Which New Starter Do You Have The Most Confidence In?

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1333735533' post='1044288']
I don't think McPhee will start, more likely Jones starts and McPhee rotates in especially on passing downs.

So I voted Kruger. He is definitely a solid pass-rusher but he needs to prove he can be more than that. I think he will do well.
[/quote] McPhee was a run stopper at State and when drafted was only seen as a sub-package player in running situations. The pass rush ability sort of came out of nowhere. Pernell is an every down player without a doubt.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='SideStep77' timestamp='1333720131' post='1044031']
I have to say McPhee he's a monster, and for not even starting and getting six sacks, the stats don't lie in my opinion. Anyone remember that sack in the Bengals game that sealed the win? I do. However it does sound like Kruger and Reid have some promise. Reid was moved all over the O-line in practice and he is HUGE. I think if we give him an offseason he'll work for that Guard spot. Kruger also has a lot of potential and he obviously is a favorite of Harbs. But when it comes down to it, it has to be McPhear, then Kruger, and then Reid.
[/quote]It seemed like Kruger and McPhee were both getting to the passer. The two of them went gangbusters on the right side of the line in pass rush situations. They could work GREAT together as starters. They've had a year of great chemistry in game-type situations. The acclimation period could be shorter than we all think!

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1333719868' post='1044026']
Kruger gives us a pass rush opposite Suggs, it's the run stopping I'm concerned about.
[/quote]McPhee can stop the run.

[MKdave]

McPhee would have been starting towards the end of last year if Redding wasn't playing so well. We'll see how less-fresh legs affect him, but he's also got a proper offseason under his belt, so I'm expecting big, big things from him.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1333770967' post='1044641']

if it were me i wouldn't add them on the list just because of harbs saying he'll bring in a runningback and with doss, no because he will be in harbs and camerons doghouse this year. even rotating him in with boldin would be nice for him to gain experience and get some catches but their answer would probably be a straight no cuz thats how they are. They both have a bright future though.
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I think Harbaugh was saying if Rice held out then he would bring in a vet RB. I don't think he was saying definitively regardless of what happens they will get one. With Harbaugh you have to take whatever he says with a grain of salt. I don't buy into much of what he says.

Regarding Doss, I think we could very well see him as our #3 WR this year. He is my player-to-watch for the Ravens.

For the record, I voted for McPhee. As the other guy said, I remembered reading McPhee was good against the run but there were questions about his pass-rush. I remember us being impressed by his sack numbers when he was at community college but when his numbers dipped when he transferred people were worried. He played the run more when he transferred, if I recall correctly.

[Corvus]

We could use some more depth picks behind them, but Kruger and McPhee/Jones will be more than ready to step up. I like Jah's potential a lot, but we still need some major help on the interior of our o-line.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1333686596' post='1043864']

if you don't think so, who will? jones? hes not starter quality to me. solid backup? yes. starter? no.

I could see us DRAFTING someone before the 3rd round to play DE (upshaw, etc) but i'm assuming thats what you mean, right? if you're going by the roster, mcphee is the likely choice since Kruger is going to be OLB.
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I think art Jones is really gonna turn some heads this year

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1333735533' post='1044288']
I don't think McPhee will start, more likely Jones starts and McPhee rotates in especially on passing downs.

So I voted Kruger. He is definitely a solid pass-rusher but he needs to prove he can be more than that. I think he will do well.
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I agree, I think Jones will start unless McPhee puts on weight. Jones has more time in the 5 technique and is a naturally better run stuffer. I feel good about those two, they'll help us win games definitely.

[The_Raven_Fan]

I like Mcphee. He proved himself last year, playing like a 1 round pick (he was drafted in the 5 round) so he will have another breakout year, I'm sure of it.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

pitta.... never leave home without him

[Cville-Raven]

Id say Pernell Mcphee and Jimmy Smith. I don't know much about Reid, nor do I remember his preseason performance. It's not that I don't trust him, it's just that I haven't seen much any of his performances.

[Ed_Reed20]

Like others have probably said, none of those players have a starting spot locked up at this point. Strictly based on what they'll probably be asked to do, I'd go with Kruger, followed closely by McPhee.

[Token]

McPhee.
If Pees really is conservative as I've heard from Pats fans, I'm not sure how well Kruger will do.
I have to stick with McPhee until I see how Pees uses the LBs.

[RavensWin09]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1333996935' post='1046034']
McPhee.
If Pees really is conservative as I've heard from Pats fans, I'm not sure how well Kruger will do.
I have to stick with McPhee until I see how Pees uses the LBs.
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I'm worried if our scheme will change going from pagano to pees, our system sucks when we play "mattison defense". I don't know what type of defense Pees brings to the table but it better be close to last years.

I hope those pats fans you're talking about are just trying to scare you just like suggs did with pagano.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Token' timestamp='1333996935' post='1046034']
McPhee.
If Pees really is conservative as I've heard from Pats fans, I'm not sure how well Kruger will do.
I have to stick with McPhee until I see how Pees uses the LBs.
[/quote]

That's a good point, a key point. We don't know how this defense will operate through Pees. I think it's safe to assume it won't be a carbon copy of last season's unit, but if Pees is Mattison-like in his conservative mindset, as some people have suggested, Kruger may not have much of an impact/chance to use his best skills. McPhee is definitely the safe pick, he's already shown his prowess last year in critical situations. I don't know about Reid's ability to transition to LG, I'd rather us sign a guy like Steinbach and draft a young guy in the 3rd/4th to groom behind him and Birk

[GrimCoconut]

I'm not worried about Pees, regardless of the rumored conservative approach he may or may not take. It's purely speculative. Remember, Pagano took over our defense and the secondary flourished, whether that was due to him or Austin. I feel that the same may very well happen again, except this time it is Pees & Monachino. If Cary, Webb, and Jimmy did well due to a secondary DC, I feel like Kruger, Kindle, and McAdoo could do well with a LB DC.

