Terrell Owens

[Purple_ICE 81]

[b]Disregard This Forum Sorry for making it[/b]

[b]-Purple_ICE81[/b]

[Blex64]

No.

He had his shot, he can rot in arena football.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331966565' post='1025316']
No.

He had his shot, he can rot in arena football.
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He is still a playmaker and has alot of heart left.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1331966879' post='1025318']
He is still a playmaker and has alot of heart left.
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He's a playmaker in the press box, which is what he was always best at. At the public workout he held last year not a single team even sent a low level scout to take a look at him. You claim Lee Evans was a headache? TO will cry about everything in the world at any chance he gets, and if someone tells him to shutup he'll cry about it more. He's an annoying diva who can't keep his mouth shut. If he'd learned when to talk and when to shutup, work hard, and play he'd probably have a ring or two and be a shoe-in HoFer. Instead he's an arrogant toerag and a waste of talent. He had his opportunity to play here and he squandered it, so he can talk all he wants about the AFC championship, he can't find an NFL team to carry him as their 5th WR for the veteran minimum.

He's never had heart, he certainly doesn't have any now. He's got a big mouth and an ego the size of Jupiter.

[Romo Ravens]

You put a lot of thought in to this, so I don't see why you got a negative from a hater. But I just don't feel the need to rent another stopgap veteran when Boldin, Torrey, LaQuan, Doss and hopefully a rookie will take care of business. Add Pitta into the mix, and I just don't see the need for Owens. I personally don't like him, but I'm not letting that get into the way. He turned us down a few years back. Now he desperately needs money, so one has to wonder what his true motivation is.

[baltravens]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1331966394' post='1025314']
[b]DONT FREAK OUT!... [/b]Yes I am making a "what if the Ravens went after T.O. thread" we have all seen them and heard the talk on here before. I have been thinking about whats left of the free agent WRs and always look deep down he charts to see if there are any gold nuggets out there AKA a cheap receiver with decent talent. And there really arent any.

First off I was thinking maybe we go after someone like [b]Braylon Edwards [/b]or [b]Steve Smith(philly).[/b] One of them may come cheap, but harbor lingering injuries-->they both had preliminary knee injuries, then reaggrivated them. So looking at that, and the headache Lee Evans was last year they might possess skills but could be a problem again.

So I started reading up on our old pal T.O. one of the most hated WRs in football along with the Moss', and Ochocinco's. We all know he is currently employed by the indoor football league, making a small salary and most likely is bored to tears. So far in his 2 games that he has played he has caught like 7 balls and 5 of them went for scores so he is pretty much just jogging past the crummy DBs of the IFL.

Let me cut to the chase....I think T.O. can still ball. I think Randy Moss and Chad Ochocinco can still ball too. You dont just wake up one day in your cozy mansion and just randomly lose all your skills, sure you might not be as young and speedy as you once were but as for T.O. he has the body of a 25 year old. My point is that these players sort of choose to play good or not. You can tell when they will get there number called or not because they will be jogging their routes and being lazy if they dont get involved. However I think T.O. is over that as well as Moss because they are just at the point where they just want to win a ring, ad retire, or atleast shoot for a ring one last time. They are over leading the receiving categories and doing endzone celebrations, they just want to help a team win.

I think T.O. is finally 100% healed from his torn ACL suffered over a year ago. If you watch his recent workout that I will link from last October, even at about 80% healthy he looked good. And also I will link his awesome highlights from 2010. And before his ACL injury he would have been a top 5 receiver if he finished his final games of the season.

[url="http://youtu.be/7kHpph-mTFo"]http://youtu.be/7kHpph-mTFo[/url]-Workout

[url="http://youtu.be/xLJhG_0OtAc"]http://youtu.be/xLJhG_0OtAc[/url]-Cincy Highlights


T.O. spoke after the AFC Championship loss to the Patriots saying that you pay receivers to make those big catches and that he could have helped us win that game. And I think his heart is in a perfect spot, and same with Randy Moss. People still think they are divas and what not, I think they are Rocky Balboa hungry to win a superbowl title. And people say they are fat old slow and out of shape, then they turn heads at their workouts.

Maybe Im just a dreamer, desperate for legit receiving threats on this team, but I think the addition of T.O. and a youngin like Floyd, Hill, Quick, Randle in the draft would paint our offense dirty dangerous. Cam cameron would have no choice but to start coloring up our playbook a bit.

