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2008 Draft Do-Over Sends Flacco, Rice To …

With the No. 5 pick in 2008 draft, the Kansas City Chiefs select Joe Flacco, quarterback, Delaware.

And with the No. 10 pick, the New England Patriots select Ray Rice, running back, Rutgers.

With the benefit of hindsight, that’s how NFL.com’s Elliot Harrison believes the 2008 draft should have gone down.

Fortunately General Manager Ozzie Newsome didn’t need a draft “do-over” to nab the future foundation of his offense. Four years later, Flacco and Rice never would have made it close to the Ravens’ Nos. 18 and 55 picks, jumping up 13 and a whopping 45 spots, respectively.

The Chiefs’ actual choice with the fifth-overall pick in 2008 was Louisiana State defensive end Glenn Dorsey.

But knowing now that the team has struggled at quarterback all these years since and Flacco has notched more wins in his first four seasons (49) than any other quarterback in NFL history, Harrison sees what could have been for the Chiefs:

“Kansas City drafts Flacco here, and they don’t have to sign the inconsistent and injured-too-often Matt Cassel to a six-year, $63 million dollar deal,” wrote Harrison. “They also don’t lose to Flacco in the 2010 wild-card game. Quarterback has been an issue for this franchise since Trent Green went down to concussions. Flacco’s presence provides some stability.”

Meanwhile, the Patriots’ actual choice with the 10th-overall pick was Tennessee linebacker Jerod Mayo.

Tom Brady and his one-dimensional offense sure could have used Rice to bring a balanced attack to New England and keep defenders honest. Rice led the NFL last season in total yards from scrimmage (2,068). The Pats have twice been Super Bowl losers since he was drafted.

“If there was one thing the Patriots needed after their Super Bowl season of 2007, it was a lead back,” wrote Harrison. “The Giants pass rush barely had to pause on their way to Tom Brady in Super Bowl XLII. Rice’s addition changes that, giving the Pats a certifiable force in both the ground and air game. Rice (2,068 total yards) outgained all of New England’s backs combined (1,936) in 2011.”

Below are the first 10 picks in Harrison’s 2008 draft do-over. (You can also checkout this NFL Network video with Bucky Brooks’ 2008 draft do-over. He doesn’t even have Flacco in the top 10, which is surprising after knowing his accomplishments four years later.)

1. Miami Dolphins
Actual pick: Jake Long
Do-over pick: Jake Long

2. St. Louis Rams
Actual pick: Chris Long
Do-over pick: Jordy Nelson

3. Atlanta Falcons
Actual pick: Matt Ryan
Do-over pick: Matt Ryan

4. Oakland Raiders
Actual pick: Darren McFadden
Do-over pick: Jerod Mayo

5. Kansas City Chiefs
Actual pick: Glenn Dorsey
Do-over pick: Joe Flacco

6. New York Jets
Actual pick: Vernon Gholston
Do-over pick: Chris Long

7. New Orleans Saints
Actual pick: Sedrick Ellis
Do-over pick: Brandon Flowers

8. Jacksonville Jaguars
Actual pick: Derrick Harvey
Do-over pick: Cliff Avril

9. Cincinnati Bengals
Actual pick: Keith Rivers
Do-over pick: Chris Johnson

10. New England Patriots
Actual pick: Jerod Mayo
Do-over pick: Ray Rice

Ravens’ Rating Of Draft Bust Russell

Good thing the Ravens were searching for their franchise quarterback in 2008 and not 2007.

In 2007, they were coming off a 13-3 season, led by quarterback Steve McNair, and owned the 29th selection, long before one of the biggest draft busts of all time was selected by the Oakland Raiders with the first-overall pick.

Brian Billick recently said he had never seen the Ravens give a higher draft grade to a prospect in his nine years as the head coach than the one they gave quarterback JaMarcus Russell.

“We did a pretty decent job, and obviously they continue to do a phenomenal job in Baltimore, with Ozzie Newsome and his group,” Billick said on ESPN radio. “JaMarcus Russell was the highest-rated player I’ve ever seen on any of our boards.

“So we all missed on JaMarcus Russell. Make no mistake.”

The Raiders signed the rookie to a reported six-year, $61 million deal, but he only survived three NFL seasons. From 2007 to 2009, Russell threw for 18 touchdowns and 23 interceptions, notching a career passer rating of 65.2.  

