Suggs Wants Troy Smith!

[Byrdz]

[quote name='neepo13' post='78793' date='Oct 22 2008, 09:02 PM']You dont have to be smart to be a good football player or a playmaker in any league.[/quote]
you got to be smart to pick off a ball the ball didnt just drop in his hand so yes you do

[Byrdz]

[quote name='rlh445' post='78797' date='Oct 22 2008, 09:14 PM']Lol..I just have to say, I was waiting for Ravens*coughIQcough* to sprout up. Where were you Sunday, bud? When Flacco played a good game? Nowhere. NOWHERE. I didn't even do you the honor of reading your post, because it'll just be a bunch of B.S. about how Suggs is right. Suggs wants Troy in because 'Troy's his boy'. Nothing more, nothing less. I doubt Suggs can even spell cat, but he's a damn good LB. He just threw his ENTIRE TEAM under the bus because of his kinship with Troy. Nice, real nice.[/quote]
all yall flacco fan would go against ray to make flacco look good now thats a damn shame and yall say we are the worst fans

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='78807' date='Oct 22 2008, 09:40 PM']I'm with ya but you don't say that on a radio show for everybody to hear.
Now we have a riff with the NFL investigating the bounty.
I love Suggs,he cracks me up but he needs to think a little before he says some of the stuff he says.[/quote]
its his mouth he can say he dont like harbaugh if he wants just like harbaugh said its a players league so go figure

[Tullamore2]

That's where we differ.

you look at our team and think we can't go anywhere

I look at our team and see the same players that took us to 13-3 I see the same players that continually perform at pro bowl caliber, I see a defense that can win us another championship, I see a tightend who is big time play maker, I see a rb who is among the best not in terms of stats but in terms of ability, I see a pro bowl wide out in Derrek Mason and an explosive play maker in Mark Clayton, I see a field stretcher and a clutch Wr in demetrius williams, I see a ST that can impose their will on anyone they choose, I see an O-line that could finsh the season in the top 10, I see a running game that can out physical the toughest of defenses, I see a rookie holding this team back with turnover after turnover and mistake after mistake or "learning opportunities". I see a veteran Qb on the sideline with several years experience under Cam Cameron's offense and a 2nd year player with ridiculous scrambling and lpay making ability whose had a year to learn from the sidelines as a QB, Troy Smith.

And I wonder to myself, why do others not see the same thing I see? Why do others insist that this season is over b4 it started or is finished? why do others insist that Flacco is only the one that can give our team the best chance at winning?


Dude, this isnt 2006. We are 3-3. We have beaten the fooball greats of Miami, Cincinnati and Cleveland w/ a combined record of 4-15!!!!!!!!!! Let's take it easy none of them are POWERHOUSES. We havent beaten a team with a winning record. I look at this team the same way the Ravens do. That is why they state exactly the same thing Flacco is the Starting QB for 2008. It's not up for discussion, get over it

[M.E.S]

look i'm not trying to steer up anything.. but they all want troy to start. the coach has even said this before the season started that he talked to some veterans and they were lobbying for troy.. yeah he got sick. and that's not anyone's fault. but the point is they all want troy in. they play nice in the media because that is what they are supposed to do.. which is good.. you are not supposed to bash your team.. but a lot of you joe supporters don't understand that most of the team feels the way most troy smith fans feel and i don't think that opinion is going to change.. they simply want troy to start..

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Tullamore2' post='78908' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:25 PM']13-3? Your living in the past young man.[/quote]


[quote name='Tullamore2' post='78909' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:27 PM']We are not a PLAYOFF team with or without troy Smith so let's REBUILD around Flacco[/quote]

If I'm living in the past where are you living? In the future that hasn't come yet?

07 we started 4-2 arguably could have been 5-1 if you recall the cinci game where heap got called for pass interfernce on the game tying touchdown. (which infact he was being held)

Then....we have a string of critical injuries

and lose and lose and lose...why? Becuase we were not the same team as in beginning of the year. We didnt have the same 11 on defense and the same 11 on offense. We were a completely different team with the injuries.

And the odd thing is old man, is Troy Smith is the guy that lead our team to a victory over our divisional rivals and snapped our losing streak.

You think we're not a playoff team because your thought process is screwed up. Technically we're 3-3 but I dont think anyone here questions that we should be 5-1, That would make us the #2 seed if the playoffs were to start today. But we're 3-3 bcuz we didn't have sufficient enough offense lead by a mistake riddled rookie quarterback to score points.

