What Is Chris Carr's Trade Value?

[rmw10]

[quote name='killaflacco' timestamp='1329944357' post='1000121']


he has quick feet good hands and hes 6 ft+.hes like an upgraded version of mason and a faster version of boldin.hed fit perfect in our offense opposite torrey.
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Ochocinco 3 years ago had that. Ochocinco today is slow, couldn't even cut in in NE where the desperately needed someone to step up at WR besides Welker.

[Gordo52]

I'd say ....hmmmm 6th. Maybe 5th.

[sameoldbull]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1329932117' post='999903']
I dont think we should write off, and I dont think our team will write him off just yet. He had a bad year last year flagged with injuries and if you remember he played pretty damn well in 2010 he was 2nd on our team in interceptions next to Ed Reed. And I think he adds good depth to our CBs we dont have that many corners. With Webb and Cary Williams amongst free agents who else do we have? Jimmy Smith, Carr, Cheike Brown, Danny Gorrer. Aside from Smith Webb and Williams Carr is the next dependable guy. And the other great thing is he is only due 2.5M this year thats not that much, if we made him take a paycut then he played better this year he is due about 3M next year and if he doesnt do good we can cut him then. I think people on here are overestimating our cornerback depth.
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I am a bit torn about what to do with Carr. I agree with you that he provides depth and that is not to be underestimated. If he is traded, I guess we wil save roughly about $2.5-3 mio in cap space. But then again, by trading him we might be able to resign some of our starters, think Grubbs or McClain. To compare Marshal Yanda´s had a cap hit of $4 mio. in the 2011 season and $6.5 mio. in the upcoming season. By trading Carr we might be able to resign him!

When looking at depth at cornerback for the next season, I think we have enough compared to other positions. I think it is certain that we will offer tenders to Webb and Williams (1st for Webb and 2nd for Williams) with a combined estimated worth of about $4.8 mio. That's a bargain for two starting corners. That leaves us with Webb and Williams as our starters, hell maybe even Jimmy Smith will be able to wriggle Cary Williams' starting spot away from him.

I think it would be a good idea to resign Danny Gorrer, I am really high on him. I think he is fast, solid in coverage, a contributor on ST, upside and will come cheap! I really don't know about Chykie Brown, but I guess he provides more depth.

That leaves us with: Two starting CBs (Webb & Williams), a great nickelback (Smith) and two CB for depth (Gorrer & Brown). If we resign Nakamura even he can play the nickel in some packages (I think we should, he is good depth at safety/nickelback, contributes on ST and should come cheap). That is a lot of depth compared to our O-line.

The only solid starters we have are: Oher, Yanda and McKinnie.
Depth: Harewood and Reid.
We need two starters and I really don't know if Harewood or Reid could move inside (or even if they are starting material).

So yes depth at cornerback is great. But I think starters are a bigger need. His value? I don't think it's gonna be that much - a 6th because of recent injuries and age.

[Purple_ICE 81]

I just hope we get the webbster back

[jdynamite]

I hope the team can trade Carr for a 4th or 5th round pick.

[cobrajet]

Carr may need to stay to add depth if we don't draft a CB. I know we have Gorrer and Brown behind our three starters Webb, Smith, and Williams, but Brown is still learning . (Of course I am predicting that Foxworth will be sacrificed because of the cap)

[Suggs Package]

I'd say Carr is worth all that and a bag of chips. But in terms of the NFL, we may be able to get a late round pick for him, but I'd rather keep Chris Carr than have a 7th round pick.

[jazz1988]

I think carr is atleast worth a fourth round pick. I rather the ravens keep him around because I believe he is the ravens nickel cornerback and Ladarius Webb, Jimmy Smith, and Cary Williams are mostly best at handling the outside but it possible that Gorrer or either Brown can prove to be better than Carr

[Marc2k6]

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[rmw10]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1330042353' post='1001179']
I think carr is atleast worth a fourth round pick. I rather the ravens keep him around because I believe he is the ravens nickel cornerback and Ladarius Webb, Jimmy Smith, and Cary Williams are mostly best at handling the outside but it possible that Gorrer or either Brown can prove to be better than Carr
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An aging 4th string corner, with a pretty hefty contract for his role is no where near a 4th.

