Mike Wallace To The Bengals?

[Moderator 3]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1329529917' post='996790']
Please tell me your joking.[/quote]

He's not. It's true.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1329529917' post='996790']

Please tell me your joking.
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No joke... Happened today. I say Flacco isn't resigned til next year. He can wait just like everyone before him has. There will be a lot of space cleared from Ray and Ed most likely retiring. Next year we also need to worry about resigning the TEs though I think we will be able to tender them so wouldn't be surprised if we went after one in later rounds. I honestly don't know what Wallace has done to be called a punk unless you call burning teams secondary bad behavior. I think he has a good work ethic and is much less of a problem than Desean. I wouldn't trade a first for him cause of our situation but I could see many teams making that move.

[Militant X 1]

Schefter said that the Ravens need to consider Wallace as well.

~Mili

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1329530986' post='996802']
Schefter said that the Ravens need to consider Wallace as well.

~Mili
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This may sound weird but I actually do not want any teams to bite on Wallace and give the Steelers their first rounder. All Wallace really does is stretch the field. His other routes are suspect and his short game is pretty bad. Aside from his homerun ability, he really is not worth a whole bunch.

I feel it would actually be beneficial for the Steelers to lose him. They have two very fast WR's behind him and won't have to pay his contract. They will also recieve another 1st rounder. They could use that to get a better all around receiver than Wallace. Or they could select two O lineman and sure up their O line. I may be the only one but I hope that no one offers Wallace and the Steelers just lose him outright next year when he is a UFA.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1329513508' post='996604']

No, I would like to have Wallace but no way am I giving the Steelers of all teams our first round pick.
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getting wallace for a 29th pick is like winning the lottery!

[itscbm5042]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1329565947' post='996929']
getting wallace for a 29th pick is like winning the lottery!
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He is right. Mike Wallace is better than any WR coming out of this draft because he has proven it on the field. Very few teams, if any, could successfully defend Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace with Anquan Boldin in the slot. It makes a lot of sense because like the above poster said you are getting Mike Wallace for the 29th overall pick, which is highway robbery. Here is a very possible scenario:

Ravens trade 29th overall pick for Mike Wallace
Ravens obtain 1st rd pick for Lardarius Webb (I hate losing him but I see another team with the cap space trading for and signing him)

Ravens now have Mike Wallace and a 1st round pick for Lardarius Webb in effect. Who doesn't do that deal? You do it every day of the week. But you have to sign Wallace to a deal, which means Grubbs goes bye bye. With the news of a healthy Harewood I stick him at LG or sign a Brian Waters/Andre Gurode type which come out every year.

With the first round pick I still go O Line here with Konz or LB if Burfict lights up the combine because plain and simple he plays like a Raven.

Now the Ravens offense consists of:

OL

McKinnie, Harewood, Konz, Yanda, Oher

QB

Flacco

RB

Rice, Allen

WR

Mike Wallace, Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin

TE

Dennis Pitta, Ed Dickson = RIDICULOUS (even with Cam calling the plays)

[Radinho84]

[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1329575970' post='996974']

He is right. Mike Wallace is better than any WR coming out of this draft because he has proven it on the field. Very few teams, if any, could successfully defend Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace with Anquan Boldin in the slot. It makes a lot of sense because like the above poster said you are getting Mike Wallace for the 29th overall pick, which is highway robbery. Here is a very possible scenario:

Ravens trade 29th overall pick for Mike Wallace
Ravens obtain 1st rd pick for Lardarius Webb (I hate losing him but I see another team with the cap space trading for and signing him)

Ravens now have Mike Wallace and a 1st round pick for Lardarius Webb in effect. Who doesn't do that deal? You do it every day of the week. But you have to sign Wallace to a deal, which means Grubbs goes bye bye. With the news of a healthy Harewood I stick him at LG or sign a Brian Waters/Andre Gurode type which come out every year.