Say what you want about our team's future but don't say our present is over bcuz if I recall the Superbowl Team in 2000 went on to win 11 straight games earlier in that year after having .500 record (5-4). I believe that teams offense was in question as well?

what was the name of that team?? My memory is failing me

[Baltboy]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78913' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:33 PM']its his mouth he can say he dont like harbaugh if he wants just like harbaugh said its a players league so go figure[/quote]
I don't give a damn if he likes Harb or not he shouldn't be throwing around the Bounty word on the radio.
Now we're under scrutiny.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='78635' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:42 PM']See the thing is... IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE HELL THE PLAYERS WANT TO START!!!!! its COACH HARBAUGHS DECISION. TRUE FANS SUPPORT THE COACH'S DECISIONS!!!!!!![/quote]
not really

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='78638' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:46 PM']Can we all just get along?? Are all of us rooting for the same team? I also was excited for Troy starting the season, but wait he got sick! So I guess they had to pick someone to be the Qb, oh right maybe the guy we drafted JOE. I understand you guys think Troy desserves a chance, but how do you guys suppose he gets his chance?? Anyone?? How does anyone know Troy gives us the best chance?? Should we sit Flacco and put Troy in now? Would that make sense? If we were 6-0 or 5-1 this would not even be a discussion![/quote]
scratch the record we cand go 16-0 with flacco and i still want troy yall say that yall dont see no long term succes with troy what sense that make yall acting like hes 36 or something if troy can play now he will be nicer a year or two from now

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78648' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:52 PM']Glad we could get back to normal civilized people lol, no worries, I understand your p.o.v.

I just dont know how you can justify taking Joe out at this point I guess....[/quote]
cause he never won the job in the first place he beat some whack ****** team and yall thing hes peyton manning by looking at peyton's rookie numbers joe numbers look better for a Cb 7 ints and 2 tds.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78918' date='Oct 23 2008, 05:45 PM']not really[/quote]

yes really. The Coach's are paid millions of dollars to coach, the players are paid millions of dollars to play, and the fans pay a fair few dollars to watch them do it. Everyone should just stick to their job and what they do best.

[Tullamore2]

You think we're not a playoff team because your thought process is screwed up. Technically we're 3-3 but I dont think anyone who questions that we should be 5-1, That would make us the #2 seed if the playoffs were to start today. But we're 3-3 bcuz we didn't have sufficient enough offense lead by a mistake riddled rookie quarterback to score points


Yes I'm a REALIST. I dont believe say "could have, should have, would have" those words are for people always making excuses. We are 3-3 that is our record. We beat 3 teams w/ a combined 4-15 record!!!! Your living in a fantasy word, keep drinkin the I just used the EMB's #1 Cliche!!

[Baltboy]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78913' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:33 PM']its his mouth he can say he dont like harbaugh if he wants just like harbaugh said its a players league so go figure[/quote]
Once again here's the interview;
[url="http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2"]http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2[/url]

Where in that interview does he say he doesn't like Harb?

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='78661' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:09 PM']How about if Flacco is the best option?? We dont know? He may win the next ten in a row ! Thats why we dont sit somebody that may or may not be the best option, to put some one who may or may not be the best option! [/quote]
mostof troy smith drives went down the field he never really go three and out he moves that chains take all of flacco sacks those would be 5-10 yard gains for troy and what is ten yard gaind first downs and the whole field is nothing but 10 first downs which troy can either throw or run flacco can onyl throw.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78664' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:17 PM']But brandon marshall is a top 10 if not top 5 wr

Troy r bouman or flacco are not top 10 qbs in the league, lets be honest lol[/quote]
yall act like flacco is the bomb because of his mistakes

[Byrdz]

[quote name='neepo13' post='78668' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:20 PM']Good for him. I am sure Bart Scott, Troy Smith's biggest fan would agree to. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, doesnt neccessarily make it a good one. Again, like all the Smith supporters he himself failed to give any solid reasoning for why Smith would be better then Flacco at this point, other then Flacco has struggled.[/quote]
yall is holding the fact that troy hasnt started this year against us. troy is better than flacco at the beginning of the season and at the end. we dont have to prove to you anything cause we already didnt some many times and all yall can say as the end result is "flacco is the starter get over it"

[Byrdz]

[quote name='neepo13' post='78668' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:20 PM']Good for him. I am sure Bart Scott, Troy Smith's biggest fan would agree to. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, doesnt neccessarily make it a good one. Again, like all the Smith supporters he himself failed to give any solid reasoning for why Smith would be better then Flacco at this point, other then Flacco has struggled.[/quote]
and can u give me one nfl game that troy has struggled in

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='78670' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:22 PM']You know you can't compare WRs and QBs. It's completely different.

