Jason Lacanfora Reports Joe Flacco Seeking A Deal In The Range Of $15Mill A Yr

[raybaby]

Many have said he should get in the 12 to 15 range. If you don't like it.. well sucks

[VJax83]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1330237534' post='1003246']


Why are we pretending like the Ravens aren't sold on Joe Flacco? They came out at the end of the year and said so. It's a foregone conclusion that, barring injury, he will be the QB of the Baltimore Ravens.
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Exactly, the nitpickers keep pointing how Flacco doesn't do this well or that well as if they actually think they can stop the Ravens from giving Joe his new contract. I just don't get why they feel the need to do this now, it's not going to change anything. Joseph Vincent Flacco will get his new contract before the season starts and they should just shutup and accept it.

[berad]

[quote name='VJax83' timestamp='1330238640' post='1003252']
Exactly, the nitpickers keep pointing how Flacco doesn't do this well or that well as if they actually think they can stop the Ravens from giving Joe his new contract. I just don't get why they feel the need to do this now, it's not going to change anything. Joseph Vincent Flacco will get his new contract before the season starts and they should just shutup and accept it.
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I mean, Ozzie, John, and Steve have all talked about it and put Flacco in a very positive light, putting praise on him, and saying they want him on the Ravens for a long time. I don't think they're doing it facetiously lol

[VJax83]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1330239097' post='1003254']


I mean, Ozzie, John, and Steve have all talked about it and put Flacco in a very positive light, putting praise on him, and saying they want him on the Ravens for a long time. I don't think they're doing it facetiously lol
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The nitpickers and haters apparently think the Ravens brass are putting on an act. They just haven't accepted reality just yet LOL. The minor lobbying for Peyton Manning by some of the haters (it's really about 5 knuckleheads who call into 105.7 the fan)is ridiculous. Someone (reporter) asked Ozzie at the combine yesterday about Manning possibly becoming a Raven and he laughed and basically gave the "are you serious" reaction (he once again said Joe is the Ravens QB of the future). The Ravens support for Joe is very real, I can't say the same thing for the Jets support for Mark Sanchez since they gave the "we'll explore every option" line.

[berad]

[quote name='VJax83' timestamp='1330239709' post='1003257']
The nitpickers and haters apparently think the Ravens brass are putting on an act. They just haven't accepted reality just yet LOL. The minor lobbying for Peyton Manning by some of the haters (it's really about 5 knuckleheads who call into 105.7 the fan)is ridiculous. [b]Someone (reporter) asked Ozzie at the combine yesterday about Manning possibly becoming a Raven and he laughed and basically gave the "are you serious" reaction (he once again said Joe is the Ravens QB of the future). The Ravens support for Joe is very real, I can't say the same thing for the Jets support for Mark Sanchez since they gave the "we'll explore every option" line.[/b]
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Seriously! Ozzie was loling at a mention of Peyton Manning whereas Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum gave their best [i]'he's with someone else so we can't talk about him'[/i] answer. Ozzie identified OL and WR as two of the biggest needs heading into the off-season, perplexing how he left our "weak-link" off of that list.

[theFRANCHISE]

I remember a time when people jumped the gun during Mark Sanchez's rookie year and lamented why Flacco couldn't be more like Sanchez.

I'm pretty sure none of those people have stuck around in the 3 seasons that passed.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='VJax83' timestamp='1330236745' post='1003239']


Joe's supporting cast hasn't always been there for him and if I recall you seem to be ok with bringing back the receiver (Lee Evans) who ruined Joe's chances of make a really big name for himself. You are right about one thing, you don't matter so what's the point of you making your argument since the man is going to get his money regardless of what you say. I know it's a free country and everyone is entilted to their opinion but in this case just bow out and don't even bother trying to make a case for why Joe shouldn't get paid, just accept defeat.
[/quote]exactly lol

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='VJax83' timestamp='1330236745' post='1003239']


Joe's supporting cast hasn't always been there for him and if I recall you seem to be ok with bringing back the receiver (Lee Evans) who ruined Joe's chances of make a really big name for himself. You are right about one thing, you don't matter so what's the point of you making your argument since the man is going to get his money regardless of what you say. I know it's a free country and everyone is entilted to their opinion but in this case just bow out and don't even bother trying to make a case for why Joe shouldn't get paid, just accept defeat.
[/quote]exactly lol

[Blex64]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1330227185' post='1003155']
JOE played against one of the worst defenses in the NFL... Brady played against one of the best. Joe ranked in the middle of the pack I think at 15 for qb rating... he deserves middle tier money. He is better than Fitzpatrick or Kolb but don't let that fool ya. He may be the best qb we have had since McNair but that's not saying much... we have never had much in the qb dept. Its funny because if troy smith had not got sick Joe may have never have got to play(we will never know).

