Suggs Wants Troy Smith!

[bossman419]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78788' date='Oct 22 2008, 08:55 PM']after all troy does practice against the best D in football everyday.[/quote]
yeah and so does flacco, and apparently flacco does better in practice cause hes the one starting

[Moderator 2]

Keep it clean guys and cut the personal attacks or this thread will be locked.

[bkirha1]

awwwwww ****, this is gonna get interesting now...

[Raven07]

this may be a little more than what it actually is in reality, suggs made a suggestion, a simple suggestion..one to which they could either take in and think about and whatever OR blow over..... no matter who is under center....there is always Games to be played so the focus should remain as such.
i will say this though, even though Harbaugh said that Flacco is the man for this season, he did make it a point to say that "we will see Troy at at some point in time this season" what that means noone truly knows for certain, but im looking forward to seeing troy out there, not that im saying flacco has done a horid job, because you can just see his development and growth from week to week, but i would like to see Troy and also see him develop.
Suggs made a point with the statement that he loves what Flacco is doing and whatnot but he wants to see what Troy has and so he made the simple suggestion of having both players play, how they do it, is up to the team, but i think a half for eadch would seem precise.

[Fred Sanford]

Suggs really has that ability to make you want to cheer him and smack him upside the head at the same time.

I like him, he's made a great transition from DE to OLB and is a great all around player. I was hoping the single season sack leader in Div-IA would get more like 10-15 sacks every year rather than 4-10, but he's certainly very talented. Dwight Freeney money, though?

The DE/LB franchise tag dispute, comments about playing in Arizona, seemingly elevated play in a contract year....he can make it hard to like him.

Troy is a more outwardly confident and vocal guy than Flacco, which can impress some of the younger, less.....intellectual players like Suggs, but doesn't necessarily lead to improved QB or team play. Troy's got the swagger, the intense desire to lead this offense, and I love that.

However, he threw some godawful balls in Seattle and Pittsburgh that were miraculously dropped by db's last year. If they'd been caught, like a much higher percentages of Joe's bad passes have, it would likely be a moot issue. The Heisman is nice, but most of his plays were to Anthony Gonzalez or go routes to Ted Ginn Jr. against chump college secondaries. An equal competitor, Florida, made him look like an atrociously bad quarterback in a pro-style setting.

Even so, its perfectly reasonable for Sizzle to promote Troy playing in some capacity at qb, as a considerable number of players believe and Harbaugh has posited in a hypothetical. The thing is, he should keep comments about how his view of our depth chart to himself, and he KNOWS he should.

The line about using both qb's in different packages is pretty nonsensical backpedalling. No one who keeps up with the NFL should seriously believe that a quarterback-by-committee approach is best for building an offense. He surely knows that Flacco has been Bisciotti's guy since Draft Day, so why suggest a revolving door at QB? Billick didn't like his immaturity after we drafted him, it seems it hasn't improved much. Suggs is too often the perfect example of the problems of emptyheaded narcissism and lack of hometown loyalty in the free agent era. The whole country's culture is based on chasing a buck, no one should be surprised.

He's starting to enjoy listening to himself speak a bit much, and I'm sure the media coverage as well. That's fine when he's being silly, but on the serious stuff he should just shut up. All this big talking is just him trying to hype himself for some ridiculous contract next year. Grow up dude, whether it's a 30 or 70 mil contract, you'll be alright at the end of the day. Speaking of "likes to hear himself speak(type)", it seems I could learn a lesson too .

[M.E.S]

[quote name='PuRock' post='78565' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:18 PM']You make it sound like Ozzie Newsome wants to start Smith. This is Suggs we are talking about. There will always be sides choosen in the locker room. This is nothing new, what type of response are you looking for? He's speaking his mind. I wish he showed a little more team unity nevertheless, and took a note or two from Ray Lewis. But nevertheless it isn't Suggs decision to make, it's only his opinion.[/quote]


ummm you forgot. ray lewis wanted smith to start and lobbied for him in the preseason..