You never seem to understand the concept of team unity. Pulling a player out just to "give the other guy a chance" is not beneficial, in any way. We all know that Troy won the QB competition in preseason. He got sick, it doesn't matter anymore. Joe is the starter until he starts throwing 3+ picks consistently every game. Quarterback isn't a position where you pull a guy just to see the other guy. Coach gets to see them everyday in practice, and he chooses the guy he thinks is best.

Ray Lewis likes Flacco. Good enough for me.[/quote]
see coach see them everyday if thats the case why flacco wasnt named starter in the preseason then contradicting ya self

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='78724' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:30 PM']And you think Derrick Mason is just wrong then? Derrick Mason sees it as a player too, and he's all for Flacco. What you need to ask yourself is this: What's the difference between Derrick Mason's perspective and Suggs' perspective?

There's more to Suggs' comments than just that little tidbit. Feel free to assume it's all about his desire to win. I think there's other baggage as well. In the end, it doesn't much matter. The coaches decide and when it comes down to it, neither Suggs' issues or our opinions weigh much on what they're going to do.[/quote]
mason likes flacco cause hes the only WR he sees and he make D-mason look like clayton from college

[Byrdz]

[quote name='bossman419' post='78810' date='Oct 22 2008, 09:47 PM']yeah and so does flacco, and apparently flacco does better in practice cause hes the one starting[/quote]
so why not be named starter b4 preseason like troy. it took two people to get hurt for him to start so you dont have a point. duh troy played better in practice before he got hurt of course flacco is gonna look good in practice if hes the only Qb in practice be for real. Suggs must think in the back of his mind that troy can whoop most D's a** if he can do it to us everyday. Haruki Picks flacoo off 5 days a week in training camp go figure. That is how flacco is getteing better by playing against us everyday. being that troy is more equipped means that he will do more in real games no picks in four games. 7 picks in 5 games do the math.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78927' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:55 PM']yall act like flacco is the bomb because of his mistakes[/quote]
[quote name='Byrdz' post='78928' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:57 PM']yall is holding the fact that troy hasnt started this year against us. troy is better than flacco at the beginning of the season and at the end. we dont have to prove to you anything cause we already didnt some many times and all yall can say as the end result is "flacco is the starter get over it"[/quote]
[quote name='Byrdz' post='78929' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:58 PM']and can u give me one nfl game that troy has struggled in[/quote]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78931' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:02 PM']mason likes flacco cause hes the only WR he sees and he make D-mason look like clayton from college[/quote]

Are you trying to get your post count up or something, put them together so it doesnt take up a full page....
[quote name='Byrdz' post='78921' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:50 PM']cause he never won the job in the first place he beat some whack ****** team and yall thing hes peyton manning by looking at peyton's rookie numbers joe numbers look better for a Cb 7 ints and 2 tds.[/quote]

Youre still mad about Flacco not winning the job, but its not his fault he was the only healthy qb left, i mean come on. We throw everytime we get close to the goalline, cutting down his TD #'s imo, which is fine.

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78925' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:53 PM']mostof troy smith drives went down the field he never really go three and out he moves that chains take all of flacco sacks those would be 5-10 yard gains for troy and what is ten yard gaind first downs and the whole field is nothing but 10 first downs which troy can either throw or run flacco can onyl throw.[/quote]

Thats baloney... Yeah he had decent drives, but its not like he threw 5 tds in 2 games or anything, our O still struggled. We wont all the sudden become an offensive juggernaut if troy steps in.

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78930' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:00 PM']see coach see them everyday if thats the case why flacco wasnt named starter in the preseason then contradicting ya self[/quote]

Probably because hes a first round pick, and he is from a d-2 school, and we had a "Kyle Boller Project" if you dont remember, no one wanted to re-live that. Unfortunately, things happened, so hes in there. Now, he thnks we should stick with joe, thats not a contradiction

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Tullamore2' post='78914' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:41 PM']That's where we differ.

you look at our team and think we can't go anywhere

I look at our team and see the same players that took us to 13-3 I see the same players that continually perform at pro bowl caliber, I see a defense that can win us another championship, I see a tightend who is big time play maker, I see a rb who is among the best not in terms of stats but in terms of ability, I see a pro bowl wide out in Derrek Mason and an explosive play maker in Mark Clayton, I see a field stretcher and a clutch Wr in demetrius williams, I see a ST that can impose their will on anyone they choose, I see an O-line that could finsh the season in the top 10, I see a running game that can out physical the toughest of defenses, I see a rookie holding this team back with turnover after turnover and mistake after mistake or "learning opportunities". I see a veteran Qb on the sideline with several years experience under Cam Cameron's offense and a 2nd year player with ridiculous scrambling and lpay making ability whose had a year to learn from the sidelines as a QB, Troy Smith.

