Wildcat Shmildcat

[Jesse Conroy]

LOL to the Dolphins wildcat offense. I don't recall one trick play that went to their advantage today. They either picked up 1-3 yards, or got tackled for a loss. I have to say I am glad to see that a good Defense, such as ours, cant be fooled by a wildcat offense.

I give this game to the Defense, whether the offense was productive or not, Defense prevailed.

[neepo13]

The problem is they ran it right into the brick wall that is Ngata, Bannan, and Lewis. They could have a lot of success out of it against worse run defenses.

[bossman419]

the wild cat was spayed and neutered

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='neepo13' post='77797' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:20 PM']The problem is they ran it right into the brick wall that is Ngata, Bannan, and Lewis. They could have a lot of success out of it against worse run defenses.[/quote]

Exactly. What I am saying is, is I am glad that our defense is good enough to stand up to the wildcat offense.

To be honest before the game I was worried about it.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Jesse Conroy' post='77799' date='Oct 19 2008, 10:21 PM']Exactly. What I am saying is, is I am glad that our defense is good enough to stand up to the wildcat offense.

To be honest before the game I was worried about it.[/quote]

The passes out of it is what worried me. Anytime, you try to run it down the Ravens throat you are going to lose.

[Moderator 2]

It was only a matter of time before this happened, and Rex is the mad scientist on D.

[FinNasty]

It wasnt the Wildcat... it was everything.

You guys dominated us on the ground all day, regardless of the formation. We couldnt get any push and your LBs were consistently in our backfield...


It actually hasnt shook my faith in the Wildcat at all. We arent going to see a front 7 like yours again this year. It wasnt like we were having such great success in standard formations, and you were just stopping the Wildcat. Everything got shut down. I dont think you did anything scheme wise, just let you talent go after it...

[raven43]

[quote name='FinNasty' post='77820' date='Oct 19 2008, 11:57 PM']It wasnt the Wildcat... it was everything.

You guys dominated us on the ground all day, regardless of the formation. We couldnt get any push and your LBs were consistently in our backfield...


[b]It actually hasnt shook my faith in the Wildcat at all[/b]. We arent going to see a front 7 like yours again this year. It wasnt like we were having such great success in standard formations, and you were just stopping the Wildcat. Everything got shut down. I dont think you did anything scheme wise, just let you talent go after it...[/quote]
i don't know......
this is a copycat league. Other teams were watching us [color="#FF0000"] [size=3] destroy [/size] [/color] your wildcat formation and they now know exactly how to stop it.

[MKdave]

[quote name='raven43' post='77862' date='Oct 20 2008, 01:50 PM']i don't know......
this is a copycat league. Other teams were watching us [color="#ff0000"] [size=3] destroy [/size] [/color] your wildcat formation and they now know exactly how to stop it.[/quote]
Yeah. Have arguably the best defensive tackle in the league along with the best linebacking corps.
It's not something that most teams can muster. No team is really gonna learn anything about scheming to stop the wildcat from this game.

[PuRock]

[quote name='FinNasty' post='77820' date='Oct 19 2008, 11:57 PM']It wasnt the Wildcat... it was everything.

You guys dominated us on the ground all day, regardless of the formation. We couldnt get any push and your LBs were consistently in our backfield...


It actually hasnt shook my faith in the Wildcat at all. We arent going to see a front 7 like yours again this year. It wasnt like we were having such great success in standard formations, and you were just stopping the Wildcat. Everything got shut down. I dont think you did anything scheme wise, just let you talent go after it...[/quote]

It wasn't a surprise to me at all. I knew we could and would stop the wildcat. The only way the Dolphins were going to beat us, was through the air. Which they had some success at. We have a strong DL followed by a strong LB core, we get penetration into the backfield with no problem. It limits the lanes and what Ronnie could do.

It still amazes me that teams waste so much time at the beginning of the game trying to establish their run offense against us. Teams should just give up on it at the coinflip, and take their chances on the pass.

