Ravens Cap Situation

[SpearSrai]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1331441702' post='1017928']


Hi,do you have a link for what i have in bold?,because they both said their coming back.
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He's talking about next year

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1331445817' post='1017936']
He's talking about next year
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ah right,sorry i over read.

[indianstick]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331388259' post='1017440']
Boulden will probably be cut next year, his production is dropping and on a big contract, you dont restructure in that situation or you will be eating dead cap next year.
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I really don't think boldin will be cut next year. I also don't see why we wouldn't restructure his contract, to add 2 more years and get his salary down to 4-5 mill a year. I don't think he is going to decline anymore, and he has come up big for us in the past season so i don't see why we would cut him. For us to cut him next year we would have to draft either floyd or someone who would surpass him as a starting in their rookie season.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='indianstick' timestamp='1331446687' post='1017939']


I really don't think boldin will be cut next year. I also don't see why we wouldn't restructure his contract, to add 2 more years and get his salary down to 4-5 mill a year. I don't think he is going to decline anymore, and he has come up big for us in the past season so i don't see why we would cut him. For us to cut him next year we would have to draft either floyd or someone who would surpass him as a starting in their rookie season.
[/quote]if we were planning on keeping him his contract would be re done because he isn't worth it. So that tells me he may not see out his final two years but if he does he won't be here longer than that.

[sman555555]

if we really are only 5.7 under it looks like we are going to lose more than i originally thought.

[rmw10]

Salary cap officially set at $120.6 million

http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/11/salary-cap-set-at-120-6-million-for-2012/?module=HP11_headline_stack

[JO_75]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1331494376' post='1018114']
Salary cap officially set at $120.6 million

[url="http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/11/salary-cap-set-at-120-6-million-for-2012/?module=HP11_headline_stack"]http://blogs.nfl.com..._headline_stack[/url]
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Ok so where does this put the Ravens at cap wise? Do we need to get under the cap, we over?

[Alexir]

10 mil off initially, than subtract cutting of Carr, Evans and Foxworth and whatever we get from Restructuring Flacco + franchise tag on Rice= Cap space.

[arnie_uk]

well in the article he was using $120, so since is 120.6 were actually $6.3 mil under

[SpearSrai]

What else can we realistically do to free up more space? Are there any guys we might release that would seem unexpected, like Heap, Mason, McGahee, etc. last year?

[arnie_uk]

Maybe re do Ed or Boldins contracts, but i just dont see it happening.. If we get RR and Flaccos deals done it will free up space. Suggs and Ngata could be other possible contract reneogiations.

[CapoRocky]

Most of the other teams in the NFL are making moves to free up space. We released Foxworth, Evans, and Carr, but that didn't do enough to afford a big signing in FA. Knowing Ozzie, we will probably sign one or two inexpensive players then wait until after the draft to look for bargains.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1331501645' post='1018205']
Most of the other teams in the NFL are making moves to free up space. We released Foxworth, Evans, and Carr, but that didn't do enough to afford a big signing in FA. Knowing Ozzie, we will probably sign one or two inexpensive players then wait until after the draft to look for bargains.
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Yup, pretty much what I expect & it has worked well so far but would like to see rice get his contract to open up a little more room

[CapoRocky]

I don't think that Rice nor Flacco will get signed before the season begins.

[Bazooka Joe]

I disagree. I think Webb, Rice and Flacco 'all get done around June or July. Of course assuming we hold on to Webb.

[CapoRocky]

Webb will have to get done sooner if we want to keep him. Isn't that the idea of free agency? Other teams are going to try to sign him before June or July. The others will need to wait until after free agency to see if we can afford to sign them this year or next.

[PurpleReign92]

I think Gurode is being released correct me if I'm wrong...

[rmw10]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1331517986' post='1018374']
I think Gurode is being released correct me if I'm wrong...
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He's not under contract right now. He might not be brought back, but he can't be released if we don't own his rights.

