Grubbs Or Mckinney?

[Bazooka Joe]

Preston alluded to the notion that if we are able to keep Grubbs, it could come at the expense of cutting Bryant McKinney. If Grubbs signs elsewhere, we'd keep Bryant.

So which would you prefer?

My choice is keep Grubbs and draft Mike Adams in first round and then take Brewster, Jones or Polk in a later round.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Grubbs ofc.

McKinney stunk. Oher+McKinney was the main reason why our offense had so much problem on offense.

[arnie_uk]

Mike Preston? ha.. close this thread

[arnie_uk]

and for the record Mckinney plays NT, Mckinnie Plays LT

[Bazooka Joe]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1330784101' post='1010640']
and for the record Mckinney plays NT, Mckinnie Plays LT
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Who cares [profanity deleted]. Answer the question or go away. Btw, you love Preston.

[display name]

I think it's possible we keep both, but I'd prefer Ben Grubbs over Bryant McKinney if I had to choose.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1330784643' post='1010642']
Who cares [profanity deleted]. Answer the question or go away. Btw, you love Preston.
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you cant even spell your own teams player names write? theres such a thing as google...

yes i love preston course i do, you just know me that well

[jaege]

Simple enough, Grubbs. I think we all saw how important he was when he was out those few games.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='display name' timestamp='1330784667' post='1010643']
I think it's possible we keep both, but I'd prefer Ben Grubbs over Bryan McKinney if I had to choose.
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Bryant McKinnie

[GrimCoconut]

What might not be a bad idea is sign Grubbs, let McKinnie go, and make a play for McNeil if he became available. I feel like McNeil could at least play as well as McKinnie, and he is coming off an injury so that should drop his price.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bazooka Joe' timestamp='1330784643' post='1010642']



Who cares [profanity deleted]. Answer the question or go away. Btw, you love Preston.
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Whoa easy killer..

[codizzle]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1330784764' post='1010644']

you cant even spell your own teams player names write? theres such a thing as google...

yes i love preston course i do, you just know me that well
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Right* since we on a roll in this thread lol

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1330785399' post='1010653']
What might not be a bad idea is sign Grubbs, let McKinnie go, and make a play for McNeil if he became available. I feel like McNeil could at least play as well as McKinnie, and he is coming off an injury so that should drop his price.
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I said this earlier, but McNeil really concerns me. He's a two-time pro-bowler, just 28, missed only 2 games his first 4 seasons. Now the Chargers are ready to cut bait with him and go with Jared Gaither, a guy who started for the first time in 3 years last year and who has only started 33 games in his entire 6 year career. Is it really the case of the Chargers not wanting to pay McNeil when Gaither is cheaper, or do they know something about McNeil's health that we don't?

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1330785971' post='1010658']
Right* [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img] since we on a roll in this thread lol
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laugh out loud

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

It's a no brainer that if we had to choose between McKinnie and Grubbs then we'd choose Grubbs.

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1330785993' post='1010659'] I said this earlier, but McNeil really concerns me. He's a two-time pro-bowler, just 28, missed only 2 games his first 4 seasons. Now the Chargers are ready to cut bait with him and go with Jared Gaither, a guy who started for the first time in 3 years last year and who has only started 33 games in his entire 6 year career. Is it really the case of the Chargers not wanting to pay McNeil when Gaither is cheaper, or do they know something about McNeil's health that we don't?[/quote]

I think that there are some serious concerns with McNeill's health and it just isn't worth the money that San Diego is set to pay him to take the risk on him. If we could get him in on a cheap contract then it's not such a big gamble

[BMORElegacy]

McKinnie played well last year. He's the only serviceable LT on our roster right now. I don't get why some of you are so gung ho about cutting him.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1330785993' post='1010659']


I said this earlier, but McNeil really concerns me. He's a two-time pro-bowler, just 28, missed only 2 games his first 4 seasons. Now the Chargers are ready to cut bait with him and go with Jared Gaither, a guy who started for the first time in 3 years last year and who has only started 33 games in his entire 6 year career. Is it really the case of the Chargers not wanting to pay McNeil when Gaither is cheaper, or do they know something about McNeil's health that we don't?
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His injuries are a big concern. McNeil undeniably has the talent. Why not give him a deal to prove it, especially if the money is right? It would have to have a lot of incentives. He may take it to play for a team with the chance to win the big one. It could even be a 1 year deal to prove it to the league. Imagine the leverage he would have in negotiations if we won the SB & he was on a prove it deal & remained healthy the year?

If he's a low risk contract I would take him without hesitation. It depends on the contract, of course. Grubbs & McNeil also played next to each other before & have chemistry, too.

I'm not saying sign him to a 5M deal. I'm saying try to get him cheap if we let go of McKinnie to keep Grubbs.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1330786277' post='1010661']
It's a no brainer that if we had to choose between McKinnie and Grubbs then we'd choose Grubbs.



I think that there are some serious concerns with McNeill's health and it just isn't worth the money that San Diego is set to pay him to take the risk on him. If we could get him in on a cheap contract then it's not such a big gamble
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[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1330786900' post='1010664']
His injuries are a big concern. McNeil undeniably has the talent. Why not give him a deal to prove it, especially if the money is right? It would have to have a lot of incentives. He may take it to play for a team with the chance to win the big one. It could even be a 1 year deal to prove it to the league. Imagine the leverage he would have in negotiations if we won the SB & he was on a prove it deal & remained healthy the year?