[MKdave]

[quote name='PuRock' post='77867' date='Oct 20 2008, 02:13 PM']It still amazes me that teams waste so much time at the beginning of the game trying to establish their run offense against us. Teams should just give up on it at the coinflip, and take their chances on the pass.[/quote]

I know why they do it. I think they are fully aware they aren't gonna move the ball on the ground. But they have to run the ball consistently so that our uber-aggressive DBs will bite on play action. Most of them can't tackle anyway, I don't see why the don't just stay with their man!

[neepo13]

[quote name='MKdave' post='77863' date='Oct 20 2008, 08:54 AM']Yeah. Have arguably the best defensive tackle in the league along with the best linebacking corps.
It's not something that most teams can muster. No team is really gonna learn anything about scheming to stop the wildcat from this game.[/quote]

Your right because we didnt scheme to stop up. We've just got good powerful players that swarm to the ball. It was the players not the scheme.

[FinNasty]

[quote name='raven43' post='77862' date='Oct 20 2008, 08:50 AM']i don't know......
this is a copycat league. Other teams were watching us [color="#FF0000"] [size=3] destroy [/size] [/color] your wildcat formation and they now know exactly how to stop it.[/quote]

What are they going to replicate though? What did you guys do scheme wise to stop it? Nothing...

Your front 7 dominated our OL in the run game, period. It wasnt like our standard offense was working... but you shut down the Wildcat.

You have the most talented front 7 in the league. You can replicate scheme... but you cant replicate talent. And you stopped it with talent, not scheme...

[FinNasty]

[quote name='neepo13' post='77875' date='Oct 20 2008, 09:45 AM']Your right because we didnt scheme to stop up. We've just got good powerful players that swarm to the ball. It was the players not the scheme.[/quote]
Agreed...

[PuRock]

[quote name='FinNasty' post='77889' date='Oct 20 2008, 11:06 AM']What are they going to replicate though? What did you guys do scheme wise to stop it? Nothing...

Your front 7 dominated our OL in the run game, period. It wasnt like our standard offense was working... but you shut down the Wildcat.

You have the most talented front 7 in the league. You can replicate scheme... but you cant replicate talent. And you stopped it with talent, not scheme...[/quote]

I agree with you. There were times, where it looked like the wildcat could have worked against us. But the talent on our players were able to sniff it out. The Wildcat formation will continue to work against other teams, especially with Ronnie Brown heading it and your O-Line playing great. Yesterdays game was just another display of why the Ravens are number 1 at stopping the run. It's all because of their front 7.

The Wildcat works well, because it provides a lot of misdirection in the running game. It's really quite hard to predict after watching yesterday's game. I thought they could have gotten some big gains if they could have just break one tackle.

[Shawn`]

The only reason Wildcat only works against other teamas is because they don't expect them to actually come out with a high school football formation to win. What we did was disect their last chances at offense

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='FinNasty' post='77820' date='Oct 19 2008, 11:57 PM']It wasnt the Wildcat... it was everything.

You guys dominated us on the ground all day, regardless of the formation. We couldnt get any push and your LBs were consistently in our backfield...


It actually hasnt shook my faith in the Wildcat at all. We arent going to see a front 7 like yours again this year. It wasnt like we were having such great success in standard formations, and you were just stopping the Wildcat. Everything got shut down. I dont think you did anything scheme wise, just let you talent go after it...[/quote]

I got to ask, isnt it annoying watching your games, with the announcers saying Wildcat all game long? I mean after a while I was counting how many times I heard them say it, and it ended up being 15, after I started counting.

It was nuts...

[raven43]

[quote name='FinNasty' post='77889' date='Oct 20 2008, 11:06 AM']What are they going to replicate though? [b]What did you guys do scheme wise to stop it? Nothing...[/b]
Your front 7 dominated our OL in the run game, period. It wasnt like our standard offense was working... but you shut down the Wildcat.