With the first round pick I still go O Line here with Konz or LB if Burfict lights up the combine because plain and simple he plays like a Raven.

Now the Ravens offense consists of:

OL

McKinnie, Harewood, Konz, Yanda, Oher

QB

Flacco

RB

Rice, Allen

WR

Mike Wallace, Torrey Smith, Anquan Boldin

TE

Dennis Pitta, Ed Dickson = RIDICULOUS (even with Cam calling the plays)
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i don´t like that. lol

i don´t see webb going anywhere. he is a true raven. he´s gonna stay. i don´t think that you would leave that defense as long as the organization wants to keep you. there is no better play on earth to be as long as you are a defensive player. you can play with ray, sizzle, reed, ngata, pollard.

it´s just impressive what we have on defense!!!

webb is going to be a raven for life!!!

[jdynamite]

I saw this video also and I wanted to create a post, but I instead wrote it in the FA WR thread because I didn't want it to get merged....

Also he said the Bengals, Ravens and 49ers are all teams that could at the very least drive the price up of mike Wallace for the steelers to have to make huge roster changes or let a key piece of the offense to walk for a late 1st round draft pick.

[RavenousDefense]

I highly doubt that Wallace would come to us - I do not think that the Steelers, for one, would relish that option. In all honesty, I do not think that the Steelers would give Wallace up to anyone in the division - although yes, with their available cap room they do not really have that much of a choice.
Giving Wallace to the Bengals essentially shifts the balance of power in the AFC North. Everyone knows that . It gives Andy Dalton (who, despite the critics, did perform admirably this year) a another very dangerous weapon, rendering that offense extremely potent. Besides, that hits the Steelers (and us, to a certain extent) in the weak spot because let's face it, Polamalu cannot be everywhere, and to have to decide whether or not to focus on Green or Wallace? That's like picking your poison in the worse way because both are proven playmakers that have the clout to kill you.
Personally, I would rather have him out of the divison, even if it means that he doesn't come to the Ravens. He would cost a lot, money which we need to save for Rice and Grubbs and Flacco, and I would hate to limit the Wizard of Oz by giving him one less draft pick, a good one too moreover.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='itscbm5042' timestamp='1329575970' post='996974']

He is right. Mike Wallace is better than any WR coming out of this draft because he has proven it on the field. Very few teams, if any, could successfully defend Torrey Smith and Mike Wallace with Anquan Boldin in the slot. It makes a lot of sense because like the above poster said you are getting Mike Wallace for the 29th overall pick, which is highway robbery. Here is a very possible scenario:

Ravens trade 29th overall pick for Mike Wallace
Ravens obtain 1st rd pick for Lardarius Webb (I hate losing him but I see another team with the cap space trading for and signing him)

[b]Ravens now have Mike Wallace and a 1st round pick for Lardarius Webb in effect. Who doesn't do that deal? You do it every day of the week.[/b] But you have to sign Wallace to a deal, which means Grubbs goes bye bye. With the news of a healthy Harewood I stick him at LG or sign a Brian Waters/Andre Gurode type which come out every year.
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No, we just have Mike Wallace in exchange for Lardarius Webb. We have a first round pick either way.

I don't want to build the offense in expense of the defense. Unless we get something like the 3rd pick of the draft for Webb it would be a bad exchange overall. And even then if we lost him for that pick, I'd rather have two 1st rounders than a 1st and Wallace.

[codizzle]

I'd knly be halfway okay with the whole get Wallace lose Webb and keep a first... If we were soo completely certain that jimmy was ready and that Carr was comin back healthy this year.. I could live with a up n comin jimmy.. A 2nd year starter in Cary and a healthy Carr with gorrer itching for time

[Bltravens]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1329595943' post='997090'] No, we just have Mike Wallace in exchange for Lardarius Webb. We have a first round pick either way. I don't want to build the offense in expense of the defense. Unless we get something like the 3rd pick of the draft for Webb it would be a bad exchange overall. And even then if we lost him for that pick, I'd rather have two 1st rounders than a 1st and Wallace.[/quote]

I see what youre saying, but it wouldn't be a straight change of players between the Ravens and Steelers. Webb would go elsewhere and that team's pick coming to us.