[jazz1988]

[quote name='rmw10' timestamp='1330043887' post='1001222']

An aging 4th string corner, with a pretty hefty contract for his role is no where near a 4th.
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The only reason why Carr became a 4th string was because he wasn't healthy all season and obviously since Jimmy Smith was a first round he was going to get his chance to start regardless. I think Carr is atleast worth a fourth round or fifth round pick no way he's worth lower than that.


Carr may be the 4th string cornerback right now but if he was on the patriots, colts, jaguars, buccaneers, and etc he would be atleast be the number two cornerback. The way Carr played in 2010 seems to me fourth or fifth round worthy and I know that's different from 2011 but the way he played in 2010 will always be on his resume which could be used by the ravens to get fourth/fifth round pick

[rmw10]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1330045320' post='1001259']


The only reason why Carr became a 4th string was because he wasn't healthy all season and obviously since Jimmy Smith was a first round he was going to get his chance to start regardless. I think Carr is atleast worth a fourth round or fifth round pick no way he's worth lower than that.


Carr may be the 4th string cornerback right now but if he was on the patriots, colts, jaguars, buccaneers, and etc he would be atleast be the number two cornerback. The way Carr played in 2010 seems to me fourth or fifth round worthy and I know that's different from 2011 but the way he played in 2010 will always be on his resume which could be used by the ravens to get fourth/fifth round pick
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I understand why he's a 4th stringer, but there's no way any team would give up a 4th rounder for him.

[SecretAgentMan]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1330045320' post='1001259']


The only reason why Carr became a 4th string was because he wasn't healthy all season and obviously since Jimmy Smith was a first round he was going to get his chance to start regardless. I think Carr is atleast worth a fourth round or fifth round pick no way he's worth lower than that.


Carr may be the 4th string cornerback right now but if he was on the patriots, colts, jaguars, buccaneers, and etc he would be atleast be the number two cornerback. The way Carr played in 2010 seems to me fourth or fifth round worthy and I know that's different from 2011 but the way he played in 2010 will always be on his resume which could be used by the ravens to get fourth/fifth round pick
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Fourth at best, mabe third (to a desperate team like the rams who need a young CB)

[SuRihtanil]

I'll rework his contract if not trade him and Foxworth both. The problem with trading either no one wants them and even if they did they don't want to give up anything for them. In my opinion to get rid of them you would basically have to give them to another team to free up the Ravens cap.

[redrum52]

If we could get a fifth or under and Ozzie sees talent in that round I say take it. We only got a 7th for Barnes which I still think was a dumb trade so I don't see much value in Carr. If we can't trade him I also don't mind him staying. Last year was one of the first where our secondary stayed healthy. We usually have trouble keeping those guys on the field, atleast recently so the more the better. We also don't know how Carr will come back next season cause say what you want he was our most reliable corner the season prior and most of us had no problem with the contract he was given(there were a few who didn't like the deal but can't remember who).

[grape drank]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1329880317' post='999539']
He was a shutdown CB last year. This year, as soon as he made a big mistake in the his starting game, other CBs took over and did a phenomenal job. And let's be real honest, Chris Carr is ALOT better than several CB in starting position in the league. If you look at Cowboys,Colts,Jaguars, Carr would be #2 CB immediately.

I would say his role in ravens rest alot on whether we maintain Cary Williams/Gorrer in #3/#4 CB roster. If he can't top Cary/Gorrer he is traded. I think its a fair chance he would garner a 5th/6th rounder at least.
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gave you a plus one because I don't really see why you deserved a neg. My opinion would be that he is overpaid,[i] I[/i] like gorer more than him, give Chykie a shot, maybe draft a late round small school talent just for insurance. at the moment I'd like to clean house at our CB position we have Jimmy, Cary and Webb who are all capable corners to say the least. Gorrer does well and is apparently the fastest of all of them. Chykie is a bigger corner as well.......give those guys a shot and get rid of Foxworth and Carr.