You have the most talented front 7 in the league. You can replicate scheme... but you cant replicate talent. And you stopped it with talent, not scheme...[/quote]
Not neccesarily. I was watching NFL Gameday on the NFLN and Steve Mariuchi actaully explanid hwo we stopped it. He gave most of the credit to Rex Ryan. He said Suggs did a good job of sniffing our the reverse, though.

[BirdWatcher]

Our defense turned the Wildcat into this:

[img]http://www.purlescence.co.uk/cafe/knitted_kitteh.jpg[/img]

[Moderator 2]

Actually its gap control defense that controls the Wildcat. Couple that with Chad P accurate, but not very strong arm so you can bring the secondary up, and you have bagged a cat. I am really surprised Bellichek did not figure this out.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='78050' date='Oct 20 2008, 07:32 PM']Actually its gap control defense that controls the Wildcat. Couple that with Chad P accurate, but not very strong arm so you can bring the secondary up, and you have bagged a cat. I am really surprised Bellichek did not figure this out.[/quote]

Of course not! I mean what can he do without his camera buddy?

[heapitup247]

[quote name='neepo13' post='77875' date='Oct 20 2008, 09:45 AM']Your right because we didnt scheme to stop up. We've just got good powerful players that swarm to the ball. It was the players not the scheme.[/quote]

if you watch closely you can see suggs and jarrett johnson on contains, and the 3 men rushing going at it. Now, while we do have tremendous defensive tackles, we were well prepared for the trickery because we filled all the gaps. Bart and Ray did a good job of coming up and making the tackles. We had the right scheme, and we executed. Id say it was a combination of both of them.

[Bullitt_711]

I enjoyed watching that offense, until they met us of course. Bart Scott had the best quote...He said something like...That offense is irritating, not because we can't stop it, it's just that we have to work on it in practice.

[rayvenfan_52]

[quote name='Moderator 2' post='78050' date='Oct 20 2008, 01:32 PM']Actually its gap control defense that controls the Wildcat. Couple that with Chad P accurate, but not very strong arm so you can bring the secondary up, and you have bagged a cat. I am really surprised Bellichek did not figure this out.[/quote]

Because Belichik is more of an offense kinda guy. Its not like the O Coordinators are flapping out hand signals.

[Gwaihir]

[quote name='MKdave' post='77863' date='Oct 20 2008, 08:54 AM']Yeah. Have arguably the best defensive tackle in the league along with the best linebacking corps.
It's not something that most teams can muster. No team is really gonna learn anything about scheming to stop the wildcat from this game.[/quote]

Exactly! Not too many teams are going to have a Def Tackle that can drive his blocker back into the Guard trying to Pull! When Brown turns that corner, instead of Guard leading the way for him, he was staring at 3 LineBackers!! I don't think the game film will help many teams either! You have to have our Players to play it the way we did! We didn't really do anything special, we just overpowered their blocking scheme!

[CARavensFan]

I think that's one of things that makes our defense so frustrating for other teams, not only do we have complex schemes that they can't always figure out, but when they do have them figured out most teams lack the talent on the defensive ball to try and emulate it.

The only recent exception that I can think of would be how we played the Pats last year, but the Eagles had already done it before then and by that time everyone was starting to realize the only way to get the Pats off their game was to blitz and put pressure on Brady.

[Marc2k6]

It was not a fair fight for Us the Raven's vs the Dolphin's. Their WildCat was at the vet. for some shots and all they had for the game was a old HouseCat!

[Jesse Conroy]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='78389' date='Oct 21 2008, 08:50 PM']It was not a fair fight for Us the Raven's vs the Dolphin's. Their WildCat was at the vet. for some shots and all they had for the game was a old HouseCat! [/quote]

lol

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='78389' date='Oct 21 2008, 08:50 PM']It was not a fair fight for Us the Raven's vs the Dolphin's. Their WildCat was at the vet. for some shots and all they had for the game was a old HouseCat! [/quote]

Yep, or a kitten