[GrimCoconut]

We really need to do Flacco & Rice's contract. The sooner those are done, the better we will be. The Ravens should re-do Reed's contract & have him extend it by a year or two. I just don't think Ed is going to be done any time soon. It also would be a good idea because if he wasn't, then you can keep him longer without renegotiating. If he does retire, then it's all good because you put this & next year paychecks as the guaranteed money and then the final year without a guarantee. Besides, the cap should increase nicely next year.

Also, if we extend Flacco we can reduce his contract for the first two years and make it larger at the end of the deal. I don't think Webb is going anywhere, personally. I would only tender Cary with a 2nd. As for Ellerbe, I would give him a ROFR. Nobody's going to snatch him.

[PDO]

Re-structuring Boldin and Reed seems like the right thing to do, tough to say if either would go for it. Reed seems the better option IF he's serious about playing for another 3 years.

$6,300,000 to sign a LG, a C (both starters...) and an ILB (starter...) seems like an insane task.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='PDO' timestamp='1331519522' post='1018389']
Re-structuring Boldin and Reed seems like the right thing to do, tough to say if either would go for it. Reed seems the better option IF he's serious about playing for another 3 years.

$6,300,000 to sign a LG, a C (both starters...) and an ILB (starter...) seems like an insane task.
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That money I believe also doesn't include our draft picks. It is very little money to do all that. Personally, I say we watch cuts.

For OLB with the loss of JJ, let Kindle, Kruger & McAdoo battle it out. Draft an OLB like Ronnell Lewis, Courtney Upshaw, or my man Shea McClellin, or even Jones' brother. I really like Shea, though. I'll be very happy if we get any of those guys I just mentioned.

As for C, we just re-sign Birk & grab a guy in the draft late or undrafted. Pick up Brewster, Vlachos, Molk, or Blake if we really wanted.

When it comes to OG, I'd rather just get a stop-gap in FA & look at Boren, Barbieri, Reid, Oher, & Harewood. I really like Boren. I think he could do very well as LG. I want to give him a chance.

Regarding ILB, we have a very nice stable of them. We have Chavis Williams (Alabama, played with Hightower), we got Josh Bynes (looked great in preseason, everybody liked the kid), there is Albert McClellan (who is listed as a DE but played snaps as an ILB during the 49ers game if I recall correctly), and Ellerbe...uh, yeah. Lol. Aside from Ellerbe, I really like some of those guys starting, especially Bynes. If not, I also like some guys in the draft, like Hightower, Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner, Mychal Kendricks, Ronnell Lewis.

Outside of safety, we don't really have too many holes on the team. We're losing both of our back-up safeties, which I find a bigger problem than some areas. We have nothing to replace those guys, and this is a terrible draft for safeties. We need a good offensive line, but I am more optimistic about the offensive line than other areas like safety.

[PDO]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331520042' post='1018398']
That money I believe also doesn't include our draft picks. It is very little money to do all that. Personally, I say we watch cuts.[/QUOTE]

Who the hell would we cut though? Cundiff is a large part of the cap situation, but cutting him adds almsot no cap relief. Most the LB's are either all-pro's (Sizzle, Lewis) or rookie contracts. The DL only has one non-rookie contract in Haloti. Cornerbacks... same deal. WR... same deal outside of Boldin; who isn't going anywhere. RB... Rice. FB.. Leach. TE... Rookie contracts.

I just don't see who else can be cut.

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331520042' post='1018398']For OLB with the loss of JJ, let Kindle, Kruger & McAdoo battle it out. Draft an OLB like Ronnell Lewis, Courtney Upshaw, or my man Shea McClellin, or even Jones' brother. I really like Shea, though. I'll be very happy if we get any of those guys I just mentioned.[/QUOTE]

Seems like a solid plan.