At a veterans minimum or close too it....I wouldnt mind having T.O. in purple and black.
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And, don't freak out, this cancer played himself right out of the league.

[Ravenslifer]

No. Randy Moss on a cheap deal I'd have considered - he's not a locker room cancer. T.O.? First off, if he has no respect for Donovan McNabb, a 5 time pro bowler who'd already taken his team to 2 NFC Championship Games, why would he have any respect for Joe Flacco? Second of all, the man is 38 years old - he'll be 39 in December. 3rd he has hands of butter - easily the worst hands of all the all-time-great receivers I can think of. And finally, he always finds a way to divide locker rooms - just because Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are great leaders doesn't mean T.O. won't find a way to divide the locker room. He always has, in every place he's stayed more than one season. The front office was so freaked out about Torrey's lack of PRESEASON production they coughed up a fourth round pick for Lee Evans, who was an expensive injury-situation. T.O. might come cheaper, but I bet he'll still get hurt. And that would be the 12th new starting WR/TE Joe would have to work with in 5 seasons.

[gabefergy]

T.O. has his chance to be a Raven.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331967112' post='1025319']

He's a playmaker in the press box, which is what he was always best at. At the public workout he held last year not a single team even sent a low level scout to take a look at him. You claim Lee Evans was a headache? TO will cry about everything in the world at any chance he gets, and if someone tells him to shutup he'll cry about it more. He's an annoying diva who can't keep his mouth shut. If he'd learned when to talk and when to shutup, work hard, and play he'd probably have a ring or two and be a shoe-in HoFer. Instead he's an arrogant toerag and a waste of talent. He had his opportunity to play here and he squandered it, so he can talk all he wants about the AFC championship, he can't find an NFL team to carry him as their 5th WR for the veteran minimum.

He's never had heart, he certainly doesn't have any now. He's got a big mouth and an ego the size of Jupiter.
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Lee was a headache BECAUSE OF INJURY. Did you watch T.O. play in Cincy? He looked astounding for his age. He was still blowing by receivers and running decent routes. He caught 222yards and 3tds in a game against the Browns. I think he DOES have heart. Just because he didnt win any superbowls doesnt mean squat. He is the 3rd best receiver of all time statistically and you could even put him in the top 5 as far as talent goes. He is a shoe-in hall of famer, and peoples only excuse is that he is a lockerroom cancer. Honestly I think T.O. is done with that. I didnt hear a peep from him when he was at Cincy. These players come to a point in time where they can look at the man in the mirror and emulate the fact that they are indeed MEN and will start acting mature. Put yourself in his shoes, do you think at this point he is going to be super-dooper selfish, I say Heck No. Sure its in his nature to be selfish, and a so called diva, I just think like Randy Moss he just wants to play and shoot for a Sb one last time.

And FYI the reason no one came to his workouts because he was barely recovered from his knee injury and the season was half way over anyway. And as I watch him at his October workout...as a doctor him being only 7 months recovered from what should have been a 6-10Month to even a year recover period, and at his age was pretty damn good.

I see talent left in T.O. he could still be help to us.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1331967746' post='1025326']
No. Randy Moss on a cheap deal I'd have considered - he's not a locker room cancer. T.O.? First off, if he has no respect for Donovan McNabb, a 5 time pro bowler who'd already taken his team to 2 NFC Championship Games, why would he have any respect for Joe Flacco? Second of all, the man is 38 years old - he'll be 39 in December. 3rd he has hands of butter - easily the worst hands of all the all-time-great receivers I can think of. And finally, he always finds a way to divide locker rooms - just because Ray Lewis and Ed Reed are great leaders doesn't mean T.O. won't find a way to divide the locker room. He always has, in every place he's stayed more than one season. [b]The front office was so freaked out about Torrey's lack of PRESEASON production they coughed up a fourth round pick for Lee Evans, who was an expensive injury-situation.[/b] T.O. might come cheaper, but I bet he'll still get hurt. And that would be the 12th new starting WR/TE Joe would have to work with in 5 seasons.
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Uh....no.

[Blex64]

Let's break this down.

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1331968269' post='1025329']
Lee was a headache BECAUSE OF INJURY. Did you watch T.O. play in Cincy?[/quote]

Yes. I watched him play two years ago. Two years is a long time, especially with an ACL tear in between.