[M.E.S]

please stop saying troy isn't healthy.. he is back healthy and he is #2 on the depth chart.. coach said it himself




Is QB Troy Smith progressing physically?

[mpplaya07]

All i know is i remember hearing Ray Lewis take Flacco side.... The day that man complains and says we need troy in will be the day i jump of the flacco bus but until then i could care less if suggs said this or that... Hes not the captain of this team...IQ, you said he plays against suggs in practice and this and that well so does flacco.. You hear anyone else saying to start troy? NO...

[Ravnet]

That was a very short article, but I can't believe a guy would just come right out and say that. Suggs has made it very clear that he wants to be an analyst in a few years, so this is probably just a ploy by him, although I do believe that he wants Smith for the starter. I kind of see it as one guy endorsing his friend. Suggs and Smith probably have a lot more in common than Suggs and Flacco and.

This team is a joke, guys like Scott coming out and calling a bounty on Ward, I thought that Scott was making a change for the better and keeping his mouth shut? Now Suggs saying something like this doesn't surprise me, it is just disappointing, really. You can change the coaching staff around, but these players just don't want to follow any rules or exhibit ANY kind of discipline. It seems to me like Harbaugh is pretty hard-nosed, but the players obviously see him as more of another guy than an real authoritative figure; no team with respect for their coach would call him out on a bold statement that he made. They think that because they look good statistically, and make big hits, they have the liberty to do and say what they want.

It's amazing that guys like Ray, Ed and Cmac are such mature veterans, but you have idiots like Scott and Suggs running around. What exactly has Suggs done this season? Sure he made a few big plays against the intimidating Dolphins D-line, but it's hard not to make an impact when you have Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata and Ray Lewis eating up blockers. Other than that, he decided to bypass training camp and smack a quarterback in the helmet and lose in essence lose us the game. I didn't see Suggs come up big against Pittsburgh when they drove down the field, either. I'm not blaming games on Suggs or the defense, but we give them too much credit sometimes. They look good for three quarters, but the game isn't decided in 45 or even 55 minutes.

I'm one of the biggest Ravens fans that you'll find, but it's the same crap every year with this team. For all the talking this defense does, there are close to double digit games that I can think of that the defense either self-destructed or collapsed under pressure in the past 2-3 years and could have been blamed for the loss. Granted, they've kept us in more games than we deserve, but I don't remember the 2000 defense ever blowing leads on final drives, losing games on penalties and calling for Trent's head. I'm sure there are other people around here that remember the 2000 team, and I ask you, do you ever remember Tony or Rod or Boulware ever calling out Trent, questioning Brian's decisions, skipping training camp and then committing a ridiculous penalty that the coaching staff had probably told them never to do? I don't, and if they did do something stupid, they made up for it on the field. How many playoff games has Suggs won? Suggs is going to average something like 5 sacks a year, and he thinks that he should get a pay day like Freeney got last year, are you kidding me? Imagine Suggs on a team without Gregg, Ngata, Pryce, Lewis and Scott.

[kze]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='78843' date='Oct 23 2008, 07:49 AM']ummm you forgot. ray lewis wanted smith to start and lobbied for him in the preseason..[/quote]


...and so did Mason and a lot of other player at the end of last season and the beginning of this.

[ChiseBack(CB)]

ITT: WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Anyway IMO Troy Smith will become somewhat of a glorified Seneca Wallace for us, a quality backup that makes you think he could start but just isn't an NFL starting QB.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Why do these topics keep popping up everywhere.

I know I'm a Smith supporter, and I wanted him to start, but the coaches made the decision to leave Flacco in there, so as long as that doesn't change, I'll support Joe.

But I'll always, secretly want Troy to start, at heart...

[POE]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='78864' date='Oct 23 2008, 07:56 AM']Why do these topics keep popping up everywhere.

I know I'm a Smith supporter, and I wanted him to start, but the coaches made the decision to leave Flacco in there, so as long as that doesn't change, I'll support Joe.

