Ray Rice Potential Holdout

[BMORElegacy]

Read it and weep boys: http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1173970&nid=6160236&fhn=1

I figured this could be a go to thread for all things related to Rice's contract talks, holdout news, and the pursuit of possible replacements until his new contract is inked and we can put all this behind us.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Salary cap: 1.7mill left atm.

[K-Dog]

not in his character.

Not saying it wont happen mind you. I would be hugly disapointed if it did.

I dont like agents some times...

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1333498220' post='1041473']
not in his character.

Not saying it wont happen mind you. I would be hugly disapointed if it did.

I dont like agents some times...
[/quote] While it's not in his character this is still a business. I don't blame him for looking out for number one by holding out, but it is still disheartening....

[Jillester]

Never forget that it's [b]ALL[/b] about the money no matter what they say!

[Alexir]

Let him sit out, I dont care. We will give more carries to our other backs (Allen and Berry). If he want's CJ2K money, tell him to tear up the tag and walk.

But let's be real, we went through this with Haloti and Suggs. Why would it be different for Rice? Everyone just wants to get paid, I don't go to my job without getting a paycheck, so why should they work without a deal especially if he gets injured in practice and loses millions.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1333500970' post='1041527']
Let him sit out, I dont care. We will give more carries to our other backs (Allen and Berry). If he want's CJ2K money, tell him to tear up the tag and walk.

But let's be real, we went through this with Haloti and Suggs. Why would it be different for Rice? Everyone just wants to get paid, I don't go to my job without getting a paycheck, so why should they work without a deal especially if he gets injured in practice and loses millions.
[/quote] That's the thing. It was shocking to hear he wanted CJ/AP money. The only reason those guys got the money they did was because they were the only players of value on their respective teams. For Rice to even come out and say that's the type of deal he wants is unrealistic considering the group of players around him that he calls his teammates. If they Ravens were stupid enough to give him that type of money we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot and tying our hands behind our backs when it comes to affording other talent at other positions. Rice isn't worth 3-4 quality starters just so he can get the obscene deal his agent is clamoring for.

[Medications]

I'm pretty sure none of these rumors or talk of holding out or how much money he's asking etc etc are coming from Rice at all. It's all just standard posturing and agent talk and business as usual.

I do think RB's are different from other positions when it comes to negotiating contracts and holding out though, if any position warrants holding out for a deal it is the RB since the RB career has such a short lifespan and they get beat up they way they do.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1333501814' post='1041539']
That's the thing. It was shocking to hear he wanted CJ/AP money. The only reason those guys got the money they did was because they were the only players of value on their respective teams. For Rice to even come out and say that's the type of deal he wants is unrealistic considering the group of players around him that he calls his teammates. If they Ravens were stupid enough to give him that type of money we'd be shooting ourselves in the foot and tying our hands behind our backs when it comes to affording other talent at other positions. Rice isn't worth 3-4 quality starters just so he can get the obscene deal his agent is clamoring for.
[/quote]

Thankfully, they're not dumb enough for that

[quote name='Medications' timestamp='1333502359' post='1041543']
I'm pretty sure none of these rumors or talk of holding out or how much money he's asking etc etc are coming from Rice at all. It's all just standard posturing and agent talk and business as usual.

I do think RB's are different from other positions when it comes to negotiating contracts and holding out though, if any position warrants holding out for a deal it is the RB since the RB career has such a short lifespan and they get beat up they way they do.
[/quote]

Even the article quoted doesn't say Rice is planning to hold out. He actually says the opposite. He's planning on being there, looking forward to it, thinks a deal will get done, but its a strategy his agent may consider down the line.

[GrimCoconut]

I just hope it doesn't come to a hold-out. Just get a deal done a little higher than Foster's and be done with this circus so we can move on to Flacco & Webb.