[quote]He looked astounding for his age. He was still blowing by receivers and running decent routes. He caught 222yards and 3tds in a game against the Browns.[/quote]

The Browns? How impressive. They're a real powerhouse.

[quote] I think he DOES have heart. Just because he didnt win any superbowls doesnt mean squat. He is the 3rd best receiver of all time statistically and you could even put him in the top 5 as far as talent goes.[/quote]

Stats are certainly the most important thing to look at in 39 year-old receivers who are over a year removed from professional football who actually managed to talk their way out of the league.


[quote]He is a shoe-in hall of famer, and peoples only excuse is that he is a lockerroom cancer.[/quote]

People have to respect you for you to be in the hall of fame.

[quote]Honestly I think T.O. is done with that.[/quote]

He wasn't after the AFC championship so...no, not really.

[quote]I didnt hear a peep from him when he was at Cincy. These players come to a point in time where they can look at the man in the mirror and emulate the fact that they are indeed MEN and will start acting mature. Put yourself in his shoes, do you think at this point he is going to be super-dooper selfish, I say Heck No. Sure its in his nature to be selfish, and a so called diva, I just think like Randy Moss he just wants to play and shoot for a Sb one last time.[/quote]

So he MIGHT have started acting like an adult at the age of 40 and this is supposed to impress me? I'm quite nearly half his age but I don't act like a spoiled child and throw temper tantrums, on tv or otherwise, every time things don't go my way. I certainly wouldn't do it if I was making millions of dollars a year to play a game. No, I wouldn't be selfish if I was him. But I'm not him, and he's had 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances.

[quote]And FYI the reason no one came to his workouts because he was barely recovered from his knee injury and the season was half way over anyway.[/quote]

Oh is that why? Surely another year removed someone would have picked him up right? Oh wait...nope he's an owner/player in arena football.

[quote]And as I watch him at his October workout...as a doctor him being only 7 months recovered from what should have been a 6-10Month to even a year recover period, and at his age was pretty damn good.[/quote]

Glad he looked good to you. Are you an NFL scout and/or a physician?

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331968296' post='1025330']

Uh....no.
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Well if you compare Lee Evans to Brandon Marshall-Marshall just got traded for two 3rd round picks so the trade for Lee for the 4th on that note was kind of expensive.

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331968869' post='1025331']
Let's break this down.



Yes. I watched him play two years ago. Two years is a long time, especially with an ACL tear in between.



The Browns? How impressive. They're a real powerhouse.



Stats are certainly the most important thing to look at in 39 year-old receivers who are over a year removed from professional football who actually managed to talk their way out of the league.




People have to respect you for you to be in the hall of fame.



He wasn't after the AFC championship so...no, not really.



So he MIGHT have started acting like an adult at the age of 40 and this is supposed to impress me? I'm quite nearly half his age but I don't act like a spoiled child and throw temper tantrums, on tv or otherwise, every time things don't go my way. I certainly wouldn't do it if I was making millions of dollars a year to play a game. No, I wouldn't be selfish if I was him. But I'm not him, and he's had 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th chances.



Oh is that why? Surely another year removed someone would have picked him up right? Oh wait...nope he's an owner/player in arena football.



Glad he looked good to you. Are you an NFL scout and/or a physician?
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Nope...just a licensed MD and Radiologist. Wow you truely HATE T.O. dont ya? Just like I truely hate Vontaze Burfict. You raid some good points though, it was just a thought. I agree he is a very immature person in nature but just watching his highlights and stuff(even against real [b]Powerhouses lol) [/b]he did play well.

Yea he hasnt played in a long while but he looks in good enough shape to play in the NFL still. He was one of the biggest divas of all time, he was selfish, self centered blah blah blah. But in reality as I said about Randy Moss....its nearly certain that we wont sign him, I just came across one of his highlight reels from Cincy and watched his workout and see him catching every pass in the IFL for a TD and think he could still play at a relatively high level.

But what do I know Im just a stupid doctor who plays too much Madden football I guess.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331968869' post='1025331']
The Browns? How impressive. They're a real powerhouse.

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The same Browns that shut your boy Flacco down 2 times last season? Quan had 2 receptions for 30 something yards.

I understand your hate for T.O. I dont like him either. But i won't deny his ability. Had T.O. been thrown that ball that Evans could've made a TD, you'd probaby have to break his arm to strip it from him. I dont see why he isn't worth a shot.

