Suggs Wants Troy Smith!

[ravens27]

If I remember correctly, Suggs attended Ocho Cinco/Owens University majoring in manners.

[MKdave]

[quote name='PuRock' post='78596' date='Oct 22 2008, 07:42 PM']Thanks Duffy. I think it's only one or two people making a bigger deal than what it really is. I think the key in his conversation was "I'm no offensive coordinatoor, so I don't know. That's just my opinion. Maybe I'm just a Madden guy"[/quote]

Exactly. Like I said at the very beggining, it's his opinion and he is, ofcourse, entitled to it. But, because it's something [offense, and quarterbacking] that he doesn't know as much about as the people who are making the decision, he should really be leaving it to them. But if it really went down how he says it does, then he didn't really do anything wrong or disruptive. I guess if he wants to suggest some wrinkles, that could only benefit the team.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='DuffRaven' post='78592' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:39 PM']Hey all. This is getting blown way out of proportion. Here's what Sizzle said in the locker room today. I was there, so this is from my transcription of the interview.

[b]What about comments you made saying that Troy Smith should be the starter?[/b]

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78553' date='Oct 22 2008, 12:54 PM']It's been more than 5 minutes and this thread has only 2 replies? Cat got ya tongue?[/quote]

Troy bandwagoners are frustrating...

Anyway...It was said, its a defensive player, hes probably frustrated with the picks because it put the d in bad situations, made them look bad.

It doesnt matter, suggsis a great player, and I am obviously a flacco supporter, but that doesnt mean I can't like suggs now.

Suggs isnt a coach, he shouldnt be saying this but oh well as long as he supports the new coaching regime and goes out and proves he deserves the money he is asking for

[Mahatma_Sloth]

[quote name='MKdave' post='78563' date='Oct 22 2008, 11:16 AM']Well, I wouldn't blame them seeing as Suggs keeps finding new ways to stab the Ravens in the back. I was fine with him asking for more money with the Tag, but he has been unreasonable in contract negotiations and now publicly speaking against the coaches decision, on the other side of the ball no less. Like I said, a place where he has no authority.

I reeeally hope we don't bow down to this guy and send Scott to the curb at the end of the year. The guy keeps his mouth shut off the field and gives his all for the team. Something that is apparently a foreign concept to Suggs.[/quote]

ya, well he also has 1 less TD than our starting QB

[Guest Moderator 5]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78601' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:54 PM']To much Qb controversy.[/quote]

Oh the irony.

[MKdave]

[quote name='Mahatma_Sloth' post='78613' date='Oct 22 2008, 08:08 PM']ya, well he also has 1 less TD than our starting QB[/quote]

does that make him a quarterback? does that make him an O coordinator? does that make him a GM? does that give him any ground to decide who the quarterback is?
No. Shut up.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78589' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:33 PM']I wish you guys would have been this civil about it when myself and others suggested someone other than Flacco be given a chance.

I believe the whole argument on this board referred to who was the better player and who gave us the best chance to win. When did it become about players, opinions, locker room, unity? I can't speak for others but I myself took a beatdown for stating the obvious aka the truth and going outside the box with my opinions. But my opinions weren't opinions..they were treasonous statements that proved my disloyalty to this team.

I gotta say I'm quite disappointed that the Flacco supporters(ravens fans) aren't making their arguments in the usual either your with us or against usmanner. I thought you guys would put up more of a fight.

But it's kinda hard when a pro bowler, team leader, franchise player, Terrel Suggs(former 1ST ROUND DRAFT PICK) stands on our side of the argument, now isn't it?[/quote]

Why must you try to stir everything up, look your guy is the backup DEAL WITH IT JESUS! stop pouting and whining like a little kid because "Troy is better than Flacco"

Just support the team, Who cares who is the starting qb

Also, one DEFENSIVE player saying he'd rather have troy in means nothing, the coaches know who is better prepared for the games, and who gives us the best chance to win.

