal coming out of the Castle. It's been said before but we're a victim of our own success.

[codizzle]

I think we need to start a comedy thread and just let wizard copy and paste his posts over there..

I'd be satisfied for days