Suggs Wants Troy Smith!

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='78670' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:22 PM']You know you can't compare WRs and QBs. It's completely different.

You never seem to understand the concept of team unity. Pulling a player out just to "give the other guy a chance" is not beneficial, in any way. We all know that Troy won the QB competition in preseason. He got sick, it doesn't matter anymore. Joe is the starter until he starts throwing 3+ picks consistently every game. Quarterback isn't a position where you pull a guy just to see the other guy. Coach gets to see them everyday in practice, and he chooses the guy he thinks is best.

[b]Ray Lewis like Flacco[/b]. Good enough for me.[/quote]

Ray Lewis is going to support whatever players are on the field because he is a TEAM player. His only interest is to bring the team together and not continue to divide it with competitions that are over and done with.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78659' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:07 PM']Remember when Rookie WR Eddie Royal destroyed the raiders on MNF? The broncos didn't commit to starting Royal the entire season over Brandon Marshal bcuz of how great he played that 1 game. Marshal got back to the team after being out of football for a couple of weeks and look at him now, making them a better team.

What's your take on it? Think they should have taken all their options off the table and kept 1st year rookie Eddie Royal as the #1 Wr? After all he did have a couple of solid games.[/quote]

You are king at comparing apples to oranges.

Mike Vick to cancer patients
Brandon Marshall to Troy Smith

Brandon Marshall is a proven WR. There was no doubt as to who the starter was going to be. He is a top 5 WR in the league. He wasn't going to lose his spot to Eddie Royal. It wasn't even debatable, however our starting QB situation was. It's not like Smith was a top 5 quarterback coming into this season.

[neepo13]

[quote name='PuRock' post='78687' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:36 PM']You are king at comparing apples to oranges.

Mike Vick to cancer patients
Brandon Marshall to Troy Smith

Brandon Marshall is a proven WR. There was no doubt as to who the starter was going to be. He is a top 5 WR in the league. He wasn't going to lose his spot to Eddie Royal. It wasn't even debatable, however our starting QB situation was. It's not like Smith was a top 5 quarterback coming into this season.[/quote]

Not only that most teams use more then one WR in each game. So, switching out WR's from game to game, doesnt have as drastic an effect as switching out QBs, since you dont use more then 1 QB per game unless its absolutly neccessary.

[Marc2k6]

Yall want to debate about our QB situation? OK! Flacco is the starting QB unless something happens to deam a time for a QB change. That is it! GOOD NIGHT!

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78553' date='Oct 22 2008, 12:54 PM']It's been more than 5 minutes and this thread has only 2 replies? Cat got ya tongue?[/quote]

And all five of those minutes Troy Smith was still the back-up. Interesting.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78581' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:53 PM']Here's a question to ask yourself...Is Terrel Suggs the ONLY player who feels Troy should start? After all he plays with the man, practices with the man, he sees in person what each can do, what each brings to the table. He plays DEFENSE AGAINST the man and feels Troy is the better of the 2. He rides the same bus as the man, don't you think he would have a better idea of what Troy or Flacco can do than lets say one of us who have never seen or have even been to a real practice in person yet alone participated in one? and he does it everyday but what does he know right? He's just a Flacco BASHER stirring things up.

This guy lines up against both quarterbacks every single day and feels that Troy SMith is the best Qb that gives us the best chance to win. What would make him say that? Is Flacco really that much of an A-hole in the locker room that suggs doesn't like him? Or is it that Troy is that much better on the field that makes Suggs respect him more? hmmm...

Why does suggs feel that way? Cuz he wants to win now, this season. Not at the expense of teaching a rookie. We look at it as fans he looks at it as a PLAYER.[/quote]

And you think Derrick Mason is just wrong then? Derrick Mason sees it as a player too, and he's all for Flacco. What you need to ask yourself is this: What's the difference between Derrick Mason's perspective and Suggs' perspective?

There's more to Suggs' comments than just that little tidbit. Feel free to assume it's all about his desire to win. I think there's other baggage as well. In the end, it doesn't much matter. The coaches decide and when it comes down to it, neither Suggs' issues or our opinions weigh much on what they're going to do.