But I'll always, secretly want Troy to start, at heart...[/quote]

IMO thats exactly how any fan of Troy Smith should react and feel. I would feel the same way if I wanted Troy to start and wouldn't say too much about it unlike a few others that get offended when others tell them to just back the team. Like you have already said the coaches made the decision...and besides the players are behind that decision, Flacco has shown potential at his young and ripe age and the only thing we can do as fans is support the team and Joe moving forward. If Troy were to come in and start I would still personally want Flacco in because he has showed me enough that I think he will be the key to this team for years to come, but I would back Troy and the coaches decision 100% and would leave it at that.

For the record...PFT.com always blows things out of proportion and the intel on that site always seems pre-mature or just plain bogus. Thanks to some inside evidence this was true in this case and the whole story got blown up to really be nothing.

[Moderator 3]

For those of you who are just jumping to the end and not reading the entire thread, here's what Mike Duffy had to say on this topic yesterday:

[quote]Hey all. This is getting blown way out of proportion. Here's what Sizzle said in the locker room today. I was there, so this is from my transcription of the interview.

What about comments you made saying that Troy Smith should be the starter?

[ravensgirlx88]

This just needs to end... As of right now Flacco is starter Smith is backup.. No matter what any of us think or want.. at the end of the day it is what it is and everyone will have different opinions about it.. Of course I want to win games now.. but we ARE winning games with Flacco.. you think we dont utilize Heap NOW?.. Well think about when troy gets in... I dont care what ANYONE says.. his HEIGHT will show up eventually. Flacco overthrows.. well Smith underthrows.. i seen it in preseason. Im sure different people have different opinions but it just DOESNT matter. Im supporting whoever COACH harbaugh puts on the feild.. End of discussion for me.

[justifythegame]

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This has nothing to do with the thread but... LMFAO.


Troy Smith should be starting, not because he is the future, but because Flacco needs time on the sidelines to learn the offense, learn the nfl, and wait for the protection to improve and for ozzie to draft more playmakers for him to work with. Throwing him to the wolves like Boller was a mistake.

Troy Smith might be able to win us games, all this kid has ever done is make plays somehow and win games, he might've turned out like Drew Brees or DA(of last yr at least). He has the playmaking ability to win you games, and the ability to run if the protection breaks down, and make a play. If he doesn't work out, Flacco would be better off starting in a year. Guys like Romo, Rivers and Rodgers have stated they are playing so well now because they weren't thrown to the wolves and got to learn on the sidelines. Flacco may not realize the importance because he is a rookie, he is an extremely confident guy, but this would've benefited him alot. oh well. i don't think billick would've done this because he had experience with Boller being thrown in as a rookie.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='justifythegame' post='78873' date='Oct 23 2008, 07:54 AM']This has nothing to do with the thread but... LMFAO.


Troy Smith should be starting, not because he is the future, but because Flacco needs time on the sidelines to learn the offense, learn the nfl, and wait for the protection to improve and for ozzie to draft more playmakers for him to work with. Throwing him to the wolves like Boller was a mistake.

Troy Smith might be able to win us games, all this kid has ever done is make plays somehow and win games, he might've turned out like Drew Brees or DA(of last yr at least). He has the playmaking ability to win you games, and the ability to run if the protection breaks down, and make a play. If he doesn't work out, Flacco would be better off starting in a year. Guys like Romo, Rivers and Rodgers have stated they are playing so well now because they weren't thrown to the wolves and got to learn on the sidelines. Flacco may not realize the importance because he is a rookie, he is an extremely confident guy, but this would've benefited him alot. oh well. i don't think billick would've done this because he had experience with Boller being thrown in as a rookie.[/quote]

You make a VERY good point here..but let me stuff before I get wrapped up in the QB thing again

[Ravens549]

[quote name='Gwaihir' post='78556' date='Oct 22 2008, 12:59 PM']I could care less what Suggs thinks! He won't be a Raven next year anyway, so who cares![/quote]
hahaha
Have to agree here.
Don't give much credence to what Sizzle says anyway. Maybe Smith is giving Suggs that extra $300K he needed so badly.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='78843' date='Oct 23 2008, 01:49 AM']ummm you forgot. ray lewis wanted smith to start and lobbied for him in the preseason..[/quote]
Yeah, preseason dude.... troy got ill, now he supports flacco

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78888' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:32 AM']Yeah, preseason dude.... troy got ill, now he supports flacco[/quote]

Does he have a choice?