Russell developed a reputation for being lazy, which may have been linked to sleep apnea, and was often times criticized for letting his weight balloon. He was arrested in July 2010 for possession of codeine.

Would the Ravens have actually taken Russell if they had the chance?

“The reality is the Ravens knew they weren’t going to draft Russell: Baltimore went 13-3 the year before and had the 29th pick in the draft, and they were gearing up for another playoff run with quarterback Steve McNair while still hoping McNair’s young backup, Kyle Boller, would develop into a quality NFL starter some day,” wrote PFT.com’s Michael David Smith.

“The Ravens probably gave that high grade to Russell without digging too deep because they knew he wouldn’t be coming to Baltimore.”

In the end, Baltimore drafted three Pro Bowlers: guards Ben Grubbs (first round) and Marshal Yanda (third round) and fullback Le’Ron McClain (fourth round).

2012 Ravens Draft Scenarios

When you’re picking at the bottom of the first round, you have to be ready for anything.

Outside of a trade, the Ravens have no control over what will happen with the 28 picks ahead of them.

So instead of making one prediction for the 29th pick, ESPN’s Todd McShay forecasts five different moves the Ravens could make based on five different scenarios.

His first thought about what Newsome and Co. will do? Trade.

McShay’s five Ravens scenarios:

Scenario 1: The Ravens would likely prefer to trade up or back to get better value. In this class moving back five or six spots and adding an extra pick is the better option because the board is thin at their need positions at this point and the Ravens have not historically been a team that reaches for players.

Scenario 2: [Notre Dame safety Harrison] Smith has the skill to contribute right away, and he would provide a backup plan in the event Ed Reed’s durability issues surface again.

Scenario 3: Guard is a need area, and Wisconsin’s Kevin Zeitler fits the Ravens’ tough attitude. Northwestern State’s Amini Silatolu is a more talented player, but there are questions about his ability to absorb an NFL system and play immediately.

Scenario 4: Add help at linebacker. There is no inside linebacker worth this pick, but [Boise State defensive end Shea] McClellin is the kind of versatile front-seven defender Baltimore can’t get enough of.

Scenario 5: Left tackle is also a need, and [Ohio State tackle Mike] Adams has the tools to come off the board in this range, but he might not have the grind-it-out-mentality the Ravens look for.

Quick Hits

  • Reading about the Mike Wallace drama makes the Ravens’ signing of restricted free agent Lardarius Webb feel even more valuable … “It isn’t by coincidence that the news was leaked that Wallace doesn’t plan to sign his restricted free agent tender by the April 20 deadline only weeks before the draft, it is strategy,” writes Mark Kaboly. The Pittsburgh journalist says that while teams aren’t willing to pay the price of a first-round tender for Wallace, there are a “handful” of teams that are willing to make a trade leading up to the draft. [The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review] 
  • Joe Vitt, former Towson University linebacker and Baltimore Colts strength coach, has officially been named the New Orleans Saints interim head coach as Sean Payton serves his suspension for his role in the “Bountygate” scandal. [NewOrleansSaints.com]
  • Signs point to an April 17 release of the full NFL schedule. Check out Ryan and Garrett’s mock schedule. [Profootballtalk.com/BaltimoreRavens.com]
  • ProFootballTalk: Bryant McKinnie owes $4.3 million after taking out lockout loan [Twitter]
  • The pass-happy era in the NFL is hitting running backs, including Rice, and linebackers where it hurts. [NFL.com]
  • Oregon State defensive back Brandon Hardin, regarded as a rising draft prospect, visited the Ravens and five other teams. He will visit a total of 15. [scout.com]


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I still don`t understand how Matt Ryan can be ahead of Flacco! I mean really what has this guy done besides making the playoffs once in 4 years, and losing in the first round... not to mention having all the right players to make one of the best offensive teams in the NFL, and still he has a worst record then Flacco. If Joe was ever with the Falcons, they would have not only made the playoffs, but might win it all. Flacco is 100 times better then Ryan. It frustrates me that the media still thinks this!!!
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I rarely watch other teams play i saw ryan in the playoffs he was horrific and that is putting it mildly .I think plain and simple the media does not like Joe flacco and they never will . I think if he was more animated , maybe threw a temper tantrum once in awhile they would like him more . as for the draft woulda coulda shoulda I love ray rice and joe flacco and can't wait for the preseason to begin.
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Joe Flacco has never ended a season short of the divisional round of the playoffs. Think about that, Matt Ryan fans...
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Hate to say it, but Joe wouldn't have won as many games at KC...but the media would probably have called him elite...
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[quote name='Berkeley_Raven' timestamp='1334325933' post='1048017']
Hate to say it, but Joe wouldn't have won as many games at KC...but the media would probably have called him elite...
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I agree 100%. they don't have the defense we do . Baltimore doesn't get the same press treatment other teams do .
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In JaMarcus Russell's defense you can't say he would have been a bust if he had gone to the Ravens. Often a positive or negative environment can drastically affect a persons decision making process. He may had had the help here he didn't get there that could have changed everything for him. He had to have had something going right to do what he did in college.