[Ravenoid]

I know one thing and that is that I don't know squat about playing quarterback at the pro, college OR high school level but I dooooooo have an opinion. SO WHAT. I just want to "Win Baby!"

[BuckWilds]

[url="http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2008/10/suggs_being_suggs.html"]http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/rav...eing_suggs.html[/url]

Suggs clarifies. Updated at 4:03pm on Wednesday. Either the coaches have him under control or he was misunderstood for the most part. Here it just looks like he wants to see Troy on the field - as many people do, no matter who they think the starter should be.

[rayvenfan_52]

good thing Mike Duffy cleared a lot of stuff up for us.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Zhamtao' post='78724' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:30 PM']And you think Derrick Mason is just wrong then? Derrick Mason sees it as a player too, and he's all for Flacco. What you need to ask yourself is this: What's the difference between Derrick Mason's perspective and Suggs' perspective?

There's more to Suggs' comments than just that little tidbit. Feel free to assume it's all about his desire to win. I think there's other baggage as well. In the end, it doesn't much matter. The coaches decide and when it comes down to it, neither Suggs' issues or our opinions weigh much on what they're going to do.[/quote]



Mason is going to ride with who ever the starter is, just as we should. He has to show the starting QB that he believe's in him. How else would they have chemistry? Mason is a Pro's Pro and understands what needs to be done to help his QB no matter who it is. How many times have you heard him say he was behind Boller as the starter? That is his job!

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='78737' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:48 PM']Mason is going to ride with who ever the starter is, just as we should. He has to show the starting QB that he believe's in him. How else would they have chemistry? Mason is a Pro's Pro and understands what needs to be done to help his QB no matter who it is. How many times have you heard him say he was behind Boller as the starter? That is his job! [/quote]

I don't think he's the kind of guy that just blows sunshine up other people's rear ends... And by that logic, Ray Lewis is just a sunshine blower too. They don't strike me as the kind of guys to do that. Furthermore, that logic supports the idea that only naysayers are telling the truth.

I believe in the character of Ray and Derrick over some negative commentary from Suggs - commentary he seems to have at least partially refuted later on.

[mpplaya07]

it doesnt make a difference,,, no player should oppose their starting QB.... that shows that he doesnt have faith in the coaches decision... We dont need distractions internally because thats how teams fall apart......

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='mpplaya07' post='78741' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:58 PM']it doesnt make a difference,,, no player should oppose their starting QB.... that shows that he doesnt have faith in the coaches decision... We dont need distractions internally because thats how teams fall apart......[/quote]
Not entirely true. Lawrence Taylor never liked Phil Simms but they still won a superbowl together. LOL. LT admitted it to Simm's on a TV program and then Simm's picked LT to throw a pass to at a ceremony @ Giants Stadium. Teammates don't have to be friends just respect each other. I hope T Sizzle doesn't fizzle out. I hope he starts playing better, stop lining up off sides and getting other dumb penalties.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='78735' date='Oct 22 2008, 05:47 PM']good thing Mike Duffy cleared a lot of stuff up for us.[/quote]

Yes, everyone check out the main team site and watch Mike Duffy's update in which Suggs clarifies what he said!

[Black&Purple]

Well if Suggs says Troy needs to start, he needs to start. I mean he runs the routes, and knows the timing and he can evaluate whether or not Joe is doing a good job or not..... oh wait..

Give me Mason or Heap saying that and I will THINK about getting on the Troy Smith band wagon, but until then he can hold that clip board.

[theFRANCHISE]

I really didn't want to chime in, but after thinking about Suggs' comments, I had a thought:

Don't you think some players on the team might be inclined towards Troy Smith because they're [u]friends[/u] with the guy? Or just 'cause they've been teammates with the guy for longer than Flacco, and therefore, have seen more of Smith than Flacco by default?

Friendship and familiarity shapes a lot of opinions, some more right or wrong than others.

Just something to consider...