It always has to be a fight to you

[#1 D]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='78578' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:47 PM']I AGREE!! these people need to GET OVER IT.. Coach harbaugh made the decision. Its not our decision as fans or anyone else's choice to decide who starts.. I doubt Suggs will be here next year...He's a good player and I think he will continue to be a good player BUT he needs to take lessons from Ray lewis.. Support your coach's decision.. & SHUT UP!!!!![/quote]
I think we'll get suggs to sign a long-term deal...but hey, people have a right to speak their mind. I mean i bet a lot of Browns fans and players want Brady Quinn to start over Derek Anderson, but nothin happenin....well i know it's different scenarios, but same quarterback situation sort of thing.

[Guest Moderator 5]

Guys - you need to chill out and keep it civil. It's very simple - no personal attacks.

I did lock this but, as it's a hot topic and as I have faith you CAN be civil to one another, please try to 1) stay on topic and 2) be courteous to other posters.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78618' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:13 PM']Why must you try to stir everything up, look your guy is the backup DEAL WITH IT JESUS! stop pouting and whining like a little kid because "Troy is better than Flacco"

Just support the team, Who cares who is the starting qb

Also, one DEFENSIVE player saying he'd rather have troy in means nothing, the coaches know who is better prepared for the games, and who gives us the best chance to win.

It always has to be a fight to you[/quote]

You're right. I don't wanna fight. I'd much rather hold hands and skip through some flowers

Let's face it...this board is boring for the most part if there isn't something to disagree on. Look how many pages the Qb controversy created. Much more fun to talk about. Isn't that what people want? A healthy debate between points of views? Or is this a message board where you can only post your love notes? A debate is basically a non physical fight between opinions...some call em arguments. If everybody agreed on everything it would be kinda lame.

You're the one that likes to shoot people down for not sharing the same opinion as you. Again...I never said I wanted Troy to start so I guess he's not my guy after all or is he? You decide, you're the one that likes to make my decisions for me.

I say let someone else have an opportunity to step up and make our team better.

[macbrak]

I saw this and thought ack not again...

Can this be the last qb thread, its getting old. Lets think about this logically:

So we sit our first round draft pick who's making a metric crapload of cash on the bench after giving him a taste, possibly ruining his confidence for an equally unproven (actually less proven) qb? Its now obvious that Todd Bouman was never picked up to be a permanent 2nd QB and that Troy is finally healthy enough to be #2.

I have the utmost respect for Troy and think he has the leadership qualities needed to be a good qb but I don't see what long term gain will be had if he's dropped in right now, its a gamble I'd be unwilling to take with the sunk cost in Flacco. He got the cosmic whammy of uncontrollable coincidences but I can't see how we can change courses to someone who didn't rise above what our situation was last year.

Maybe he should have been put in, in some other games last year to get some value of a sinking season. But there are many maybe's and one starting qb spot.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

OK, I didnt root for Flacco from day one, my old posts would say that, I said Flacco should sit at least half a year because he wasnt ready.

Boller got injured, smith got sick.

Flacco started- I supported him of course...

Smith lost 20 pounds of muscle mass, This takes a looong time to get back, some guys may gain 10-20 pounds in an offseason, not usually anything thats a quick fix.

Flacco has had bad games, hes had decent games, I've been frustrated with his decisions sometimes, but a young QB will do that

Troy may not even be back to healthy, therefore wouldnt be ready to go back into a gametime situation. In practice he doesnt take any shots like he would in a game.

Troy has less starts than flacco, against backups in one of his starts. The only really positive is the lack of INT's but I think Flacco can fix this as time goes on.

All I'm trying to say is
1.) Troy may not be healthy
2.) Troy will be rusty
3.) Flacco can get better
4.) The coaches like Flacco for whatever reason

It seems like many people put one guy before the whole team, ironic because of my screenname probably, but I havent called for him from day 1 at all. I'm a Flacco bandwagoner because of my name, not because of my views?

