Worse Draft Pick Ever

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='americanmade2012' timestamp='1330543205' post='1007318']

it was hard to choose him though because he did help deliver a division title in 03 he went 5-3 before getting hurt but i based it on overall expectations lol. I would also say kindle at the point is one of our worst picks ever
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The thing is we've only been around for 16 years and we RARELY have bad picks.

[CapoRocky]

I'd have to say Kindle if he never sees the field next year due to getting cut or injured in preseason. Otherwise, it would be wrong to say he's a bust when he never really had a chance to play much. I'd put Boller and Taylor near the top of the list. We have had quite a few bad picks but far more good ones.

[Suggs Package]

Haha nice topic, I'll go with worst draft pick by round to make this more interesting. I''l try to limit it to players who actually played games in the NFL.

1.) Kyle Boller - No explanation needed
2.) Adam Terry - Such high hopes and such horrible return on investment
3.) David Pittman - Never really panned out, liked him coming out of college
4.) David Hale - Has made a nice career in Pro Wrestling
5.) Ryan Sutter - The Bachelorette Winner
6.) Clarence Moore - In the last two years of his career, had the same amount of tackles as receptions. Little known fact: Had fingers made of Land O'Lakes sticks.
7.) Hard to say

[admartian]

Travis Taylor for me. Simply because he was a top 10 pick. And at that high, you almost have to have at least one 1000 yard season for a WR.

But I can understand why Boller is the pick because he cost us an extra first round pick. I still remmebr the back to back massive games from him against the Vikes and then the Pack where he 'broke out'.

Adan Terry is up there. Mark Clayton I am kinda iffy on - yes he was mediocre at ebst for us, but he's proven to be a decent numebr 2 or 3 for the Rams before getting injured.

I don't think he ever was a true number 1.

[harfordravenfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1330546127' post='1007352']
It has to be Kyle Boller. Remember, we traded back INTO the first round in 03 to take him, costing us our first round pick in 04. That pick turned out to the the 21st pick overall. The following pro-bowlers were within 14 picks of that gaffe: Vince Wilfork, who the Patriots used our 21st pick on, Steven Jackson to the Rams at 24, Jason Babin to Houston at 27, and Chris Snee at 34. Kyle Boller not only set us back in his draft, but the next draft as well.
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Agreed, good topic and boller for me hands down. Not only for reasons already mentioned but how the coach just kept defending him to no end. Seemed like an eternity how it dragged out.

[Purple Punishment]

Any wideout we drafted before last season

[scrock]

Dan Cody disappointed me, he got injured and never did play

...of course any QB before Flacco was a disappointment

[redlobster]

Travis taylor

Dan Cody

Kyle Boller

Musa Smith (especially since his father was also convicted of charges relating to the 93 WTC Bombing!, although that has nothing to do with the draft)


in that order

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330544105' post='1007323']
Boller. Not even close. Put Flacco on those teams, we'd have been a dynasty.
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Our defense was great back then but even know it is a top 3 defense and we have 0 super bowls....so a dynasty is a stretch.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330576354' post='1008008']
Our defense was great back then but even know it is a top 3 defense and we have 0 super bowls....so a dynasty is a stretch.
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A top 3 defense with Ray and Ed declining. Ray and Ed in their primes pretty much erases anyone on the defense we have right now. The only thing we didn't have was a dominant Dlineman that we have in Ngata now.

Add in an actual lockdown press corner in McAlister as well as Jamal Lewis and things get kind of lopsided pretty quick.

[redrum52]

Just looked back at the 05 draft and damn was that a disappointment. Mark Clayton, Dan Cody then Adam Terry in the 3rd. Yuck, I'm ashamed Ozzie. The only highlight of that draft was Jason Brown and he's long gone. If I remember right though the 05 draft might not have had that much talent, sans Rodgers. Also got Derek Anderson.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1330576580' post='1008011']
A top 3 defense with Ray and Ed declining. Ray and Ed in their primes pretty much erases anyone on the defense we have right now. The only thing we didn't have was a dominant Dlineman that we have in Ngata now.

Add in an actual lockdown press corner in McAlister as well as Jamal Lewis and things get kind of lopsided pretty quick.
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Yet a dynsaty? Come on thats unrealistic, we had no receivers, having Joe Flacco would not of made us a dynasty....

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330577028' post='1008017']
Yet a dynsaty? Come on thats unrealistic, we had no receivers, having Joe Flacco would not of made us a dynasty....
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I dont think we would have been a dynasty, but I really think with Joe in the early 2000s we would have another Super Bowl trophy in the case.

[-Truth-]

Worse than what? Sorry, I had to.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

So what were saying here is Dilfer > or = Flacco. Flacco turned Mason into a #1 WR. What did mason do in NY or Texas? Flacco cant make a receiver look good is crazy to say. Mason loved Flacco for his ability to get him the ball.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330577028' post='1008017']
Yet a dynsaty? Come on thats unrealistic, we had no receivers, having Joe Flacco would not of made us a dynasty....
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I'm more than willing to bet that we would have won two more SBs if Flacco were here all of last decade, rather than the end of it. Three SB's in a decade sounds like a dynasty to me.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1330577104' post='1008019']
I dont think we would have been a dynasty, but I really think with Joe in the early 2000s we would have another Super Bowl trophy in the case.
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2001 probably but 2004?