GO RAVENS!
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I don't really care to do over the 2008 draft. I would rather do over the 2010 one.
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[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1334326064' post='1048019']
I agree 100%. they don't have the defense we do . Baltimore doesn't get the same press treatment other teams do .
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This is false. Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Tamba Hali, Romeo Crenell...defense has not been the problem in KC, offense is responsible for their failures.

(sidenote: i know Carr has moved on, but since we're talking about the past and not the upcoming season, that's irrelevant to the conversation)
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So, is it just me or BR.com tells the same stories from csnbaltimore.com but a day later ? #justsaying
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[quote name='Adriano' timestamp='1334324907' post='1048009']
I still don`t understand how Matt Ryan can be ahead of Flacco! I mean really what has this guy done besides making the playoffs once in 4 years, and losing in the first round...
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Nobody knew what happened four years later at the time of the '08 draft...thats how.
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[quote name='riseNConquer81' timestamp='1334326986' post='1048026']
This is false. Eric Berry, Brandon Flowers, Brandon Carr, Tamba Hali, Romeo Crenell...defense has not been the problem in KC, offense is responsible for their failures.

(sidenote: i know Carr has moved on, but since we're talking about the past and not the upcoming season, that's irrelevant to the conversation)
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In your opinion its false in mine our defense is better
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They have even coined a cutesy name for him, "matty-ice"??? Sounds a bit wacky to me. His performance in the playoffs was under-whelming at best. Flacco on the other hand almost brought the whole hog home up in enemy territory and has beaten them on their own turf up there in NE in years past in the playoffs. "matty-ice"!!! What a bore. And that great opening play where Rice ran the ball down the field in the wildcard in NE shocked those pat fans. You can rate 'em anywhere you want but 'who's foolin' who?'
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[quote name='llwillow1231' timestamp='1334327277' post='1048032']
In your opinion its false in mine our defense is better
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Opinion has nothing to do with it.
Our defense may be better but that doesnt make KC's bad.
KC's defense is comparable (Packers went 15-1 last season...guess who beat em), and the offensive weapons are similar (one could make the case that some were better in some ways) to those here.
Joe would not have had trouble winning in KC, thats fact.
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[quote name='JIVE1000' timestamp='1334327522' post='1048033']
Flacco on the other hand almost brought the whole hog home up in enemy territory and has beaten them on their own turf up there in NE in years past in the playoffs.
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I fully defend Flacco as a QB, but because of that groin injury he was dealing with, Joe had very little to do with that win, that was Ray RIce's show.
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Have no problem with having Atlanta pick Ryan over Flacco. The draft is based on college performance; no one can predict who will shine in the NFL. See Ryan Leaf/Peyton Manning, Alex Smith/Aaron Rogers, Jamarcus Russel/Anybody.
As far as draft goes, I think we will find a player we want that fills a need at 29. There are 14 teams ahead of us that will likely choose a position we wouldn't use a 1st rounder for. So there are really only 14 picks ahead of us that will take players off Ozzie's board. not sure who, but it will be good.
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@riseNConquer81, NICE REPLY....I was talking about today (Media and everyone saying Ryan is better then Flacco)...not 4 years ago! I think we are all talking about today.... Thats what the whole (2008 Draft Do-Over Sends Flacco) is about.... Flacco hasn't got the respect Ryan has gotten even tho he proved to be better....DA!!
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There's a lot of factors that went into Ryan's above average rookie season and Joe Cool's less than phenomenal rookie season coupled with the amount of wins and playoff appearances both have had since then,... the other ten guys on the field!

