Ravens RFA-EFA Tenders

[arnie_uk]

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Lardarius Webb got a first-round tender from the Ravens and Cary Williams got a second-round tender, per a league source

Webb is due a $2.742 million one-year base salary, and Williams is set to make $1.927 million

[BMOREHAWAII]

What does that mean? I dont understand the whole tender thing. I really hope we can hang on to the both of them. If not both i hope we can keep Webb..

[gabefergy]

That is what I expected. Never though Cary would get a 1st rounder.

[BMOREHAWAII]

Giving Cary a 2nd round tender says alot being as inconsistent as he is..

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331589915' post='1019057']
What does that mean? I dont understand the whole tender thing. I really hope we can hang on to the both of them. If not both i hope we can keep Webb..
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if someone wants to sign webb for example, they would have to give us a first round pick. They offer him a deal, if he accepts, we get a chance to match it, if we match we keep him, if not we get their first round pick

[hawkprey]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331590070' post='1019063']
Giving Cary a 2nd round tender says alot being as inconsistent as he is..
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No, second round sounds about right for Cary, who is young with plenty of upside. He's improved every year and did a great job in 2011.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331590150' post='1019066']
if someone wants to sign webb for example, they would have to give us a first round pick. They offer him a deal, if he accepts, we get a chance to match it, if we match we keep him, if not we get their first round pick
[/quote]
Yikes.
Webb is worth more than a first round pick to us.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331590070' post='1019063']
Giving Cary a 2nd round tender says alot being as inconsistent as he is..
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Cary's tender is just right. It has to be high enough that teams with low picks in that round won't actually be interested in signing them.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1331590235' post='1019068']
No, second round sounds about right for Cary, who is young with plenty of upside. He's improved every year and did a great job in 2011.
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Cary really did come out of nowhere. Wasn't he undrafted? I wouldn't be opposed to losing him for a 2nd rounder, but he does have a huge upside that maybe I haven't seen yet.

[Blex64]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331590273' post='1019069']
Yikes.
Webb is worth more than a first round pick to us.
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Absolutely, but a first round tender is the highest you can give under the new rules.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1331590313' post='1019070']

Cary's tender is just right. It has to be high enough that teams with low picks in that round won't actually be interested in signing them.
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Ah.. I see now

[Tonymontana45]

Does anyone know how long a team has to make an offer? What is the deadline? I know we have 7 days to match.

[RavenRage92]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' timestamp='1331590510' post='1019076']
Does anyone know how long a team has to make an offer? What is the deadline? I know we have 7 days to match.
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I thought it was 10 days to match an offer...

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RavenRage92' timestamp='1331590807' post='1019079']
I thought it was 10 days to match an offer...
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i thought it was changed in the new cba, ive heard 7 thrown around as well

[GEOSTORM]

Not certain what exactly changed with the last CBA, but prior to this past offseason, RFAs have received qualifying offers from their old clubs and were free to negotiate with any club until a deadline approximately a week prior to the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_Draft"]NFL Draft[/url] (for [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_NFL_season"]2010[/url] the deadline was April 15), at which time their rights revert to their original club.
There has been speculation of the Patriots being interested in Mike Wallace...if they are going to commit to giving up one of their two 1st rounders for a young seasoned player, it will be for Webb, not for Wallace, IMO. They are too smart to give up draft currency - let alone a 1 - for a position with depth in both the draft & free agency, like WRs...but for a guy who graded out as a top 5-7 CB in the NFL this season...this guy's name belong on the "things to do" poll, for this off-season, well in front of some of the other names.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='BMOREHAWAII' timestamp='1331590352' post='1019071']
Cary really did come out of nowhere. Wasn't he undrafted? I wouldn't be opposed to losing him for a 2nd rounder, but he does have a huge upside that maybe I haven't seen yet.
[/quote]
He was taken in the 7th round by the Titans. And from what we've seen, he does have upside. I'm not saying he's going to be the next shutdown corner, but seeing as this is his first year as a starter, he clearly does have potential.

[BMOREHAWAII]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1331592725' post='1019119']
He was taken in the 7th round by the Titans. And from what we've seen, he does have upside. I'm not saying he's going to be the next shutdown corner, but seeing as this is his first year as a starter, he clearly does have potential.
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I do see his potential for sure. I wouldn't mind keeping him AND Webb, we would have a solid core at DB. But if we'd have to keep just one, i really hope it's Webb.

[Bazooka Joe]

I'd look out for the Rams along with the Pats in the Webb sweepstakes.

I really think It's unlikely that Webb's a Raven next year.

[rmw10]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1331600154' post='1019269']
I'd look out for the Rams along with the Pats in the Webb sweepstakes.