What's he gonna say? No I think Flacco is a bum? Of course not he's gonna support whoever is starting, doesn't mean he feels Troy shouldn't be given another chance. Maybe he doesn't. But...he did want Troy to start the season.

[size=3]Unless!!![/size]






[b]Da! Da! Da! DUMMMMM[/b].........................................He's a Bandwagoner !!!

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='78856' date='Oct 23 2008, 03:11 AM']That was a very short article, but I can't believe a guy would just come right out and say that. Suggs has made it very clear that he wants to be an analyst in a few years, so this is probably just a ploy by him, although I do believe that he wants Smith for the starter. I kind of see it as one guy endorsing his friend. Suggs and Smith probably have a lot more in common than Suggs and Flacco and.

[b]This team is a joke, guys like Scott coming out and calling a bounty on Ward, I thought that Scott was making a change for the better and keeping his mouth shut? [/b]Now Suggs saying something like this doesn't surprise me, it is just disappointing, really. You can change the coaching staff around, but these players just don't want to follow any rules or exhibit ANY kind of discipline. It seems to me like Harbaugh is pretty hard-nosed, but the players obviously see him as more of another guy than an real authoritative figure; no team with respect for their coach would call him out on a bold statement that he made. They think that because they look good statistically, and make big hits, they have the liberty to do and say what they want.

It's amazing that guys like Ray, Ed and [b][size=4]Cmac[/size] [/b]are such mature veterans, but you have idiots like Scott and Suggs running around. What exactly has Suggs done this season? Sure he made a few big plays against the intimidating Dolphins D-line, but it's hard not to make an impact when you have Trevor Pryce, Haloti Ngata and Ray Lewis eating up blockers. Other than that, he decided to bypass training camp and smack a quarterback in the helmet and lose in essence lose us the game. I didn't see Suggs come up big against Pittsburgh when they drove down the field, either. I'm not blaming games on Suggs or the defense, but we give them too much credit sometimes. They look good for three quarters, but the game isn't decided in 45 or even 55 minutes.

I'm one of the biggest Ravens fans that you'll find, but it's the same crap every year with this team. For all the talking this defense does, there are close to double digit games that I can think of that the defense either self-destructed or collapsed under pressure in the past 2-3 years and could have been blamed for the loss. Granted, they've kept us in more games than we deserve, but I don't remember the 2000 defense ever blowing leads on final drives, losing games on penalties and calling for Trent's head. I'm sure there are other people around here that remember the 2000 team, and I ask you, do you ever remember Tony or Rod or Boulware ever calling out Trent, questioning Brian's decisions, skipping training camp and then committing a ridiculous penalty that the coaching staff had probably told them never to do? I don't, and if they did do something stupid, they made up for it on the field. How many playoff games has Suggs won? Suggs is going to average something like 5 sacks a year, and he thinks that he should get a pay day like Freeney got last year, are you kidding me? Imagine Suggs on a team without Gregg, Ngata, Pryce, Lewis and Scott.[/quote]

Scott called the bounty on ward?.... I thought that was suggs, Scott seems to talk alot on the field, but not a bad guy off it.

Cmac is a mature veteran... yeah he showed that when he couldnt even manage to dress properly before the game last week, I respect himand his game, but he needs to get his head out of his A**

Suggs will not be very good on another team, and he doesnt deserve dwight freeney money for sure. We needed to franchise him bc of depth, but I think barnes can fill in next year

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78889' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:36 AM']Does he have a choice?

What's he gonna say? No I think Flacco is a bum? Of course not he's gonna support whoever is starting, doesn't mean he feels Troy shouldn't be given another chance. Maybe he doesn't. But...he did want Troy to start the season.