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1330578907' post='1008037']
So what were saying here is Dilfer > or = Flacco. Flacco turned Mason into a #1 WR. What did mason do in NY or Texas? Flacco cant make a receiver look good is crazy to say. Mason loved Flacco for his ability to get him the ball.
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Um, Mason was old and they weren't playing to his strengths. McNair made Mason in Tennessee.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330579108' post='1008039']

I'm more than willing to bet that we would have won two more SBs if Flacco were here all of last decade, rather than the end of it. Three SB's in a decade sounds like a dynasty to me.
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I doubt it but whatever lol 3 super bowls in a 10 year span is a lot and the way you sound so confident about it makes you sound nuts! lol

Although Flacco would of benefited with having a Jamal Lewis and Jonathon ogden.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330579778' post='1008045']
Um, Mason was old and they weren't playing to his strengths. McNair made Mason in Tennessee.
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Who said anything about tenessee? Mason did work here and that was Flaccos "security blanket" but yet he couldnt even stay on a team after the Ravens. You use points that dont even validate a argument.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330579856' post='1008046']

I doubt it but whatever lol 3 super bowls in a 10 year span is a lot and the way you sound so confident about it makes you sound nuts! lol

Although Flacco would of benefited with having a Jamal Lewis and Jonathon ogden.
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We already won one, you really thinks it's nuts to think we could have gotten another two considering how our 2001, 2003 or 2006 seasons went?

And yeah, I think it's safe to say that having Ogden protecting Flacco instead of guys like McKinney and Oher would have made slight difference.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1330580100' post='1008048']
Who said anything about tenessee? Mason did work here and that was Flaccos "security blanket" but yet he couldnt even stay on a team after the Ravens. You use points that dont even validate a argument.
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My point being he was old....see why Randy Moss and T.O. arent in the league....this thing called age...

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330583910' post='1008065']

My point being he was old....see why Randy Moss and T.O. arent in the league....this thing called age...
[/quote]ive noticed you always no matter the topic or point take away from flacco!! I dont think i can recall you ever saying anything positive about the guy...why? I just feel like you never give him credit and imo i dont think you like the guy period and i know im not the only one who notices this.


P.s. Not trying to start another debate just trying to figure this out

[Alexir]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1330587487' post='1008073']
ive noticed you always no matter the topic or point take away from flacco!! I dont think i can recall you ever saying anything positive about the guy...why? I just feel like you never give him credit and imo i dont think you like the guy period and i know im not the only one who notices this.


P.s. Not trying to start another debate just trying to figure this out [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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I think it's just ridiculous to assume that we would be a dynasty with Flacco back then when we have zero Super bowls with him now and we have much better receivers now than we did back then.

I don't dislike him, I've never met him. He seems really chill, I just don't worship him and put him on pedestal he doesn't belong on.

[Hjulmann]

Ed Reed was our worst

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330588556' post='1008076']

I think it's just ridiculous to assume that we would be a dynasty with Flacco back then when we have zero Super bowls with him now and we have much better receivers now than we did back then.

I don't dislike him, I've never met him. He seems really chill, I just don't worship him and put him on pedestal he doesn't belong on.
[/quote]yeah i agree its hard to say we would be a dynasty but i believe we could of had atleast 1 by now...and i also agree he shouldnt be on a pedistool but i do think hes underrated and doesnt get half the credit by most fans and analyst out there....its hard to explain but it just seems like you kinda knit pick and somehow downsize him in a way with every topic that has something to do with him...im just saying its like an irritating itch you just have to scratch it seems like lol

[raybaby]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1330589577' post='1008079']
yeah i agree its hard to say we would be a dynasty but i believe we could of had atleast 1 by now...and i also agree he shouldnt be on a pedistool but i do think hes underrated and doesnt get half the credit by most fans and analyst out there....its hard to explain but it just seems like you kinda knit pick and somehow downsize him in a way with every topic that has something to do with him...im just saying its like an irritating itch you just have to scratch it seems like lol
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Yup he didn't need to respond about the Flacco comment but he just HAD to lol. Every thread he turns it into a Flacco debate... a fan thinks Joe would have brought us back more trophies if he were there when the defense was in their prime... ok? who caresss lol

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330579719' post='1008044']
2001 probably but 2004?
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I was going to say 2003, the 2001 team wasn't the same team as the 2000 team by a long shot. 2003 Jamal had just rushed for 2000+ yards, we had a young Heap who was emerging as one of the top pass catching TEs in the league, Ed had a year under his belt, Ray would win his 2nd DPOY award, CMac was in his prime and JO was just on the end of his prime.

That team with a real QB could have made some significant noise.

[flynismo]

Well, very simple...I don't think it's crazy to call a team a dynasty if they win 3 SB in a decade, and make the playoffs nearly every other year they don't win it all. So, scoff at the idea all you want, but as I said, it is no stretch to think that we could have won two more, especially in the years I mentioned.

I realize that makes me a homer who worships Flacco and puts him on a pedastel since I said something positive about the guy, but any Ravens fan who followed football back then can tell you that the only thing our team truly needed back then was a real QB.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330613837' post='1008181']
Well, very simple...I don't think it's crazy to call a team a dynasty if[b] they win 3 SB in a decade[/b], and make the playoffs nearly every other year they don't win it all. So, scoff at the idea all you want, but as I said, it is no stretch to think that we could have won two more, especially in the years I mentioned.

I realize that makes me a homer who worships Flacco and puts him on a pedastel since I said something positive about the guy, but any Ravens fan who followed football back then can tell you that the only thing our team truly needed back then was a real QB.
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Aren't we already calling the early 2000s Patriots a dynasty, even in spite of Spy Gate - in fact, I've heard some call it The Spy Gate Dynasty. And I believe you can call the 90s Cowboys a dynasty. So I agree - 3 Superbowl wins in a short period constitutes a dynasty.