I really think It's unlikely that Webb's a Raven next year.
[/quote]

No way the Rams give up the #6 pick for Webb.

[display name]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1331600154' post='1019269']
I'd look out for the Rams along with the Pats in the Webb sweepstakes.

I really think It's unlikely that Webb's a Raven next year.
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Halarious! You spelled his name right! Still, your point could use some work.[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/empty%20trophy%20case.gif[/img]

[Tonymontana45]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1331600154' post='1019269']
I'd look out for the Rams along with the Pats in the Webb sweepstakes.

I really think It's unlikely that Webb's a Raven next year.
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Even with their cuts I highly doubt that the Rams have the cap space to sign webb to a large contract for this year.

[B-more Ravor]

Dannell Ellerbe received also received a 2nd round tender:
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[u][color="#0084b4"][b]Aaron Wilson[/b] ‏ [/color][s][color="#66b5d2"]@[/color][/s][b][color="#0084b4"]RavensInsider[/color][/b] [/u]
Linebacker Dannell Ellerbe got a second-round restricted tender of $1.927 million, per a league source.[/quote]

RB Matt Lawrence was non-tendered, making him a FA (although, in the past, they have re-sign guys like this to veteran minimum deals ($615K):
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[u][color="#0084b4"][b]Aaron Wilson[/b] ‏ [/color][s][color="#66b5d2"]@[/color][/s][b][color="#0084b4"]RavensInsider[/color][/b] [/u]
The Ravens didn't give a restricted free agent tender to running back Matt Lawrence, according to a league source.[/quote]

[Ravenstown52]

[quote name='B-more Ravor' timestamp='1331601305' post='1019291']
Dannell Ellerbe received also received a 2nd round tender:


RB Matt Lawrence was non-tendered, making him a FA (although, in the past, they have re-sign guys like this to veteran minimum deals ($615K):
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LOL if someone gives us a second-rounder for Ellerbe

[redrum52]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1331600364' post='1019273']


No way the Rams give up the #6 pick for Webb.
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If they did I would miss Ladarius Web but do you realize what we could turn those picks into? Trade back for more picks and still get a top player. If we could get a top 10 pick I'd make that move in a heartbeat as much as I like Web.

[rmw10]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1331601663' post='1019298']
If they did I would miss Ladarius Web but do you realize what we could turn those picks into? Trade back for more picks and still get a top player. If we could get a top 10 pick I'd make that move in a heartbeat as much as I like Webb.
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Getting the #6 pick would be great for Webb. I'd honestly still rather have Webb, but if we lost him, I'd gladly take the 6th pick.

With that being said though, there's no way the Rams would give up that pick.

[redrum52]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1331601942' post='1019306']


Getting the #6 pick would be great for Webb. I'd honestly still rather have Webb, but if we lost him, I'd gladly take the 6th pick.

With that being said though, there's no way the Rams would give up that pick.
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I don't see them doing it either but I don't get why moves like this weren't made more often. I understand the importance or picks but when teams have needs like that why not trade for a proven player or just trade back again which I could see happening.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1331600364' post='1019273']

No way the Rams give up the #6 pick for Webb.
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We'd just use it to get more picks

or take Blackmon! or Claiborne or whomever the hell we want!

[redlobster]

Why was Ellerbe tagged with a second round tender costing the Ravens roughly 2.0 million? Dude is a freaking bum and depth can be had for cheaper.

could they not have tagged him with a lower round tender?

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1331601942' post='1019306']
With that being said though, there's no way the Rams would give up that pick.
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Actually, they can't anyway. To sign a RFA to an offer sheet, you must possess your original draft pick in that round or better.

Since the Rams traded down, they are prohibited from even signing Webb to an offer sheet (not that they would even consider it for the 6th pick either).

This rule keep teams from trading down and then getting away with giving up less to get an RFA.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='redlobster' timestamp='1331609007' post='1019447']
Why was Ellerbe tagged with a second round tender costing the Ravens roughly 2.0 million? Dude is a freaking bum and depth can be had for cheaper
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I have no idea. I am also confused. I wouldn't call him a bum, but I don't think he is worth that tender. I think the Ravens feel like we will lose McClain, and we will need some experience LB who could start next to Ray if necessary. We were probably worried someone would poach our LBs again. If you think about it, the Colts could have done it. Pagano might really like Ellerbe.

Maybe it was in the plan all along. Perhaps Ellerbe > McClain, but the Ravens brass decided to hide him to pay Ellerbe. Unfortunately, Pagano left and he knows the secret.

Lol. Either way, it's done so oh well. I am scratching my head over this, though.