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MERGED: "Feelings" on How Free Agency is Going So Far

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To the Ravens fans freaking out because the Ravens aren't making any moves, relax! Look at our past history, we rarely jump into free agency and start spending big money. Why ? Because we try to keep our own players and as you can see it's tough enough to do that.

We want to sign Webb to a long term deal, maybe Cary Williams too...plus we need to try to retain Jameel McClain or if he signs with another team we will eventually sign some 2nd tier guys or maybe some veterans who have been cut by teams to get under the salary cap.

The Ravens draft so well that are cap is always towards the max just trying to keep our own players. Every year we end up losing guys we think we must have and every year Ozzie brings in a few players like Bernard Pollard and Cory Redding, McKinnie, and they end up playing very well for us.

The main thing is getting the OL retooled, Ozzie and the front office have their board of free agents, they know what they are doing. We aren't Tampa Bay who can spend 30 million(against the cap) for 3 players. We will spend every dime we can but don't freak out...the Ravens are keeping to their normal ways of operation.

Which is just fine with me, you can't pay everyone. I really want to see Webb be a Raven for the long term, if that means we can't sign Grubbs and Yanda to big deals thats fine with me. Ozzie will find someone cheaper to plug in that plays just as well or we will spend a few picks in the draft on the OL and probably LB/DE.
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Let's cleanse the fanbase of whiny "sign everyone" fans. Hope they have their Bears, Bills, Bucs, and Titans/Broncos jerseys on order.
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I'm still more pissed at Grubbs himself than the front office. We'll plug guys in for a year or two like we always do and try to groom young guns like Boren to fill the void after.
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[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1331839148' post='1023327']
Let's cleanse the fanbase of whiny "sign everyone" fans. Hope they have their Bears, Bills, Bucs, and Titans/Broncos jerseys on order.
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I was about to agree with the OP, as he makes perfect sense.

However, 'holier than though' fans really annoy me; because they think by acting a certain way, makes them "better fans". Bloody annoying.

Anyway, it's always tough to lose a really good player. But we do tend to draft well.

My only concern is that we miss more than we hit on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying we [i]will[/i] miss, but our success rate on that side of the ball is nowhere near that of us drafting solid Ravens defensive players.

I mean just look at the laundry list of OLinemen that are no longer with the team/NFL, that we drafted in the 2nd to 4th round range.

I'm sure the rest of the fanbase will settle down once preseason starts. But, for now, it's pretty gloomy.


(Doesn't make us any less of a fan because we happen to react a certain way though. *rolleyes*)
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There is a hand full of guys I might be interested but that's AFTER we sign our homegrown talent. I guess I just want rives deal and joes deal to get done so we can pay webb and cary
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1331839486' post='1023339']
I was about to agree with the OP, as he makes perfect sense.

However, 'holier than though' fans really annoy me; because they think by acting a certain way, makes them "better fans". Bloody annoying.
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C'mon, man, your signature reads...

[quote][color=#ff0000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Why is it that fans think they're being trendy or clever by selecting 'nobodies' or 'sleeper' college prospects in their mock drafts? Do they think Mel Kiper or an NFL scout team is going to say, "Hey, we see what you did there. Want a job?".[/size][/font][/color]

[color=#ff0000][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]Please...[/size][/font][/color][size=4][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif][/quote][/font][/font][/size]

[size=4][font=arial,helvetica,sans-serif]I agree that fans should and do express themselves. And, as long it's between the lines of the CoC, it can be whatever they want.[/font][/size]
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1331839731' post='1023348']

C'mon, man, your signature reads...

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[size=4][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I agree that fans should and do express themselves. And, as long it's between the lines of the CoC, it can be whatever they want.[/font][/size]
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lol I know. My sig is mainly my own peeve expressed. I am well aware of how it looks.

By no means do I think that I am a better fan for not doing it thoug. I just don't like the practise. :)
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1331840163' post='1023357']
lol I know. My sig is mainly my own peeve expressed. I am well aware of how it looks.

By no means do I think that I am a better fan for not doing it thoug. I just don't like the practise. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Perhaps hawkprey was merely expressing his own pet-peeve.