My own two cents, I wouldnt do it for the life of me. A legit CB who plays outside, inside, man, zone, blitzes, has unbelievable ball skills and when his career dwindles will make a successful transition to FS. Why would you ever let that go? Unless the WR is TO in his prime without the character issues (which Wallace is not even close to being), I'm not doing that ever.

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[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1329596509' post='997094']
I'd knly be halfway okay with the whole get Wallace lose Webb and keep a first... If we were soo completely certain that jimmy was ready and that Carr was comin back healthy this year.. I could live with a up n comin jimmy.. A 2nd year starter in Cary and a healthy Carr with gorrer itching for time
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Cary will be a FA next year. I would not be happy with that deal at all. Webb is a player that when he loses his speed can be moved to another position and still be successful. When Wallace loses his speed are we sure his route running will be that much improved to really help this team? Players like Webb not only can shut down his man but when the mistake is made and he throws in the wrong spot he is liable to take it to the house. I would much rather keep Webb and trade Cary this year to gain picks. Wallace for Webb is no good in my book. But if we were to franchise and trade Rice that I wouldn't mind as much. One of our best players but I don't trust 2nd contract running backs.

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Cary will be a FA next year. I would not be happy with that deal at all. Webb is a player that when he loses his speed can be moved to another position and still be successful. When Wallace loses his speed are we sure his route running will be that much improved to really help this team? Players like Webb not only can shut down his man but when the mistake is made and he throws in the wrong spot he is liable to take it to the house. I would much rather keep Webb and trade Cary this year to gain picks. Wallace for Webb is no good in my book. But if we were to franchise and trade Rice that I wouldn't mind as much. One of our best players but I don't trust 2nd contract running backs.
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O.o Wallace is only 25.. I'm pretty sure he will keep his speed for a long time still....

Cary would not offer any trade value at all barely.. He's not on webb's level

As far as rice.. Way too early to even worry about stuff like that.. He's just hitting his prime bro

[codizzle]

I'm not saying I would do it all as much as I wouldn't be completely ticked off about it if we knew for sure our secondary was ready for next year

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1329598777' post='997115']

I see what youre saying, but it wouldn't be a straight change of players between the Ravens and Steelers. Webb would go elsewhere and that team's pick coming to us.

My own two cents, I wouldnt do it for the life of me. A legit CB who plays outside, inside, man, zone, blitzes, has unbelievable ball skills and when his career dwindles will make a successful transition to FS. Why would you ever let that go? Unless the WR is TO in his prime without the character issues (which Wallace is not even close to being), I'm not doing that ever.
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The post I was quoting made it seem that when you combine the two events, we end up with Wallace and an extra first rounder. I was just clearing that up. Of course the pick would be different.

I wouldn't give Webb away for anything, or anything that could actually happen (all the draft picks in the world would be nice). There's so much more you can do with a great CB than a great WR. And I've never been big on either. And just so we're all clear on this thread that Webb is more valuable than any WR of his skill is because of position:

1) You can look at it head-to-head. Not only can a great CB nearly vanish a great WR from the game, he can cause losses of downs (incomplete passes) and turnovers. A great WR can't do either of those. A CB has more potential for damage when you consider a pass to be caught as given.

2) Teams with stud receivers are not necessarily the best offenses. The best offenses are the ones with the best QBs that can spread the ball, along with the best O-line. Receivers are actually not as important.

3) Teams that build through FA do not fare better than teams that build through the draft. When you introduce new players, the team has to re-build chemistry. It matters more than your general fantasy football/Madden fan thinks.