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='itlstl7' post='78545' date='Oct 22 2008, 12:36 PM'][url="http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/22/suggs-lobbies-for-troy-smith/"]http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/10/22/...for-troy-smith/[/url]

Wow! I know this is going to cause alot of craziness once again on this board but this is quite a statement by Sizzle... It's funny cause in a way Sizzle is saying what alot of the Troy supporters have been saying on these boards... interesting...any thoughts?[/quote]
WOW I'm appalled that T Sizzle would make that comment. Obviously, Coach has voted for Flacco to start and T-Sizzle should be on board with the team. Shame on him, not a team player

[die_hard_raven]

As one person has already said I see where T-Sizzle is coming from. From a players perspective they all want to win now. They don't want to play their heart out and not be able to reap the benefits a year or two down the road. I'm not saying Troy is better so pls don't assume I'm saying that. I would love to see Troy play but I'm trying to make a fair comment and not be biased. Flacco is they guy now so I will support him. The team does not need decention. Things like this can become a problem over time as we all know, especially with a rookie coach. They all need to support eachother and let the coach and staff decide who they feel will give the team the best chance to win.

[kash96ravenstotalfan]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78630' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:36 PM']OK, I didnt root for Flacco from day one, my old posts would say that, I said Flacco should sit at least half a year because he wasnt ready.

Boller got injured, smith got sick.

Flacco started- I supported him of course...

Smith lost 20 pounds of muscle mass, This takes a looong time to get back, some guys may gain 10-20 pounds in an offseason, not usually anything thats a quick fix.

Flacco has had bad games, hes had decent games, I've been frustrated with his decisions sometimes, but a young QB will do that

Troy may not even be back to healthy, therefore wouldnt be ready to go back into a gametime situation. In practice he doesnt take any shots like he would in a game.

Troy has less starts than flacco, against backups in one of his starts. The only really positive is the lack of INT's but I think Flacco can fix this as time goes on.

All I'm trying to say is
1.) Troy may not be healthy
2.) Troy will be rusty
3.) Flacco can get better
4.) The coaches like Flacco for whatever reason

It seems like many people put one guy before the whole team, ironic because of my screenname probably, but I havent called for him from day 1 at all. I'm a Flacco bandwagoner because of my name, not because of my views?

I support the Ravens, and I like Joe.... I would support Troy as well, much like I did preseason.[/quote]
Why do we continually have these posts about the Ravens QB? Joe Flacco is our starter as proclaimed by Coach. Let's just accept that fact and get on with it. GO RAVENS

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='PuRock' post='78687' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:36 PM']You are king at comparing apples to oranges.

Mike Vick to cancer patients
Brandon Marshall to Troy Smith

Brandon Marshall is a proven WR. There was no doubt as to who the starter was going to be. He is a top 5 WR in the league. He wasn't going to lose his spot to Eddie Royal. It wasn't even debatable, however our starting QB situation was. It's not like Smith was a top 5 quarterback coming into this season.[/quote]

Fruit is fruit.

You seem to always miss the point of what I'm trying to get at. It's not about who the player is or how good a player is, it's the scenario the players in. So since your not good with analogies i'll try to be more plain.

-Denver didn't go jumping all over Eddie Royal (a rookie who filled in for a starter) after 1 good game because he played great.
-After Cinci and Cleveland everyone in Ravens World hopped on Flacco's back (a rookie who filled in for a starter) and deemed him the next messiah bcuz he played great.

-Brandon Marshal or The "supposed starter" got a tough break, lost his chance to start the season and missed the first few weeks of football (remember no job is guaranteed)
-Troy Smith or The "supposed starter" got a tough break, lost his chance to start the season and missed the first few weeks of football

-Eddie Royal was given an opportunity in place of a missing starter, he stepped up and played fairly well.
-Joe Flacco was given an opportunity in place of a missing starter, he stepped up and played fairly well.

-Brandon Marshal did NOT lose his job after being replaced (royal) bcuz he was out of football for several weeks. (Disproving the Tom Brady theory.)
-Troy Smith how ever DID lose his job after being replaced (flacco) bcuz he was out of football for several weeks.