I support the Ravens, and I like Joe.... I would support Troy as well, much like I did preseason.

[bossman419]

I would guess sizzle doesn't want to play for the Baltimore Ravens next year... but with duffy's comment i dont think that is the case. he should just rush the passer and let the coaches coach.

im still in favor for the suggs for boldin trade btw...

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78581' date='Oct 22 2008, 01:53 PM']Here's a question to ask yourself...Is Terrel Suggs the ONLY player who feels Troy should start? After all he plays with the man, practices with the man, he sees in person what each can do, what each brings to the table. He plays DEFENSE AGAINST the man and feels Troy is the better of the 2. He rides the same bus as the man, don't you think he would have a better idea of what Troy or Flacco can do than lets say one of us who have never seen or have even been to a real practice in person yet alone participated in one? and he does it everyday but what does he know right? He's just a Flacco BASHER stirring things up.

This guy lines up against both quarterbacks every single day and feels that Troy SMith is the best Qb that gives us the best chance to win. What would make him say that? Is Flacco really that much of an A-hole in the locker room that suggs doesn't like him? Or is it that Troy is that much better on the field that makes Suggs respect him more? hmmm...

Why does suggs feel that way? Cuz he wants to win now, this season. Not at the expense of teaching a rookie. We look at it as fans he looks at it as a PLAYER.[/quote]

See the thing is... IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE HELL THE PLAYERS WANT TO START!!!!! its COACH HARBAUGHS DECISION. TRUE FANS SUPPORT THE COACH'S DECISIONS!!!!!!!

[bossman419]

chill out, we don't need to question each others "FANHOOD"

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='DuffRaven' post='78592' date='Oct 22 2008, 02:39 PM']Hey all. This is getting blown way out of proportion. Here's what Sizzle said in the locker room today. I was there, so this is from my transcription of the interview.

[b]What about comments you made saying that Troy Smith should be the starter?[/b]

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Can we all just get along?? Are all of us rooting for the same team? I also was excited for Troy starting the season, but wait he got sick! So I guess they had to pick someone to be the Qb, oh right maybe the guy we drafted JOE. I understand you guys think Troy desserves a chance, but how do you guys suppose he gets his chance?? Anyone?? How does anyone know Troy gives us the best chance?? Should we sit Flacco and put Troy in now? Would that make sense? If we were 6-0 or 5-1 this would not even be a discussion!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Lets_Go_Joe' post='78630' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:36 PM']OK, I didnt root for Flacco from day one, my old posts would say that, I said Flacco should sit at least half a year because he wasnt ready.

Boller got injured, smith got sick.

Flacco started- I supported him of course...

Smith lost 20 pounds of muscle mass, This takes a looong time to get back, some guys may gain 10-20 pounds in an offseason, not usually anything thats a quick fix.

Flacco has had bad games, hes had decent games, I've been frustrated with his decisions sometimes, but a young QB will do that

Troy may not even be back to healthy, therefore wouldnt be ready to go back into a gametime situation. In practice he doesnt take any shots like he would in a game.

Troy has less starts than flacco, against backups in one of his starts. The only really positive is the lack of INT's but I think Flacco can fix this as time goes on.

All I'm trying to say is
1.) Troy may not be healthy
2.) Troy will be rusty
3.) Flacco can get better
4.) The coaches like Flacco for whatever reason

It seems like many people put one guy before the whole team, ironic because of my screenname probably, but I havent called for him from day 1 at all. I'm a Flacco bandwagoner because of my name, not because of my views?