FLACCO is a good qb and we need to let him play out his contract and next year if he still wants an overpaid contract let him find one elsewhere. We may have a gem in Taylor we may not but Flacco is not elite and to be honest he doesn't deserve over 8 or 9 per. Hate me if you want but Baltimore plays defense thats why we win not because our offense does. And when Ray retires the team will belong to Suggs and Ngata not Flacco or Rice.

Lets just be honest here no one outside of Baltimore believes he is that good and a few from Baltimore as well so I don't think that another team is going to swoop in and outbid us when there a so many good qbs in the draft and a few free agents that will come cheaper. So most teams will focus on them.
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I'm not sure if you're serious or not on that last part. The players and coaches are perfectly aware of his abilities and how good he is, and if we cut him today I guarantee you all 31 other teams would put in a waiver request. He would start for the vast majority of teams in the league, regardless of what NFL Network, ESPN, or random fans say about him.

As far as what other fans DO think about him? I was in Wisconsin visiting family over Christmas (before the Pack had lost any games keep in mind). Went to Wild Wings to watch our Christmas Eve game and I was extremely surprised...everyone there was very complimentary of Flacco and was calling him a champ. I talked football with probably 15 or 16 different people and only one of them didn't like him...and that one guy is in his 80's. Keep in mind, again, this is coming from Green Bay fans who hold the reigning MVP and one of the best QB's in the league, and haven't been QB starved in, what, 20 years? Flacco has been a champ for us, and he absolutely deserves the contract coming his way.

Then again, you seem to want Taylor to start so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The running-QB bandwagon we have in Baltimore is absurd. Or is it just the usual "backup QB is the most popular guy in town" thing?

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1330203728' post='1002753']I think 15 would be fair, if it includes incentives. I think a base of 9-10, with incentives up to 15 would be ideal.[/quote]

Agreed.

Off topic: If Flacco never learns to make reads and go through progressions I'm going to cry.

[Radinho84]

if we pay him and lock him up- fine. for the right price nobody will be against that. he also has one year left. i don´t like paying him before his rookie contract is over. i know ozzy don´t want him to play in his final year.

at the end of the day we could overpay or we pay just enough. if we don´t give him a new contract and he puts up numbers like the last 4 seasons his agent would´t have that much arguments for 15 mil. per year.

but if he finally breaks out (and by breaking out i am not talking about one good game against the patriots. i am talking about a consistent season- something i haven´t seen from him yet), we might be in trouble signing him for 15mil per year.

i am no way a flacco hater. but just because we haven´t had success with QBs lately does´t mean that you overpay a middle of the pack guy.

i don´t want to start a new discussion about who wins games for us. in my eyes we are known for our defense. everybody is scared to play against our defense. i don´t think anybody is that scared about our offense.

i don´t know if this is telling something but just because some stupid teams overpay true bums does´t mean that we have to be stupid.
give him what he deserves. nobody knows that better than ozzy!!

[arnie_uk]

Who ever said flacco is going to be over paid watch how much Flynn gets based on what 3 or 4 games then try and say flacco is over paid

[Radinho84]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1330256018' post='1003295']
Who ever said flacco is going to be over paid watch how much Flynn gets based on what 3 or 4 games then try and say flacco is over paid
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flynn will probably get paid big because of the one big game last season-lol

i never gonna understand the business in the nfl!!

[steeler hater]

Anyone here who says "I'd pay 8-9 million, max" is actually saying that they want a different qb, because $8million/yr is never going to happen. So, who is your replacement for Joe?

[cobrajet]

$13.5 million would be fair. That's a truck load of money that I could only dream about. I know Joe has to work on his reads, but he is durable and his arm strength is very good. I think Jim Caldwell will make him a little better.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1330249768' post='1003283']

Agreed.

Off topic: If Flacco never learns to make reads and go through progressions I'm going to cry.
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Progressions are overrated. Reads are big but progressions are overrated, and that's according to Tom brady. Brady was basically saying you almost never have time to go to your third progression in the NFL.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1330265842' post='1003339']


Progressions are overrated. Reads are big but progressions are overrated, and that's according to Tom brady. Brady was basically saying you almost never have time to go to your third progression in the NFL.
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Flacco never gets past the first... he looks stares them doen waits and then hopes Rice is available and now teams are taking him away... so what's next.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1330245013' post='1003272']


I'm not sure if you're serious or not on that last part. The players and coaches are perfectly aware of his abilities and how good he is, and if we cut him today I guarantee you all 31 other teams would put in a waiver request. He would start for the vast majority of teams in the league, regardless of what NFL Network, ESPN, or random fans say about him.

As far as what other fans DO think about him? I was in Wisconsin visiting family over Christmas (before the Pack had lost any games keep in mind). Went to Wild Wings to watch our Christmas Eve game and I was extremely surprised...everyone there was very complimentary of Flacco and was calling him a champ. I talked football with probably 15 or 16 different people and only one of them didn't like him...and that one guy is in his 80's. Keep in mind, again, this is coming from Green Bay fans who hold the reigning MVP and one of the best QB's in the league, and haven't been QB starved in, what, 20 years? Flacco has been a champ for us, and he absolutely deserves the contract coming his way.