I'd like to restructure Ed Reed's deal over 3 more years. I personally don't think he's done & I want to keep him around a little longer.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1333503733' post='1041579']
I just hope it doesn't come to a hold-out. Just get a deal done a little higher than Foster's and be done with this circus so we can move on to Flacco & Webb, and Oher, and Mckinnie.
I'd like to restructure Ed Reed's deal over 3 more years. I personally don't think he's done & I want to keep him around a little longer.
[/quote]
Edit Sorry, needed to do something. Rice deserves this, but we need to restructure more than Rice

[berad]

According to Wilson's article, Rice is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I'll take Ray's [public] word, in the meantime, but I won't have any sympathy for him if he holdouts. It doesn't do any good. Sign the tender and force the Ravens to sign you long-term with your play.

[Clutch Ravens]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1333503733' post='1041579']
I just hope it doesn't come to a hold-out. Just get a deal done a[b] little higher than Foster's[/b] and be done with this circus so we can move on to Flacco & Webb.

I'd like to restructure Ed Reed's deal over 3 more years. I personally don't think he's done & I want to keep him around a little longer.
[/quote]

Why? Foster's the better pure runner, while Rice is the better receiver (arguably). He should expect a contract VERY similar to that of Foster.

[cursona pirate]

This is gonna be like a Old Texas duel...Wild West baby Wild West!

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1333504204' post='1041589']
Why? Foster's the better pure runner, while Rice is the better receiver (arguably). He should expect a contract VERY similar to that of Foster.
[/quote]
I said a little higher than Foster's. I'm not talking a lot higher, but I have to be honest: Rice is better than Foster. I'm not sure I agree with you regarding that Foster is the better pure runner. I mean, Rice has some nice runs. Rice just struggles when it comes to power-running. That's where he gets taken out of the game. I'd also say Foster is a better pass-protector. I have never been very impressed by Rice's ability (or lackthereof) to pass-protect. Perhaps it's due to his size.

Anyway, Rice will get a deal higher than Foster's, though I don't think it should be significantly higher.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1333503733' post='1041579']
I just hope it doesn't come to a hold-out. Just get a deal done a little higher than Foster's and be done with this circus so we can move on to Flacco & Webb.

I'd like to restructure Ed Reed's deal over 3 more years. I personally don't think he's done & I want to keep him around a little longer.
[/quote]Restructre Ed's deal? This is the last year of his deal. There isn't anything to restructure. But I agree with you. He has 4-5 more years left in the tank and I want us to resign him. Free safetys have the potential of having some of the longest life spans of any position on the field (i.e. Darren Sharper who was still extremely productive and productive in his last years with the Saints).

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1333506269' post='1041635']
Restructre Ed's deal? This is the last year of his deal. There isn't anything to restructure. But I agree with you. He has 4-5 more years left in the tank and I want us to resign him. Free safetys have the potential of having some of the longest life spans of any position on the field (i.e. Darren Sharper who was still extremely productive and productive in his last years with the Saints).
[/quote]
Why couldn't they spread his 7M paycheck over another 3 year contract? Give him 3 this year.

[redrum52]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1333503953' post='1041583']
According to Wilson's article, Rice is speaking out of both sides of his mouth. I'll take Ray's [public] word, in the meantime, but I won't have any sympathy for him if he holdouts. It doesn't do any good. Sign the tender and force the Ravens to sign you long-term with your play.
[/quote]

I think Rice deserves his money but don't think the Ravens will do it if he plays out this year under the tag. He's had a huge workload since college and its just a matter of time before he starts to slow down. I can't be mad wr him since he has definitely outperformed his contract while being paid peanuts. This is his time to cash in and you can't be upset when someone who has the shortest carter span holds out to try and secure their and their families future. From a business stand point I wouldn't be mad if we franchised him twice and let him go, though I also understand why he would be ticked if something isn't done before the start of the season or camp.

[berad]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1333508001' post='1041658']
I think Rice deserves his money but don't think the Ravens will do it if he plays out this year under the tag. He's had a huge workload since college and its just a matter of time before he starts to slow down. I can't be mad wr him since he has definitely outperformed his contract while being paid peanuts. This is his time to cash in and you can't be upset when someone who has the shortest carter span holds out to try and secure their and their families future. From a business stand point I wouldn't be mad if we franchised him twice and let him go, though I also understand why he would be ticked if something isn't done before the start of the season or camp.
[/quote]

Of course but it's not like the franchise tag is for nothing - it's like $7.5M+, right? I know players hate it because it's not a long term deal but that money for a year isn't harsh at all. That goes on top of the many off-field things he's doing which, assuming he's not doing that for free either, is substantial.