Good luck to wherever Wallace goes. Safe to say I will not be worried about that team, just like I wasn't worried about the team that had him last year.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1329530986' post='996802']
Schefter said that the Ravens need to consider Wallace as well.

~Mili
[/quote] We should. Get him.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1329530567' post='996800']
No joke... Happened today. I say Flacco isn't resigned til next year. He can wait just like everyone before him has. There will be a lot of space cleared from Ray and Ed most likely retiring. Next year we also need to worry about resigning the TEs though I think we will be able to tender them so wouldn't be surprised if we went after one in later rounds. I honestly don't know what Wallace has done to be called a punk unless you call burning teams secondary bad behavior. I think he has a good work ethic and is much less of a problem than Desean. I wouldn't trade a first for him cause of our situation but I could see many teams making that move.
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Oh no there goes the neighborhood. I love Hue Jackson, he is an incredible football mind. I want wallace here with Torrey are you kidding me. We would dominate. Still we need O- lineman to bad to make this happen.

[cursona pirate]

Hmmm I hope the bills get him instead lol. The bills could use some speedy dude. But the Bengals might take him.

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[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1329614063' post='997190']

Oh no there goes the neighborhood. I love Hue Jackson, he is an incredible football mind. I want wallace here with Torrey are you kidding me. We would dominate. Still we need O- lineman to bad to make this happen.
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The o line issue is bigger to me and would rather that pick goes to that. Not only is it a bigger need but will be less expensive than it would be to resign Wallace. Also, we need that first rounder cause if we don't draft well these next two years specifically I feel there could be a huge drop off in the teams success.

[SpearSrai]

I'm not sure we know how to use WR's in our offense no matter who it is.

I'd be in favor of Wallace if we also got Bruce Arians. :-/

[Crabcakes&Football]

In an ideal world the Giants pick him up and with the 32nd pick the Steelers draft an absolute bust.

[Hjulmann]

As much as I'd enjoy seeing Wallace in purple and black, I don't think we'll sign him for two reasons; we would have to give up a 1st round pick (yea that one was obvious), and it's somewhat seldom that players play for the rivals of their current team, which in this case, we are.

[cobrajet]

Man, I hope the Steelers lose him, but it may be worse if the Bengals get him. I can see in a couple of years the Bengals/Ravens rivalry becoming real bloody!

How hated would Wallace become in Pittsburgh if he went to play for another AFC North team, especially us!

[arnie_uk]

i dont want to give the steelers a number one pick, i hope they franchise him or even tender him and no one signs him, because next year they will be in trouble again, (all they are doing is pushing back the inevitable) but next year all three of their WRs are FAs. Wallace would be a UFA, Brown and Sanders Would both be RFA, they wont be able to keep them all, wait to next year and you could likely get wallace without giving up a pick.

[Ravens Lover]

Id hate for the Bengles to get a another young weapon on Offense, but at the same time love to see the Steelers go further down

[JO_75]

I think the 49ers are a good candidate to pick up Mike Wallace. They said they want to upgrade at WR through Free Agency and the Draft, why not kill two birds in one stone and essentially use the 30th pick on Mike Wallace and from there sign Alex Smith and the 49ers will be in great position for next season. They are $30-40 million under the cap so they have the cap room to re-sign Alex Smith and go after Mike Wallace and give him a long term contract.

[SpearSrai]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1329945303' post='1000138']
I think the 49ers are a good candidate to pick up Mike Wallace. They said they want to upgrade at WR through Free Agency and the Draft, why not kill two birds in one stone and essentially use the 30th pick on Mike Wallace and from there sign Alex Smith and the 49ers will be in great position for next season. They are $30-40 million under the cap so they have the cap room to re-sign Alex Smith and go after Mike Wallace and give him a long term contract.
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Totally agree! I definitely think they're a major player for him. They have the latest pick of teams that desperately need WR's, and they likely have a 'win now' mentality after how close they got this year. Harbaugh would pull the trigger on this in a second, if they have the cap space.