[adam713]

Chris Carr is also studying to be a lawyer so not sure how many years this guy has. But I believe Chris Carr has the trade value equal to the ratio of unicorns to leprechauns.

[Lawbrum]

I will respectfully disagree with anyone on here that thinks Carr is worht anything. I watched him play in Tennessee and saw the same play as a Raven. He play soft coverage and then makes a tackle. He will get an INT on those rare plays where the ball is thrwon right to him. He is certainly not a ball hawk like Webb, nor was he ever in his career. He plays soft to not get beat deep and then makes tackels. For some reason, a lot of people think that is good corner play. I dont agree, but oh well. I seriously doubt anyone would trade a pick to us for Carr. If they do, I will be the first o eat my own words. Any tape on him is going to show exactly what I am saying. At least some "bad" corners have some upside, some athletic ability and with some coaching may get better. Carr is what he is. He has no upside

[balrodiehard]

Carr and Foxworth can both go, trade or release. Cap space cleared can prove a much more valuable asset.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Lawbrum' timestamp='1330107389' post='1001674']
I will respectfully disagree with anyone on here that thinks Carr is worht anything. I watched him play in Tennessee and saw the same play as a Raven. He play soft coverage and then makes a tackle. He will get an INT on those rare plays where the ball is thrwon right to him. He is certainly not a ball hawk like Webb, nor was he ever in his career. He plays soft to not get beat deep and then makes tackels. For some reason, a lot of people think that is good corner play. I dont agree, but oh well. I seriously doubt anyone would trade a pick to us for Carr. If they do, I will be the first o eat my own words. Any tape on him is going to show exactly what I am saying. At least some "bad" corners have some upside, some athletic ability and with some coaching may get better. Carr is what he is. He has no upside
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Smart quick good in zone coverage. Tampa 2 corner. But yeah like you said he is what he is and doesn't fit the system we have now. A team like the colts or patriots love corners like Carr. Just make the tackle or knock the ball down. They invest cap space in the dline so they don't have to pay corners just to knock the ball down

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1330110176' post='1001706']


Smart quick good in zone coverage. Tampa 2 corner. But yeah like you said he is what he is and doesn't fit the system we have now. A team like the colts or patriots love corners like Carr. Just make the tackle or knock the ball down. They invest cap space in the dline so they don't have to pay corners just to knock the ball down
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Carr is perfect for Tampa 2 teams. Colts, Patriots, and Bengals would be great places for him to go. His salary isn't that much, so we might keep him if we will probably keep him if we can't trade just like we did Foxworth last year.

[ravensdfan]

I don't know. He doesn't have trade value to us because we look at Webb, Jimmy, shoot, even Gorrer. There are some teams out there that are beyond light at CB though that I think would see it differently than we do.

I think to some of those teams he would be worth a 7th and possibly a 6th.

[display name]

I would honestly like to see us restructure Chris Carr's contract. If he consents, I'd keep him. If not, adios. Chris Carr is a good, solid veteran cornerback. He is great for depth and can come in when guys like halarious need a rest. Carr can also play special teams. He should stay.

[Ravens Beast]

I wouldn't trade half of a ham sandwich for him

[ravefan52]

We could use him to move up a couple picks for someone we really want in the draft

[ravefan52]

Cut him and Foxworth and sign a veteran CB

[scrock]

[quote name='bmull' timestamp='1329878319' post='999513']
I was just wondering if it is a possibility that we could trade Chris Carr, seeing that he a pretty big contract for a corner we don't even use that much. What do you think we could get out of him? Would a trade be worth it?
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not much..unless its to a team that is really hit hard at CB with injuries or just lack of depth...they'd probably have to restructure his deal so he'd be cheaper....in a trade you can probably get a 4th rounder for him...when healthy he can start for you and be effective, he did for us the year before

[bmull]

Well we cut him, guess we won't be getting any draft picks out of him.