In any case, the Ravens are usually conservative in the FA market. Hopefully we'll sign some bargain players like we seem to do every year - Redding, Pollard, etc
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1331840427' post='1023366']

Perhaps hawkprey was merely expressing his own pet-peeve.

In any case, the Ravens are usually conservative in the FA market. [b]Hopefully we'll sign some bargain players like we seem to do every year - Redding, Pollard, etc[/b]
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thats the plan and we will draft well..we are ok
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1331840427' post='1023366']

Perhaps hawkprey was merely expressing his own pet-peeve.

In any case, the Ravens are usually conservative in the FA market. Hopefully we'll sign some bargain players like we seem to do every year - Redding, Pollard, etc
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fair enough i suppose.

i'm not even one to look for blockbuster names in FA. i only really expect us to keep our good players. this eyar, it seems like all we've done is stall on flacco and rice contracts, and now seemingly without a fight, let grubbs go.
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[quote name='admartian' timestamp='1331840886' post='1023374']
fair enough i suppose.

[b]i'm not even one to look for blockbuster names in FA. i only really expect us to keep our good players. this eyar, it seems like all we've done is stall on flacco and rice contracts, and now seemingly without a fight, let grubbs go.[/b]
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The team has never been quick to lock up players in their relatively short history. Look how long it took to get franchise players like McAlister and Suggs long-term deals.

With the deals QBs clearly inferior to Joe (e.g. Fitzpatrick, Sanchez) and RBs not as durable or consistent as Ray (e.g. DeAngelo Williams, Chris Johnson) have received over the past two off-seasons, expecting either Flacco or Rice to be locked up in short order is unreasonable.

As for Grubbs, do you really think Pat Moriarty and company weren't desperately crunching the numbers and trying to sign him as well? Just on Monday, the Sun reported the organization made a pretty big offer. [url="http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/ravens-insider/bal-ravens-news-and-notes-20120311,0,7008854.story"]Link[/url]
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1331839301' post='1023333']
[u][b]I'm still more pissed at Grubbs himself than the front office[/b][/u]. We'll plug guys in for a year or two like we always do and try to groom young guns like Boren to fill the void after.
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the Ravens allowed him to "test" the market....and....he did!! can't be mad a man for that! smh!

~Mili
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We haven't lost anybody that we either already have strong replacement or can easily replace in the draft.

Grubbs, Johnsen, and Redding are easily replaceable. So are McClan and Nakamora and Ayenbagel, though I think he'll be back.
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[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1331842695' post='1023422']
We haven't lost anybody that we either already have strong replacement or can easily replace in the draft.

Grubbs, Johnsen, and Redding are easily replaceable. So are McClan and Nakamora and Ayenbagel, though I think he'll be back.
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The name misspelling joke has worn off now.
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you kind of already saw the writing on the wall for Grubbs, we signed Yanda to a big deal and we couldnt sink more money into the OL like that, it has to be spread throughout the team. guys like Webb, Joe and Rice's extensions, etc

Ozzie and Eric and the FO know whats out there, they have a plan...they will eventually make some moves in free agency, they will be bargains most likely or a veteran player who wants to go to a winning team...like Cory Redding a few years ago, like Bernard Pollard last year and McKinnie

I think the Ravens know the OL depth in the draft is good, I can see us drafting more than 1 OL...as well as LB
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@PriscoCBS: Question: Who did Giants, Steelers, Packers, Ravens and Patriots sign today? Anybody? That's what good teams do -- and can do. Wait.
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Ayanbagel???? :lolpoof: A y a n b a d e j o. *massive giggles*

Yeah I know this is how the Ravens operate but losing guys every year like this still freaking HURTS!!!!

One of the few things that will make all this feel better for me is the Great Oz drafting Konz out of Wisconsin.
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1331845681' post='1023500']@PriscoCBS: Question: Who did Giants, Steelers, Packers, Ravens and Patriots sign today? Anybody? That's what good teams do -- and can do. Wait.[/quote]

Nice. I'd still like to see us add some depth players. We'll see what happens
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No one is in panic imo lol. We are already stocked much more than any other team in both areas. Just address the needs : which are OL, pass rush and were good imo.
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1331842283' post='1023412']

the Ravens allowed him to "test" the market....and....he did!! can't be mad a man for that! smh!