I got a good feeling about this year. I actually think Kruger could have a very, very good year. I can see Kruger leaving us next year due to unknown talent being exposed and us not being able to afford him. I think it is very close between McPhee & Kruger. I give a small edge to McPhee because of what he has shown me last year, though both were very good.

[The Raven]

I don't understand why people think Kruger will not succeed in a Mattison defense. In Mattison's 4 man rush schemes, Kruger would fit in great. He was forced into a DE spot because we wanted him on the field but there was nowhere for him to go. Now that he has gone back to OLB and proven his potential there, I have no concerns what kind of scheme he's in. Kruger got many sacks this year in 4 man rush situations. He has the ability to beat a tackle, regardless of scheme.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1334008393' post='1046189']
I don't understand why people think Kruger will not succeed in a Mattison defense. In Mattison's 4 man rush schemes, Kruger would fit in great. He was forced into a DE spot because we wanted him on the field but there was nowhere for him to go. Now that he has gone back to OLB and proven his potential there, I have no concerns what kind of scheme he's in. Kruger got many sacks this year in 4 man rush situations. He has the ability to beat a tackle, regardless of scheme.
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The problem was Mattison was trying to get Kruger to bulk up, so he could play DE on a three man d-line. Kruger can rush the passer very well in a 4 man rush scheme, but the attempt at getting him to bulk up so he could play 3-4 DE quite nearly ruined his career.

[Alexir]

I can't say Kruger because it took him 3 years to be effective and McPhee came out as a rookie and was a force.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1334070384' post='1046503']
The problem was Mattison was trying to get Kruger to bulk up, so he could play DE on a three man d-line. Kruger can rush the passer very well in a 4 man rush scheme, but the attempt at getting him to bulk up so he could play 3-4 DE quite nearly ruined his career.
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I completely understannd what the problem originally was. What I'm saying though, is that if he was used in the DE spot instead of a more DT-like role he would fit perfectly in a Mattison scheme.

[scrock]

this is simple, who produced in their first year and is considered another steal in the later rounds ?

who took 3 years to find his position and make any kind of impact.

so who do i have more faith in? the guy who can come in right away and prove he can play at this level, I got a feeling McPhee will be big time...another potential Pro Bowl candidate....Cary Williams and Webb really broke out this year...guys like Art Jones and McPhee are about to break out as well...I like Kruger too but he seems more like a pass rush specialist only..which is fine

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1334070758' post='1046505']
I can't say Kruger because it took him 3 years to be effective and McPhee came out as a rookie and was a force.
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It doesn't matter how long it took for him to get where he is. What matters is where he is NOW, and who you trust NOW. Those three years don't matter at this point. And honestly, two of those years I will blame on Mattison.

[cursona pirate]

McPhee is going to be great that's for sure. Pitta and Flacco will connect even better next year. Pitta is the next Heap.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1333685786' post='1043857']
McPhee isn't going to be a starter yet.
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[CapoRocky]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1334008122' post='1046180']
I'm not worried about Pees, regardless of the rumored conservative approach he may or may not take. It's purely speculative. Remember, Pagano took over our defense and the secondary flourished, whether that was due to him or Austin. I feel that the same may very well happen again, except this time it is Pees & Monachino. If Cary, Webb, and Jimmy did well due to a secondary DC, I feel like Kruger, Kindle, and McAdoo could do well with a LB DC.

I got a good feeling about this year. I actually think Kruger could have a very, very good year. I can see Kruger leaving us next year due to unknown talent being exposed and us not being able to afford him. I think it is very close between McPhee & Kruger. I give a small edge to McPhee because of what he has shown me last year, though both were very good.
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I think that Pees will continue to flow effectively. I would like to see us draft a DE to add some pressure to the pass rush.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1334085269' post='1046615']
It doesn't matter how long it took for him to get where he is. What matters is where he is NOW, and who you trust NOW. Those three years don't matter at this point. And honestly, two of those years I will blame on Mattison.
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Kruger will start and McPhee will play a lot more than last year. I'd love to get a guy in the draft who can assist Suggs with putting pressure on the QB.

[jaredchado]

I really like Mcphee, in my opinion he is a big upgrade from Redding because of the pass rushing ability. As a non-starter last year, Mcphee had 6 sacks, which was only second to Suggs, who ended up winning the DPOY Award.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1334096517' post='1046705']
Kruger will start and McPhee will play a lot more than last year. [b]I'd love to get a guy in the draft who can assist Suggs with putting pressure on the QB.[/b]
[/quote]

Enter Kruger and McPhee with more snaps. I wouldn't be against the team drafting a pass rusher early, but barring injury, both Kruger and McPhee should bring enough pressure to compliment Suggs.

[da#1ravensfan]

As of right now I gotta go with Kruger but if Mcphee improves against the run he has the potential to be a dominant player.

[The Raven]

[quote name='da#1ravensfan' timestamp='1334100685' post='1046729']
As of right now I gotta go with Kruger but if Mcphee improves against the run he has the potential to be a dominant player.
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McPhee isn't great at stuffing the run, but he's shown that he can get in the backfield and get those TFL's.