I support the Ravens, and I like Joe.... I would support Troy as well, much like I did preseason.[/quote]

Nicely said. I totally agree with you. I think where we differ isn't in who should start but what makes our team better or gives us the best chance to win. You believe Flacco should remain the starter. I believe the best player should be the starter. My question is, who is that player? I don't know. It could be Troy it could be Bauman and may well be Flacco. Which is why I call for Troy getting a chance or even Bauman. I just think we shouldn't take all options off the table and box ourselves in as a team, not a franchise. 2008 is all I care about.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78645' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:49 PM']Nicely said. I totally agree with you. I think where we differ isn't in who should start but what makes our team better or gives us the best chance to win. You believe Flacco should remain the starter. I believe the best player should be the starter. My question is, who is that player? I don't know. It could be Troy it could be Bauman and may well be Flacco. Which is why I call for Troy getting a chance or even Bauman. I just think we shouldn't take all options off the table and box ourselves in as a team, not a franchise. 2008 is all I care about.[/quote]
Glad we could get back to normal civilized people lol, no worries, I understand your p.o.v.

I just dont know how you can justify taking Joe out at this point I guess....

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78645' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:49 PM']Nicely said. I totally agree with you. I think where we differ isn't in who should start but what makes our team better or gives us the best chance to win. You believe Flacco should remain the starter. I believe the best player should be the starter. My question is, who is that player? I don't know. It could be Troy it could be Bauman and may well be Flacco. Which is why I call for Troy getting a chance or even Bauman. I just think we shouldn't take all options off the table and box ourselves in as a team, not a franchise. 2008 is all I care about.[/quote]

How do you suppose Troy or Bauman get their chance?

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='78635' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:42 PM']See the thing is... IS THAT IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE HELL THE PLAYERS WANT TO START!!!!! its COACH HARBAUGHS DECISION. TRUE FANS SUPPORT THE COACH'S DECISIONS!!!!!!![/quote]

So when Billick was the coach and had horrible play calling you agreed with every decision he made?

Why are people getting so mad about someone else thinking another player should get a shot?

If the fans want someone different from who the coach wants (boller comes to mind) how are the less important then the people they are cheering for who want the same exact thing?

Go yell at suggs jeeze.

I support every player who takes the field come game day. All of us do. We all support Joe Flacco I just think some of us are curious to know is he really the best option at this point in his career and our season.

I AM A FLACCO FAN. I LOVE ME SOME FLACCO. but i also love me some WINS.

[Baltboy]

Here's the interview;

[url="http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2"]http://media.putfile.com/Suggs-Radio-2[/url]

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='78651' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:54 PM']How do you suppose Troy or Bauman get their chance?[/quote]

thats been talked about and debated to death go check one of the 7 page threads on qbs. But I'll tell you one thing. Making a commitment like announcing Flacco as the starter prematurely b4 you have all of your options in front of you doesn't do the team any good. Maybe to boost morale but When it comes to W's definitely doesn't help.

Remember when Rookie WR Eddie Royal destroyed the raiders on MNF? The broncos didn't commit to starting Royal the entire season over Brandon Marshal bcuz of how great he played that 1 game. Marshal got back to the team after being out of football for a couple of weeks and look at him now, making them a better team.

What's your take on it? Think they should have taken all their options off the table and kept 1st year rookie Eddie Royal as the #1 Wr? After all he did have a couple of solid games.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78654' date='Oct 22 2008, 03:58 PM']So when Billick was the coach and had horrible play calling you agreed with every decision he made?

Why are people getting so mad about someone else thinking another player should get a shot?

If the fans want someone different from who the coach wants (boller comes to mind) how are the less important then the people they are cheering for who want the same exact thing?

Go yell at suggs jeeze.

I support every player who takes the field come game day. All of us do. We all support Joe Flacco I just think some of us are curious to know is he really the best option at this point in his career and our season.

I AM A FLACCO FAN. I LOVE ME SOME FLACCO. but i also love me some WINS.[/quote]

How about if Flacco is the best option?? We dont know? He may win the next ten in a row ! Thats why we dont sit somebody that may or may not be the best option, to put some one who may or may not be the best option!