~Mili
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After they offered him a contract similar to what Yanda got. Clearly they offered everything they could without handcuffing the team. I'd say thats doing everything in your power to retain a player you really covet.
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The players that we want should still be there after FA goes on for a few more days. We refuse to overpay for someone only to have to cut them to save cap space later.
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[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1331845786' post='1023502']
Ayanbagel???? [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/lolpoof.gif[/img] A y a n b a d e j o. *massive giggles*

Yeah I know this is how the Ravens operate but losing guys every year like this still freaking HURTS!!!!

One of the few things that will make all this feel better for me is the Great Oz drafting Konz out of Wisconsin.
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Completely agreed.
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[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1331846114' post='1023516']
Nice. I'd still like to see us add some depth players. We'll see what happens
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The giants signed a TE. But they signed him for cheap so the point stands :P
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[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1331845681' post='1023500']
@PriscoCBS: Question: Who did Giants, Steelers, Packers, Ravens and Patriots sign today? Anybody? That's what good teams do -- and can do. Wait.
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Prisco called us a good team? Last year he was ragging on us for signing Leach.
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I know this is how the Ravens' organization works, but I can't say it is good for my blood pressure! lol

It is going to take me while to get over JJ and Redding leaving as they were among two of my favorites... everyone can be replaced I know, but I don't think they are as "easily" replaceable as some may think...just give me some time 'cause I don't do change well, OK??? lol [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
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[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1331838998' post='1023322']
To the Ravens fans freaking out because the Ravens aren't making any moves, relax! Look at our past history, we rarely jump into free agency and start spending big money. Why ? Because we try to keep our own players and as you can see it's tough enough to do that.

We want to sign Webb to a long term deal, maybe Cary Williams too...plus we need to try to retain Jameel McClain or if he signs with another team we will eventually sign some 2nd tier guys or maybe some veterans who have been cut by teams to get under the salary cap.

The Ravens draft so well that are cap is always towards the max just trying to keep our own players. Every year we end up losing guys we think we must have and every year Ozzie brings in a few players like Bernard Pollard and Cory Redding, McKinnie, and they end up playing very well for us.

The main thing is getting the OL retooled, Ozzie and the front office have their board of free agents, they know what they are doing. We aren't Tampa Bay who can spend 30 million(against the cap) for 3 players. We will spend every dime we can but don't freak out...the Ravens are keeping to their normal ways of operation.

Which is just fine with me, you can't pay everyone. I really want to see Webb be a Raven for the long term, if that means we can't sign Grubbs and Yanda to big deals thats fine with me. Ozzie will find someone cheaper to plug in that plays just as well or we will spend a few picks in the draft on the OL and probably LB/DE.
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All I want is for us to resign our own guys. We lost 3 starters in 2 days. The Baltimore Ravens don't usually operate like that.
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[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1331839301' post='1023333']
I'm still more pissed at Grubbs himself than the front office. We'll plug guys in for a year or two like we always do and try to groom young guns like Boren to fill the void after.
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Mad at him for what? Wanting to make money?
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Double J and Ben Grubbs did what they had to do, after all the is the NFL - Not For Long .. They got paid rather nicely to teams who are desperate and willing to deal out huge money. All the top quality organizations like the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, Packers are making no noise because we draft well, thats how you consistently win.

Our biggest move and the one that makes me most happy will be signing Lardarious Webb long-term. This is all I`m worried about because I dont want another team offering on him. Other then that there is nothing to worry about, Ozzie and DeCosta have it covered.
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[quote name='display name' timestamp='1331860000' post='1023772']
All I want is for us to resign our own guys. We lost 3 starters in 2 days. The Baltimore Ravens don't usually operate like that.
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Last year was Mase, Heap, McClain, Gregg, Wilson, Landry, Chester (if you count that scrub), and that's not even including other role players. Plus Carr barely played.

JJ and Redding were slated to go, the Ravens could have kept them if they wanted. Grubbs took the big money and the Ravens couldn't - or didn't want to - match.
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grubbs is gone , jarrett johnson is gone, cory reddings is gone we are so doomed [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sad.png[/img]
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