Now according to the Flacco/Smith philosophy how can a starter miss several games, get replaced by a guy who plays exceptional, but still be given the opportunity to return back to his position as the starter once he is capable of playing again?? Brandon Marshal or not.

What's the argument for Flacco again?? Troy lost his chance and now its too late for him to get it back bcuz that's how it goes in the NFL? Right? The Tom Brady theory, I believe. Neepo this is your area of expertise you always talk about how a starters spot isn't guaranteed no matter how good he is, something about losing their chance and shouldn't be allowed to have it back bczu that's life in the NFL?

How come this rule (the SAME rule that applies to the SAME scenario in Baltimore) doesn't apply to Brandon Marshal? He is a starter...that was replaced...by a great athlete...who was just as capable....but for some reason, there was an exception to the part that says "it doesn't matter how good you are you can be replaced"

How come this rule (the SAME rule that didn't apply to the SAME scenario in Denver) only applies to Troy Smith? He is a starter...that was replaced....by a great athlete...who was just as capable...but for some reason there wasn't an exception to the part that says "it doesn't mater how good you are you can be replaced"


This is the main argument for why Flacco should remain the starter, so why doesn't it apply to Brandon Marshal? (don't say skill set, That Marshal has more skill than Royal, because arguably Smith has more skill than Flacco. Don't say it's bcuz Qb position is different than the WR position bcuz this rule applies to Starters not positions)

I'll tell you why. Bcuz this rule isn't set in stone. This rule is BS and doesn't exist. This rule was made up by fans that only want to see Flacco start even if he's not the best player. And the only way they can justify it is to say Troy had his Shot and lost it now it's Flaccos turn, oh well. Smith was going to be the starter in 2008 for a reason just as Bradon Marshal is the starter in Denver for a reason. He should be given, at least, a chance to get his job back. For a reason...

p.s. If you're tired of the qb post...simply stop going to the thread. No need in pulling your hair out over hypotheticals. It's just something to talk about.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='78566' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:19 PM']He has been saying a lot of stuff lately.
Like saying we have a bounty out for Hines Ward.Why would he say that?[/quote]
im a fan and i would like to knock the hell out of hines ward he play dirty and get away with stuff he broke keith rivers jaw its the bengals so i dont care about that anyway but he might try and get one of ours next

[Byrdz]

[quote name='itlstl7' post='78572' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:31 PM']haha seriously the guy says some down right dumb things... I'm hoping this thread doesnt turn into a "is Suggs right or wrong?" thread cause we are all tired of the qb debate... hopefully it can become more of a "whats Suggs problem" or "why whould Suggs say that?" thread haha but it's funny cause alot of people who supported TS got labeled as not being true fans so just like RavensIQ i'll be curious to see if everyone treats Suggs an actual "player" and good player at that the same way alot of the TS supporters got treated....i.e. you dont know what you are talking about... your not a true fan...or ...even though it's your opinion i must judge you, etc... haha[/quote]
good one everybody will show they hand i due time

[Byrdz]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78581' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:53 PM']Here's a question to ask yourself...Is Terrel Suggs the ONLY player who feels Troy should start? After all he plays with the man, practices with the man, he sees in person what each can do, what each brings to the table. He plays DEFENSE AGAINST the man and feels Troy is the better of the 2. He rides the same bus as the man, don't you think he would have a better idea of what Troy or Flacco can do than lets say one of us who have never seen or have even been to a real practice in person yet alone participated in one? and he does it everyday but what does he know right? He's just a Flacco BASHER stirring things up.

This guy lines up against both quarterbacks every single day and feels that Troy SMith is the best Qb that gives us the best chance to win. What would make him say that? Is Flacco really that much of an A-hole in the locker room that suggs doesn't like him? Or is it that Troy is that much better on the field that makes Suggs respect him more? hmmm...