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331520042' post='1018398']As for C, we just re-sign Birk & grab a guy in the draft late or undrafted. Pick up Brewster, Vlachos, Molk, or Blake if we really wanted.[/QUOTE]

Probably, but another year for Birk won't make ihm better at this point. I suppose if he comes back very cheap and we see take Konz and hope he can overtake him... but Konz was so bad on the bench that it's more than a little worrisome.

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331520042' post='1018398']When it comes to OG, I'd rather just get a stop-gap in FA & look at Boren, Barbieri, Reid, Oher, & Harewood. I really like Boren. I think he could do very well as LG. I want to give him a chance.[/QUOTE]

Do you remember how bad our line was once Grubbs went down? I fear we paid the wrong guy, and I love Yanda.

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331520042' post='1018398']Regarding ILB, we have a very nice stable of them. We have Chavis Williams (Alabama, played with Hightower), we got Josh Bynes (looked great in preseason, everybody liked the kid), there is Albert McClellan (who is listed as a DE but played snaps as an ILB during the 49ers game if I recall correctly), and Ellerbe...uh, yeah. Lol. Aside from Ellerbe, I really like some of those guys starting, especially Bynes. If not, I also like some guys in the draft, like Hightower, Lavonte David, Bobby Wagner, Mychal Kendricks, Ronnell Lewis.[/QUOTE]

Lewis is in what is probably his lsat year.

We play a 3-4, so we need TWO of them.

We're paper thin there once he's gone. I understand we'll never have a difference maker like Ray there again, but are we just going to turn into the Eagles and have scrubs at LB?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='PDO' timestamp='1331521459' post='1018413']

Who the hell would we cut though? Cundiff is a large part of the cap situation, but cutting him adds almsot no cap relief. Most the LB's are either all-pro's (Sizzle, Lewis) or rookie contracts. The DL only has one non-rookie contract in Haloti. Cornerbacks... same deal. WR... same deal outside of Boldin; who isn't going anywhere. RB... Rice. FB.. Leach. TE... Rookie contracts.

I just don't see who else can be cut.

Probably, but another year for Birk won't make ihm better at this point. I suppose if he comes back very cheap and we see take Konz and hope he can overtake him... but Konz was so bad on the bench that it's more than a little worrisome.

Do you remember how bad our line was once Grubbs went down? I fear we paid the wrong guy, and I love Yanda.

Lewis is in what is probably his lsat year.

We play a 3-4, so we need TWO of them.

We're paper thin there once he's gone. I understand we'll never have a difference maker like Ray there again, but are we just going to turn into the Eagles and have scrubs at LB?
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I think you misunderstood me. I meant watch cuts from other teams, like we did with McKinnie & Gurode. We do very well getting others' scraps. It's one of the things we do best. Lol.

I'm not high at all on Konz. Don't like his injuries. He's very smart, though. I'd like a value pick for center like Molk or even Vlachos. Blake would be a nice pick early, like in the 3rd round. He's going to be solid. I think Molk can be had in the 5th, though. As for Brewster, he was once a top prospect. He was a 1st round pick projected a year ago. A lot can change, huh? I am also worried about Birk, but I think he can handle it for a drafted replacement to come in and take over in the middle of the season.

I do, but I don't think it was as bad as we think. Remember that Gurode was thrown into a position he hadn't played in years, with a line he had very little chemistry with before that. He went into the line early, too. Week 3, right? Anyway, he played better towards the end of his time and I think he did a decent job. He wasn't Grubbs, but he was decent. With a full offseason & OTAs, I think we will be OK with Boren at guard. I feel confident. If not, we can draft a replacement between rounds 3-5 and get a solid guy. We could perhaps even get one in the 6th depending on how the draft goes.

I think if you have one really solid ILB, the other guy can be pretty good but doesn't have to be great. I think Josh Bynes could be a very good ILB. Also, I'm not so sure it's Ray's last year anymore. It seems like Santa, you keep hearing he's coming but he still hasn't arrived. It could be his last year, but I just feel that getting an ILB to learn from him is overrated. I feel like if we drafted Hightower, Kuechly or even waited until next year to get Manti if he fell to us we would be OK due to our leadership. Ray's legacy will continue here after he has retired.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1331356807' post='1017276']
I just added all the Ravens 2012 cap hits and it added up to $101,309,286.