The way I see it, he HAS a one year deal - the tag. He'll have to honor it at some point, assuming they don't get a deal done.

Edit - again, I'll take Ray at his word that he's begrudgingly okay with it

[Gordo52]

I see Joe holding out before Ray.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1333509222' post='1041670']
Of course but it's not like the franchise tag is for nothing - it's like $7.5M+, right? I know players hate it because it's not a long term deal but that money for a year isn't harsh at all. That goes on top of the many off-field things he's doing which, assuming he's not doing that for free either, is substantial.

The way I see it, he HAS a one year deal - the tag. He'll have to honor it at some point, assuming they don't get a deal done.

Edit - again, I'll take Ray at his word that he's begrudgingly okay with it
[/quote] Exactly. Ray is the face of M&T Bank. I doubt that's charity work.

[BloodRaven]

Theres nothing he can do other than playing that will help his situation.

[FerrariFan87]

I was taken aback when Rice said that without the Franchise Tag he would've signed with another team... really? He wouldn't have given us a chance to re-sign him? Hopefully the Ravens can just get his deal done already to open up some cap space and keep him in the fold for the foreseeable future.

[berad]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1333559766' post='1042054']
[b]I was taken aback when Rice said that without the Franchise Tag he would've signed with another team[/b]... really? He wouldn't have given us a chance to re-sign him? Hopefully the Ravens can just get his deal done already to open up some cap space and keep him in the fold for the foreseeable future.
[/quote]

Dang, where did he say that?

edit - nvm saw it on ESPN

What a snake... Money reigns supreme.

[ravensgirl20]

Just read that remark on a fb group I belong to and HAD to head here. I thought for sure someone got it all wrong. I have backed Rice and felt like I understood his hurt over the tag and wanting to secure his future and to get paid. However, to say that...not going to lie, it hurt. I feel like his holding back is part of the reason we have Webb blowing in the wind right now. At least Webb wants to be here. Maybe I'll feel differently when I've had time to let this sink in, but for not it has hit hard.

[Moderator 3]

I suspect he means that without the tag another team would have made him an offer by now. In truth, probably several other teams would have made him lucrative offers. He's young and looking for his first big payday. I wouldn't blame him for snatching up a long-term offer somewhere else if that's what he had to do to get one. He wants a long-term contract (with a nice chuck of guaranteed money) and I feel that he's earned it.

[ravensgirl20]

That explanation makes much more sense and I would have to agree with you. We all know without the tag, more then a few teams would be throwing money at him. Ravens knew it too and that is why he has the tag. I just pray they can get a deal done soon so this is behind us.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Moderator 3' timestamp='1333561372' post='1042102']
I suspect he means that without the tag another team would have made him an offer by now. In truth, probably several other teams would have made him lucrative offers. He's young and looking for his first big payday. I wouldn't blame him for snatching up a long-term offer somewhere else if that's what he had to do to get one. He wants a long-term contract (with a nice chuck of guaranteed money) and I feel that he's earned it.
[/quote]

True, but from what I understand, we've offered him Arian Foster money, and he doesn't want it. He wants Adrian Peterson money and at this point seems unwilling to budge. Now I love Rice, but Adrian Peterson is not worth Adrian Peterson's contract, and Rice is not Adrian Peterson.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1333560060' post='1042064']


Dang, where did he say that?

edit - nvm saw it on ESPN

What a snake... Money reigns supreme.
[/quote]

Can you post the link b? I can't find it..

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1333561653' post='1042110']
True, but from what I understand, we've offered him Arian Foster money, and he doesn't want it. He wants Adrian Peterson money and at this point seems unwilling to budge. Now I love Rice, but Adrian Peterson is not worth Adrian Peterson's contract, and Rice is not Adrian Peterson.
[/quote]

In truth, we have no idea what numbers have been exchanged. I suspect we've offered LESS than Arian Foster money or things wouldn't be starting to sound so contentious.