This is really a slow Ravens news week!
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[quote name='Adriano' timestamp='1334329003' post='1048040']
@riseNConquer81, NICE REPLY....I was talking about today (Media and everyone saying Ryan is better then Flacco)...not 4 years ago! I think we are all talking about today.... Thats what the whole (2008 Draft Do-Over Sends Flacco) is about.... Flacco hasn't got the respect Ryan has gotten even tho he proved to be better....DA!!
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<[i]no need to be rude[/i]> allow me to break it all the way down:

Hindsight now tells us that yes, Flacco has the skill and ability to be as successful in the NFL as Ryan.
SO now we can go back and say that without a doubt that Flacco and Ryan both should have come off the board in relatively the same spot (as they have in this draft re-do)
However, just because we have the hindsight doesnt mean we completely ignore the factors that went into the decisions at the time as well.

For all intents and purposes, Flacco's an Ryans accomplishments mirror each other at the moment (minus the playoff record) and there's no good reason to believe that Ryan doesnt have as much chance to win a superbowl as Flacco does. Considering the fact that at the macro level, neither one of them has done anything more than make the playoffs (i.e. there are no new Lombardi's in either camp's training facility), there's no reason for them to switch their pick to Flacco since the results TODAY (since thats your whole...thing) really arent all that different.
get it now?

And before you go harping about the playoffs let me just point out that Ryan's 3 playoff appearances ended at the hands of 2 Superbowl Champions, and one Superbowl runner up.
in that same time, Flacco's have ended at the hands of 2 Superbowl Champions and 2 Superbowl runner ups.
So basically, moving Flacco to the NFC would've changed nothing (except his playoff record) and there's still no real reason to switch the pick.
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The 2008 draft do-over just goes to show that our from office is the best in the league! According to this draft we got 2 top 10 picks at the 18th and 55th pick!?! Not to shabby... I wish we knew who Harrison had us taking...?
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@riseNConquer81 yes I get it thank you. The way you replyed the first time was wrongfully written and looked like you knew nothing about what I wrote. I do however disagree with you on Flacco being not that different the Matt. and I never said change there picks... I said that everyone (media) keeps putting Matt in front of Flacco, even though Flacco had less throws in 4 years (Bmore being a Run Team) and a better record, and not to mention making the playoffs every year.
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@riseNConquer- I agree with you on what your saying. But if you put Flacco in that offense, with Roddy White, Julio Jones, Tony Gonzalez, Now Turner and Rice are differnt but ones not head and shoulders above the. So with a compotent Offensive Coordinator (falcons have 1 we do not, IMO) and the play makers on the outside and arueably the best TE ever, i think that offense was set up better then ours. So i belive Flacco would have put up better numbers in that system with those weapons. Again juts my opinion.
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[quote name='Mystigo_Dragon' timestamp='1334329702' post='1048045']
This is really a slow Ravens news week!
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... as evidenced by the non-stop swimsuit calender shoot articles.
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what a bunch of crap!it's as much a teams culture as it is a draft picks
talent that determines whether they turn out to be a probowler or a bust.
flacco wouldn't have developed like he has in k.c and rice would have never
enough carries to be any more than the pats rotation of so so backs are.they are too pass happy to give a back more than "keep em' honest" carries.not to mention j.russell might have had better chance in our character oriented
culture than the raiders toxic al davis carnival!
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I think the HUGE difference between Flacco and Ryan is the offense.

I don't believe Ryan is in a run first offense with an OC. Nor does Ryan have an OC that is pretty conservative due to the defense. Last year ATL made a huge splash to upgrade their WR. Arguably they already had a top 5 TE in Gonzalez and Top 10 RB in Turner. Ryan's stats should be astronomically better than Joe's, but I don't believe they are. For their career there is only a 400 yard difference, but a 15 TD disparity due to the pass first nature of ATLs offense.
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Teams vary greatly. Some have their style and no matter who plays there, if they don't fit the style, they don't fluorish. And players who fit that style look better than they would elsewhere. I like loverj86's example of NE. WRs and TEs always thrive, RBs don't. The ravens used to be like that: Defense and run. But under Harbaugh (and some nifty drafting by Ozzie) we seem to be more adaptive to our personnel. That may be why our WR picks are looking better than all the past failures and why we now have a franchise QB. But it hasn't come at the expense of defense and running.
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[quote name='Adriano' timestamp='1334330827' post='1048050']
@riseNConquer81 yes I get it thank you. The way you replyed the first time was wrongfully written and looked like you knew nothing about what I wrote.
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eh, i dont usually wanna do a whole lot of writing, i give the benefit of the doubt and try to let implicit understanding take the wheel as much as possible
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