And with the buyouts of Carr and Foxworth it adds up to $108,059,286

That would mean 12M in cap room right?

Someone explain why we have the alleged $114,300,000 in total salaries?-$5.7 in cap room
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[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1331357547' post='1017291']
Also that article you have linked is under the assumption that we are going to sign all our 7 exclusive rights free agents. Its not like that is going to happen as a matter of fact. I agree we will tender webb and c. williams adding to the cap another 3 mill or so giving it a total of about $110M-$111M. Im thinking we will have $6-7M to play with.

I could be wrong but none of us know the real facts.
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1. There's no reason to not tender all of the EFAs because they are the cheapest players you have on your roster and once the roster totals over 51 players (there are currently only 41 signed or tendered), then those lowest salaried players don't even count toward the Cap.

2. In not sure where you got your numbers, but I can assure you that what's posted in that article is very accurate. There are a lot of site out there will Cap info, but a lot of it is inaccurate.

[redrum52]

The cap is tight but if we can put people to work and restructure Boldin and Reed could save. Same with getting Rice a deal. Flacco waits til next year when the cap will raise again and shouldn't take it personally cause everyone else before has waited in line. A huge help would be production from Kindle seeing how thin our olb and lb core is in general. If he is actually healthy and they just wanted him to learn this year that will save us an early draft pick and money. Remember this time last year wondering about our lack of rush and Kruger and Mcphee stepped up. I see more teams with new coaches axing older players which Ozzie will choose from to help bolster the roster at a reasonable cost.

[Tonymontana45]

PFT posted the official cap numbers for every team. They have us as $14 million below the cap.

They say and I quote "[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]The numbers is based on the 2012 unadjusted cap of $120.6 million, any 2011 carryover, any adjustments, and franchise tenders" [/font][/color]

[left][font=Georgia,][size=3][color=#000000]I'll assume these numbers are accurate which would mean that the number that has been going around is false and we have 14 million minus restricted tenders. [/color][/size][/font][/left]


[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/"]http://profootballta...as-of-march-11/[/url]

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' timestamp='1331532120' post='1018462']
PFT posted the official cap numbers for every team. They have us as $14 million below the cap.

They say and I quote "[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]The numbers is based on the 2012 unadjusted cap of $120.6 million, any 2011 carryover, any adjustments, and franchise tenders" [/font][/color]

[left][font=Georgia,][size=3][color=#000000]I'll assume these numbers are accurate which would mean that the number that has been going around is false and we have 14 million minus restricted tenders. [/color][/size][/font][/left]


[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/team-by-team-cap-space-as-of-march-11/"]http://profootballta...as-of-march-11/[/url]
[/quote]I'll assume they are wrong. Brian who wrote the first article has been doing the ravens cap for years and his is always accurate.

[BabydollFlacco5]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331540970' post='1018479']
I'll assume they are wrong. Brian who wrote the first article has been doing the ravens cap for years and his is always accurate.
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Did he count the leftover cap we had from last year ? because it rolls over now ..

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1331540970' post='1018479']
I'll assume they are wrong. Brian who wrote the first article has been doing the ravens cap for years and his is always accurate.
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Maybe he didn't include the 2011 carry over that we didn't spend?

[arnie_uk]

He did read the article its all very clear. There's a whole bunch of articles he's done dating back to previous years and they were all spot on. He has included the rfa and erfa tenders. So that would come to about 7 or 8 mil. That 14 is probably right enough actually but Brian is looking at the final figure after expected renders. It's 2.7 for a first and its reported Cary and Webb will both get that. So that's 5.4, then he expects ellerbe to get a second that's another 2. Then the erfa tenders on top off that will bring that 14 done to about the 6.3 he has predicted