Then again, you seem to want Taylor to start so I guess I shouldn't be surprised. The running-QB bandwagon we have in Baltimore is absurd. Or is it just the usual "backup QB is the most popular guy in town" thing?
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I am here near cincy fans where this the first year I have had chance to say my qb beat your team in a long while... I get laughed at because a rookie qb beat out our for pro bowl honors...

31 teams huh... that's funny because he was ranked 18 among qbs last year.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1330267993' post='1003392']
Flacco never gets past the first... he looks stares them doen waits and then hopes Rice is available and now teams are taking him away... so what's next.
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Basically he goes to his first, which isn't open, then second which isn't open, then by design rice. It'd be nice if someone worried about people getting open.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1330254883' post='1003289']
if we pay him and lock him up- fine. for the right price nobody will be against that. he also has one year left. i don´t like paying him before his rookie contract is over. i know ozzy don´t want him to play in his final year.
[/quote]

Statistically, he is coming off a down year. We'll never have a better time than now to sign him at top value. What if we win the SB next year? The contract he gets now will look like a steal.

[BabydollFlacco5]

Another meeting is expected to occur in roughly 10 days. The overriding goal will be to do a deal that holds up over time, taking into account the increases in the salary cap that will come as the new TV contracts kick in.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1330202835' post='1002734']
15 a year is too high for Flacco. Ozzie won't give him that, I'd be surprised if its more than 12. If Im Ozzie I'm shooting for the 9-11 range.
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But he has won sooooooo many games.


I think he will get 13 max.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330277056' post='1003630']
But he has won sooooooo many games.
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That is true.

Unlike Boller, who had a better defense and at least as good a RB to cover his rear. Boller was a loser, Flacco is a winner, that's the difference, and why Flacco is going to get paid.

I agree with $12 - $13M; I think that's what he'll ultimately get.

[SpearSrai]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330282266' post='1003851']

That is true.

Unlike Boller, who had a better defense and at least as good a RB to cover his rear. Boller was a loser, Flacco is a winner, that's the difference, and why Flacco is going to get paid.

I agree with $12 - $13M; I think that's what he'll ultimately get.
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What did Kolb and Cassel get? And what are the Falcons trying to pay Ryan?

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330282266' post='1003851']

That is true.

Unlike Boller, who had a better defense and at least as good a RB to cover his rear. Boller was a loser, Flacco is a winner, that's the difference, and why Flacco is going to get paid.

I agree with $12 - $13M; I think that's what he'll ultimately get.
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Comparing him to QBs we have had in the past and Qbs in the league is 2 separate entities.

We know he is better than Boller, Elvis, Anderson, dilfer, etc. but who in the league is he better than? what tier of contracts should he get? Top ten? I don't see it.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Eli
Peyton
Roethlisberger
Newton
Stafford
Rivers
Romo

[flynismo]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1330282334' post='1003855']

What did Kolb and Cassel get? And what are the Falcons trying to pay Ryan?
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They got plenty. But our FO is a little craftier than those others.

Keep in mind that I'm the guy who said last week that if Flacco demand $15M or he is leaving, I would ask him if he prefers cash or check.

Funny enough, now reports are coming out that he is seeking $15M -- maybe I jinxed us??

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1330282589' post='1003865']
Comparing him to QBs we have had in the past and Qbs in the league is 2 separate entities.

We know he is better than Boller, Elvis, Anderson, dilfer, etc. but who in the league is he better than? what tier of contracts should he get? Top ten? I don't see it.

Rodgers
Brees
Brady
Eli
Peyton
Roethlisberger
Newton
Stafford
Rivers
Romo
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We've had this debate too many times....lol

You don't see it, I do, neither of us are going to change our opinion on that.

[SpearSrai]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330282640' post='1003866']

Keep in mind that I'm the guy who said last week that if Flacco demand $15M or he is leaving, I would ask him if he prefers cash or check.

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Apologies, but I don't understand this phrase - does this mean we'd let him walk, or give him a check for $15 mil?

[flynismo]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1330282758' post='1003872']

Apologies, but I don't understand this phrase - does this mean we'd let him walk, or give him a check for $15 mil?
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Basically, if Flacco told us he wants $15M per year or else he would not renegotiate his contract with us and sign with another team next year instead, I would pay him his $15M per year without hesitation.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1330282719' post='1003870']


We've had this debate too many times....lol

You don't see it, I do, neither of us are going to change our opinion on that.
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I'm not knocking him this time, from a contract stand point, where does Joe measure up with the rest of league?

Is a hefty contract something Flacco has earned or is he getting it from riding the coattails of rice and the defense? I would love to be a fly on the wall of the contract talks because Ozzie will talk Joe down to get his agent to get a lower contract.