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78659' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:07 PM']thats been talked about and debated to death go check one of the 7 page threads on qbs. But I'll tell you one thing. Making a commitment like announcing Flacco as the starter prematurely b4 you have all of your options in front of you doesn't do the team any good. Maybe to boost morale but When it comes to W's definitely doesn't help.

Remember when Rookie WR Eddie Royal destroyed the raiders on MNF? The broncos didn't commit to starting Royal the entire season over Brandon Marshal bcuz of how great he played that 1 game. Marshal got back to the team after being out of football for a couple of weeks and look at him now, making them a better team.

What's your take on it? Think they should have taken all their options off the table and kept 1st year rookie Eddie Royal as the #1 Wr? After all he did have a couple of solid games.[/quote]

I understand what you are saying, but he did start 2-0. Im not saying that should of gave him the starting job, but Troy was not in game shape. He may still not be in game shape? Do you think it will make sense [b][u]now [/u][/b]to sit Flacco to see if Troy is the best option? Troy will get his chance and then he can prove if he is the best option. If troy would of been OK to play the second or third game then yeah no doubt they shoulf of put him in! but now it dont [u]think[/u][b][/b] it will be smart IMO.

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78659' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:07 PM']thats been talked about and debated to death go check one of the 7 page threads on qbs. But I'll tell you one thing. Making a commitment like announcing Flacco as the starter prematurely b4 you have all of your options in front of you doesn't do the team any good. Maybe to boost morale but When it comes to W's definitely doesn't help.

Remember when Rookie WR Eddie Royal destroyed the raiders on MNF? The broncos didn't commit to starting Royal the entire season over Brandon Marshal bcuz of how great he played that 1 game. Marshal got back to the team after being out of football for a couple of weeks and look at him now, making them a better team.

What's your take on it? Think they should have taken all their options off the table and kept 1st year rookie Eddie Royal as the #1 Wr? After all he did have a couple of solid games.[/quote]

But brandon marshall is a top 10 if not top 5 wr

Troy r bouman or flacco are not top 10 qbs in the league, lets be honest lol

[Baltboy]

[quote name='Ravens1990' post='78660' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:08 PM']I am inclined to believe that this is made up.
Suggs, despite being slightly stupid, wouldn't say something like this, I don't think. Suggs is not T.O.[/quote]
By reading Duffy's post it sounds like he's backtracking but he definitely said it.
I posted a link to the interview a few posts up,listen for yourself.

[neepo13]

Good for him. I am sure Bart Scott, Troy Smith's biggest fan would agree to. Everybody has a right to their own opinion, doesnt neccessarily make it a good one. Again, like all the Smith supporters he himself failed to give any solid reasoning for why Smith would be better then Flacco at this point, other then Flacco has struggled.

[tctony]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='78659' date='Oct 22 2008, 04:07 PM']thats been talked about and debated to death go check one of the 7 page threads on qbs. But I'll tell you one thing. Making a commitment like announcing Flacco as the starter prematurely b4 you have all of your options in front of you doesn't do the team any good. Maybe to boost morale but When it comes to W's definitely doesn't help.

Remember when Rookie WR Eddie Royal destroyed the raiders on MNF? The broncos didn't commit to starting Royal the entire season over Brandon Marshal bcuz of how great he played that 1 game. Marshal got back to the team after being out of football for a couple of weeks and look at him now, making them a better team.

What's your take on it? Think they should have taken all their options off the table and kept 1st year rookie Eddie Royal as the #1 Wr? After all he did have a couple of solid games.[/quote]

You know you can't compare WRs and QBs. It's completely different.

You never seem to understand the concept of team unity. Pulling a player out just to "give the other guy a chance" is not beneficial, in any way. We all know that Troy won the QB competition in preseason. He got sick, it doesn't matter anymore. Joe is the starter until he starts throwing 3+ picks consistently every game. Quarterback isn't a position where you pull a guy just to see the other guy. Coach gets to see them everyday in practice, and he chooses the guy he thinks is best.

Ray Lewis likes Flacco. Good enough for me.