If he's a low risk contract I would take him without hesitation. It depends on the contract, of course. Grubbs & McNeil also played next to each other before & have chemistry, too.

I'm not saying sign him to a 5M deal. I'm saying try to get him cheap if we let go of McKinnie to keep Grubbs.
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True. If we sign him to an inexpensive contract than maybe we can pull a "reverse-Gaither" on the Chargers. There are no questions about McNeil's ability to play left tackle at an elite level, just whether or not he can play. I remember, too, Ozzie once saying that he thinks the Ravens' medical staff is one of the most conservative in football, and there are a lot of players that other teams take a chance on that the Ravens' won't. So if he were to check out with our med staff, I'd feel more comfortable with the move.

[CapoRocky]

Sign Grubbs! If we don't also sign McKinnie, then what do we do? Either plug in Reid at RT and move Oher back to LT or get another cheap tackle in FA or the draft. There is only so much money to go around for contracts.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1330786852' post='1010663']
McKinnie played well last year. He's the only serviceable LT on our roster right now. I don't get why some of you are so gung ho about cutting him.
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There were ups and downs. He played well against the Steelers in the first game and everyone was singing his praises. He didn't have nearly as many penalties as Oher did. He did a good job protecting Flacco. Oher had some plays where it seemed like he blocked and then yelled, "here they come, Joe." Still, we are not going to spend money on an upgrade, so we need to keep the big man around for another year.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1330787588' post='1010675']
Oher had some plays where it seemed like he blocked and then yelled, "here they come, Joe." Still, we are not going to spend money on an upgrade, so we need to keep the big man around for another year.
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This made me laugh out loud. Thank you.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1330787588' post='1010675']

There were ups and downs. He played well against the Steelers in the first game and everyone was singing his praises. He didn't have nearly as many penalties as Oher did. He did a good job protecting Flacco. Oher had some plays where it seemed like he blocked and then yelled, "here they come, Joe." Still, we are not going to spend money on an upgrade, so we need to keep the big man around for another year.
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Yeah, he definitely had his ups and downs but he held down the left side which is what we needed him to do. It would be stupid to cut the only LT we have and throw the line into disarray once again. It would be nice to have some continuity.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1330787798' post='1010678']

Yeah, he definitely had his ups and downs but he held down the left side which is what we needed him to do. It would be stupid to cut the only LT we have and throw the line into disarray once again. It would be nice to have some continuity.
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I have to agree with this. McKinnie did his job, which is all you can ask. He did better than Oher did there. With that said, would you let Grubbs go & then lose McKinnie next year? I agree that it is more important to have a LT than a LG, but in our situation how much longer do you think McKinnie can play? I don't think there is much left. Maybe 3 years tops and that is being very generous.

Between the two, you cut a guy with maybe a year left to get a guy who is entering the prime of his career.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1330787798' post='1010678']

Yeah, he definitely had his ups and downs but he held down the left side which is what we needed him to do. It would be stupid to cut the only LT we have and throw the line into disarray once again. It would be nice to have some continuity.
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Yup, mckinnie ain't going nowhere. Makes no sense to cut out only lt and take a chance on someone with health issues? And please don't reply back saying oher is a lt.

[CapoRocky]

Ideally, we would hope to draft a center and guard in April. If we don't get what we want, then Ozzie tends to pick up pretty good players that get released from other teams. We really need another receiver that can get separation. The chance of getting sacked increases exponentially with Flacco holding on to the ball. He has shown some moves with his feet but we don't want our franchise QB getting hurt.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1330786900' post='1010664']

His injuries are a big concern. McNeil undeniably has the talent. Why not give him a deal to prove it, especially if the money is right? It would have to have a lot of incentives. He may take it to play for a team with the chance to win the big one. It could even be a 1 year deal to prove it to the league. Imagine the leverage he would have in negotiations if we won the SB & he was on a prove it deal & remained healthy the year?

If he's a low risk contract I would take him without hesitation. It depends on the contract, of course. Grubbs & McNeil also played next to each other before & have chemistry, too.

I'm not saying sign him to a 5M deal. I'm saying try to get him cheap if we let go of McKinnie to keep Grubbs.
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The big problem with that is if we sign him and hr doesn't work out we will be forced to either move Oher back to LT or Reid... that could be an issue.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1330788382' post='1010687']
Ideally, we would hope to draft a center and guard in April. If we don't get what we want, then Ozzie tends to pick up pretty good players that get released from other teams. We really need another receiver that can get separation. The chance of getting sacked increases exponentially with Flacco holding on to the ball. He has shown some moves with his feet but we don't want our franchise QB getting hurt.
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When Flacco runs, I always hope that he gets out of bounds or slides. Still, he is pretty quick for a big guy. The biggest surprise of his career was when he caught a pass against the Raiders and fell down before he could score. What a highlight that would have made if he scored a TD.

[Alexir]

Adams-Grubbs-Brewster-yanda-Reid

Drool

[GrimCoconut]

Not sure how this will pan out, but I just read on Rotoworld that the NFLPA is working on increasing the cap more than expected for this year. That could work out very well for us, especially with the Grubbs situation.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330799740' post='1010812']
Adams-Grubbs-Brewster-yanda-Reid

Drool
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swap brewster with blake and i can live with that line