[Irish Raven]

Lets the young players play said Bisciotti

If it means anything I was reading the Bills forum for the Mario Williams story and there was a lot of posts asking to bring TO.
If he returns to the league Buffalo may be the only suitor.

Of course message boards are not front office policy but they is less opposition up there and Ryan Fitzpatrick has trained with him

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331971287' post='1025334']
The same Browns that shut your boy Flacco down 2 times last season? Quan had 2 receptions for 30 something yards.

I understand your hate for T.O. I dont like him either. But i won't deny his ability. Had T.O. been thrown that ball that Evans could've made a TD, you'd probaby have to break his arm to strip it from him. I dont see why he isn't worth a shot.
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im assuming you got negged for the first part, but that last part, id be willing to bet, it that was TO he would have been doing a dance and we would have been jumping for joy in living rooms, no doubt about it!



[size=1]then they throw a flag for excessive celevration[/size]

[Bazooka Joe]

No to Tarral Owins.

[BirdWatcher]

I don't think the Ravens Front Office is on speaking terms with T.O. after what happened the last time. He spit on us once, he can rot in arena football now.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331968296' post='1025330']

Uh....no.
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Well you may not agree but I definitely feel that giving up a fourth round pick for a guy who made almost 3 million dollars, appeared in only 11 games with 2 starts (including the postseason) and caught a total of 8 passes for 140 yards in those 11 games, I'd definitely call that a waste of a pick by Ravens' standards - considering that over the years we've found guys like Stokely JJ, AD, LeRon McClain, Pitta, and Doss (who I have very high hopes for) in that round - I mean that could have been where we picked up an electrifying kick returner like Marquis Maze or T.Y. Hilton.

[1bodaciousraven]

He rejected a trade to Baltimore, that's pretty insulting. I'd never give him a second chance.

[display name]

Besides mocking Ray Lewis, TO made it clear that the jerk didn't want to play for the Baltimore Ravens! No!
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0[/media]

Did we learn [i]anything [/i]from the Housh and Evans disastors?

[codizzle]

After what he did in 04 it was? ... Ummm heck no.. I would consider Hines ward over TO

[Militant X 1]

this thread is just wrong!

~Mili

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331987038' post='1025384']

thats getting very immature now
[/quote]

Ernie is annoyed. What to do.

[Jamal]

I'd rather stick a fork in my eye.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1331995913' post='1025448']
I'd rather stick a fork in my eye.
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....and then put the fork in a blender.

[AsianRice]

Lets make it short for the OP: TO is not welcomed in the NFL so the Ravens is out of the question......

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331987038' post='1025384']

thats getting very immature now
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So ernie is annoyed. What ta do.

[Blex64]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1331988460' post='1025393']

Well you may not agree but I definitely feel that giving up a fourth round pick for a guy who made almost 3 million dollars, appeared in only 11 games with 2 starts (including the postseason) and caught a total of 8 passes for 140 yards in those 11 games, I'd definitely call that a waste of a pick by Ravens' standards - considering that over the years we've found guys like Stokely JJ, AD, LeRon McClain, Pitta, and Doss (who I have very high hopes for) in that round - I mean that could have been where we picked up an electrifying kick returner like Marquis Maze or T.Y. Hilton.
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I didn't say the trade turned out well. The part of the quote I bolded said that we acquired Lee Evans because the FO panicked about Torrey in preseason and moved to sign a veteran because of it. I don't think Torrey's preseason performance had anything to do with acquiring Evans. Also, taking a FB in the 4th is somewhat early, and if one does go that high he's probably the best fullback in the draft. Not saying this isn't a team that can't find value late in the draft (its one of the best in the league at it), just that McClain wasn't some diamond in the rough. You'd be better off mentioning people like Bart Scott.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331971287' post='1025334']
The same Browns that shut your boy Flacco down 2 times last season? Quan had 2 receptions for 30 something yards.

I understand your hate for T.O. I dont like him either. But i won't deny his ability. Had T.O. been thrown that ball that Evans could've made a TD, you'd probaby have to break his arm to strip it from him. I dont see why he isn't worth a shot.
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I like how you talk about Flacco getting shut down and then pull up Boldin's stats. Who got shut down?

You can't not deny his ability, he hasn't played in the NFL for over a year. He's a washed-up has been. I think he'd have gotten stripped just like Evans, and then blamed Flacco for it, then said it wouldn't have mattered because the loss was entirely on Cundiff anyway.