[size=3]Unless!!![/size]






[b]Da! Da! Da! DUMMMMM[/b].........................................He's a Bandwagoner !!![/quote]

So everyone who supported troy, then changed to flacco are bandwagoners now because they dont feel troy should jump back in front of Joe on the depth chart?

[Tullamore2]

are you people serious????? Troy Smith is nota NFL QB. He will be out of the league within 3 years. He is an athlete.....not a QB. Troy head north young man........CFL

[Tullamore2]

He is a #3 QB at best. Don't compare to Seneca Wallace. That is an insult to Seneca Wallace!!!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78891' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:39 AM']So everyone who supported troy, then changed to flacco are bandwagoners now because they dont feel troy should jump back in front of Joe on the depth chart?[/quote]

YEEEEE HAWWWWW

give me a can of beans and a banjo and hitch my wagon to whoevers winning.

But seriously, THere is no question in my mind that everyone here wants Flacco to succeed. I don't think people are saying it's either Troy or the Highway vice versa with Joe. I think it's more along the lines of YES i support joe but sometimes I question is he really the right answer for THIS SEASON. No doubt about the future. Everytime Joe lines up on sunday I'm probably his BIGGEST fan cheering him and supporting him, doesn't mean that I can't have doubts to whether he is the right guy at this present time. When the little mistakes happen the questions start to pop up. I dont think it's right to shrug off peoples concerns or opinions.

It's not a choose a side thing or which Man or woman has the bigger....fanhood or most support, it's just a matter of opinions on how the Ravens can win more. Some think it's with Joe some think it could possibly be with someone else. But if you don't support Joe Flacco on game day then what ever you say on this message board shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm sure we can all agree on that.

[Tullamore2]

Play Flacco....he is our FUTURE!! We have no PRESENT. Play the rookie and let him take his lumps. He will learn from this year and mature as aQB you can rebuild around. We will win about 6 games and that is OK!!! We get a high draft pick and REBUILD around our franchise QB of the future. Let our old veterens go that are free agents ala 33 year old Ray Lewis and rebuild this team into a WINNER.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78896' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:55 AM']Everytime Joe lines up on sunday I'm probably his BIGGEST fan cheering him and supporting him....[/quote]

Guess I'm a close second

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78896' date='Oct 23 2008, 11:55 AM']But if you don't support Joe Flacco on game day then what ever you say on this message board shouldn't be taken seriously. I'm sure we can all agree on that.[/quote]

Sure can

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Tullamore2' post='78900' date='Oct 23 2008, 12:03 PM']Play Flacco....he is our FUTURE!! We have no PRESENT. Play the rookie and let him take his lumps. He will learn from this year and mature as aQB you can rebuild around. We will win about 6 games and that is OK!!! We get a high draft pick and REBUILD around our franchise QB of the future. Let our old veterens go that are free agents ala 33 year old Ray Lewis and rebuild this team into a WINNER.[/quote]


That's where we differ.

you look at our team and think we can't go anywhere

I look at our team and see the same players that took us to 13-3 I see the same players that continually perform at pro bowl caliber, I see a defense that can win us another championship, I see a tightend who is big time play maker, I see a rb who is among the best not in terms of stats but in terms of ability, I see a pro bowl wide out in Derrek Mason and an explosive play maker in Mark Clayton, I see a field stretcher and a clutch Wr in demetrius williams, I see a ST that can impose their will on anyone they choose, I see an O-line that could finsh the season in the top 10, I see a running game that can out physical the toughest of defenses, I see a rookie holding this team back with turnover after turnover and mistake after mistake or "learning opportunities". I see a veteran Qb on the sideline with several years experience under Cam Cameron's offense and a 2nd year player with ridiculous scrambling and lpay making ability whose had a year to learn from the sidelines as a QB, Troy Smith.

And I wonder to myself, why do others not see the same thing I see? Why do others insist that this season is over b4 it started or is finished? why do others insist that Flacco is only the one that can give our team the best chance at winning?

[Tullamore2]

13-3? Your living in the past young man.

[Tullamore2]

We are not a PLAYOFF team with or without troy Smith so let's REBUILD around Flacco