Why does suggs feel that way? Cuz he wants to win now, this season. Not at the expense of teaching a rookie. We look at it as fans he looks at it as a PLAYER.[/quote]
and when a Defensive players says that and its coming from a raven that let you know he might be working the D in practice. after all troy does practice against the best D in football everyday. Whats that line HMMM Golden Boy

[Byrdz]

[quote name='PuRock' post='78596' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:42 PM']Thanks Duffy. I think it's only one or two people making a bigger deal than what it really is. I think the key in his conversation was "I'm no offensive coordinatoor, so I don't know. That's just my opinion. Maybe I'm just a Madden guy"[/quote]
when a player and game think the same thing you should start to question yourself

[neepo13]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='78790' date='Oct 22 2008, 08:58 PM']athletes with no brains dont jump a route and pick six[/quote]

You dont have to be smart to be a good football player or a playmaker in any league.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' post='78613' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:08 PM']ya, well he also has 1 less TD than our starting QB[/quote]
now how that make flacco look like a defensive player

[rlh445]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78581' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:53 PM']Here's a question to ask yourself...Is Terrel Suggs the ONLY player who feels Troy should start? After all he plays with the man, practices with the man, he sees in person what each can do, what each brings to the table. He plays DEFENSE AGAINST the man and feels Troy is the better of the 2. He rides the same bus as the man, don't you think he would have a better idea of what Troy or Flacco can do than lets say one of us who have never seen or have even been to a real practice in person yet alone participated in one? and he does it everyday but what does he know right? He's just a Flacco BASHER stirring things up.

This guy lines up against both quarterbacks every single day and feels that Troy SMith is the best Qb that gives us the best chance to win. What would make him say that? Is Flacco really that much of an A-hole in the locker room that suggs doesn't like him? Or is it that Troy is that much better on the field that makes Suggs respect him more? hmmm...

Why does suggs feel that way? Cuz he wants to win now, this season. Not at the expense of teaching a rookie. We look at it as fans he looks at it as a PLAYER.[/quote]


Lol..I just have to say, I was waiting for Ravens*coughIQcough* to sprout up. Where were you Sunday, bud? When Flacco played a good game? Nowhere. NOWHERE. I didn't even do you the honor of reading your post, because it'll just be a bunch of B.S. about how Suggs is right. Suggs wants Troy in because 'Troy's his boy'. Nothing more, nothing less. I doubt Suggs can even spell cat, but he's a damn good LB. He just threw his ENTIRE TEAM under the bus because of his kinship with Troy. Nice, real nice.

[Marc2k6]

This is a case of telling a story to a friend and by the time it gets to the 10th person it is a different story or just taking out of context. You may here one part that was said without hearing everything that was said and if you do not get it all then you really did not get it.
What Suggs said was not a big deal!

[72Marshall]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78589' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:33 PM']I wish you guys would have been this civil about it when myself and others suggested someone other than Flacco be given a chance.

I believe the whole argument on this board referred to who was the better player and who gave us the best chance to win. When did it become about players, opinions, locker room, unity? I can't speak for others but I myself took a beatdown for stating the obvious aka the truth and going outside the box with my opinions. But my opinions weren't opinions..they were treasonous statements that proved my disloyalty to this team.

I gotta say I'm quite disappointed that the Flacco supporters(ravens fans) aren't making their arguments in the usual either your with us or against usmanner. I thought you guys would put up more of a fight.

But it's kinda hard when a pro bowler, team leader, franchise player, Terrel Suggs(former 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK) stands on our side of the argument, now isn't it?[/quote]
<[i]no personal attacks, no political message[/i]s>

[Baltboy]

[quote name='Baltboy' post='78566' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:19 PM']He has been saying a lot of stuff lately.
Like saying we have a bounty out for Hines Ward.Why would he say that?[/quote]
[quote name='Byrdz' post='78785' date='Oct 22 2008, 08:48 PM']im a fan and i would like to knock the hell out of hines ward he play dirty and get away with stuff he broke keith rivers jaw its the bengals so i dont care about that anyway but he might try and get one of ours next[/quote]

I'm with ya but you don't say that on a radio show for everybody to hear.
Now we have a riff with the NFL investigating the bounty.
I love Suggs,he cracks me up but he needs to think a little before he says some of the stuff he says.