And I wonder to myself, why do others not see the same thing I see? Why do others insist that this season is over b4 it started or is finished? why do others insist that Flacco is only the one that can give our team the best chance at winning?


Dude, this isnt 2006. We are 3-3. We have beaten the fooball greats of Miami, Cincinnati and Cleveland w/ a combined record of 4-15!!!!!!!!!! Let's take it easy none of them are POWERHOUSES. We havent beaten a team with a winning record. I look at this team the same way the Ravens do. That is why they state exactly the same thing Flacco is the Starting QB for 2008. It's not up for discussion, get over it[/quote]
yeah why dont everybody undestand the same way flacco can get it to mason so can troy and better you miss a wide open heap in the endzone twice. troy didnt have heap when he played and still did better and you cant throw for over 200 yards if your not in the whole game .

[Tiz]

[quote name='itlstl7' post='78545' date='Oct 22 2008, 09:36 AM'][url="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/22/suggs-lobbies-for-troy-smith/"]http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/22/...for-troy-smith/[/url]

Wow! I know this is going to cause alot of craziness once again on this board but this is quite a statement by Sizzle... It's funny cause in a way Sizzle is saying what alot of the Troy supporters have been saying on these boards... interesting...any thoughts?[/quote]
Thoughts? Hmm I got one. Sign a long term deal or stfu about what you want for this team Suggs. Yup that's my thought.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='MKdave' post='78922' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:50 PM']yes really. The Coach's are paid millions of dollars to coach, the players are paid millions of dollars to play, and the fans pay a fair few dollars to watch them do it. Everyone should just stick to their job and what they do best.[/quote]
you dont even know what im talking about im talking about the whole going behind the coaches decisions coach can do what he want but it doens make it right what do you all think the coach is doing to troy smith confidence when he was the starter and he comes back and now flacoo is the seasson starter. lloks like to me they wanted to not look bad so they wait until troy get hurt to be like let not waiste million in our first year. If flacco was a 6th round pick you think they would be worrying about "Falco" NO

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='78924' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:52 PM']Once again here's the interview;
[url="http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2"]http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2[/url]

Where in that interview does he say he doesn't like Harb?[/quote]
i said he dont have to like harbaugh i never said that he said he dont read carefully first b4 you post

[H8R]

Flacoo is the starter on the depth chart. Case closed, T Sizzle needs to work more on that pass rush and less on interviews. I thought he was coming around from his stupidity, maybe not! Our locker room does not needs this. You know whats great though, I think Joe can prove Sizzle wrong. Some things are meant to happen, at this point in time that thing is Flacco; good or bad.

[H8R]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78941' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:25 PM']you dont even know what im talking about im talking about the whole going behind the coaches decisions coach can do what he want but it doens make it right what do you all think the coach is doing to troy smith confidence when he was the starter and he comes back and now flacoo is the seasson starter. lloks like to me they wanted to not look bad so they wait until troy get hurt to be like let not waiste million in our first year. If flacco was a 6th round pick you think they would be worrying about "Falco" NO[/quote]


I really tried.... but I can't make sense of what you said. Could you try that again please?

Caveman terms: HARBAUGH-COACH TSIZZLE-PLAYER.

[Tiz]

This is an irrelevant topic/debate to begin with. Had Troy not gotten ill he would have been the starter game one. So to some degree the Staff agrees that Troy should have started over Flacco. The flip to that is that because he was unable to go Flacco got the start and Flacco hasn't played badly enough to deserve to be benched so there's no reason for a change. It's just too bad that you have people that are not Ravens fans who use the forum to start arguments.

I look at it this way. I'm not one of those guys that felt Troy should start. I'm not one of those guys that felt Flacco should start either. I am one of those guys that didn't want to see Flacco handed the job like we did with Boller. I wanted to see him earn it and as default it meant that either Troy or Boller was going to have to start. I don't think either Troy or Boller is truely a great option to begin with but it's the options we had and one of those two should have been starting but a series of unfortunate events led us to where we are now and the staff is going to make the best of it.

My reason for not caring what Suggs thinks actually come from him deciding it's much more worthwhile to argue over how he's franchise tagged than to work on how to get a long term contract. So to a point I question if he's here for the long term and if he's not committed to trying to be here for the long term then I'm all for duct taping his mouth and paying him what we are this year to do what he's doing so far this year. Just play and shut up...

[Byrdz]

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[Byrdz]

[quote name='H8R' post='78947' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:32 PM']I really tried.... but I can't make sense of what you said. Could you try that again please?

Caveman terms: HARBAUGH-COACH TSIZZLE-PLAYER.[/quote]
and this reply wasnt for you its was for the fella with the rock pic