The Ravens Support Flacco

[akacrow]

[quote name='SickBoy' post='76732' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:52 PM'][size=3]Can bomb the ball??? I'm mean no malice but when did anyone see that strong arm they talk about. This season, everytime a receiver has gone out on a deep route the ball has been underthrown. Upside is a myth, its an excuse for going with a guy not getting the job done. Ryan Leaf had "upside" after his first 5 games too.[/size][/quote]

Flacco under threw Clayton on one play long week 1, this had everything to do with timing and little to do with arm strength. Flaccos arm strength is top tier to say the least. Obviously you have never seen Leaf play a down or you would never make that comparison.

Leafs rookie year his first five games he had a QB rating of 42.4 and a comp % of 48.5, for the year leaf had a comp % of 45 and a QB rating of 39.

If you had watched Leaf play you would also have noticed he was completely worthless as a QB and could not throw on the run at all. It was one of the worst rookie performances in all of the NFL.

To keep things in perspective here are a few rookie stats after five weeks...

Troy Aikman comp % 46.4, QB rating 51.9

Drew Bledsoe comp % 48.9 QB rating 59.0

John Elway comp % 45.8 QB rating 40.2

Peyton Manning comp % 55.0 QB rating 54.1

Joe Flacco comp % 62.5 QB rating 60.6

Funny it seems Flacco is leading the group.

EDIT: One other interesting factoid. Every single one of the QBs I mentioned was named starter BEFORE training camp of their rookie year. Flacco did not get that luxury.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Rinbee' post='76656' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:34 PM']I think part of the reason there is so much criticism of Joe is that his mistakes seem so obvious to us. It's not as though the D is making great plays on the INTs; Joe seems to be throwing right to them or in double/triple coverage. These are probably reasonable mistakes with the NFL much faster than 1A college ball, but it can give the appearance he is not trying very hard.[/quote]
actually who ever is going for troy we waited patiently for a whole year before even saying troy cause we knew we was a rookie and rookie Qb need a year under before going out to play.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Gwaihir' post='76660' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:42 PM']This is what gets me about this whole Flacco vs Troy argument, the coaches tried everything possible to hand Troy the job in PreSeason- [size=2]and he still played worse than Kyle[/size]. Even with the coaches trying to forcefeed the job to him, he still couldn't beat out Kyle 'til he got hurt!

He showed me absolutely nothing in the PreSeason, to think he would be any better than Flac. He was throwing bad Int's and making bad decisions the whole time he was in there. Flac at least has an NFL arm & Height, since we were forced to start him, we might as well find out what he can do and how fast he learns!

Also, don't think for one minute, if Flac starts regressing, looking overwhelmed & confused, that Troy won't be playing in a heartbeat. The whole "Flacco is the starter for the year" line was mostly for Flac's benefit, so he doesn't put added pressure on himself worrying about losing his job.[/quote]
i thought yall said preseason dont count so why you all still talking the preseason

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Ravenoid' post='76700' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:56 PM']Troy Smith will do worse. Much worse than Flacco. For what average throwing skills he has he will be rusty and the offense would have to adjust to a much shorter guy that has to run around to find throwing lanes. He isn't even that fast. He ran a 4.72 in the 40 at his pro day. He makes plays with his legs and has marginal throwing skills. He's a runningback that can throw a little bit.[/quote]
thats not his real speed hes faster not thinking about a 40 yard dash his arm looks better than tha piece of bull tha flacco got take troys worst game in the nfl and you still wont end up with flaccos 3 picks a game

[Byrdz]

[quote name='akacrow' post='76742' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:35 PM']Flacco under threw Clayton on one play long week 1, this had everything to do with timing and little to do with arm strength. Flaccos arm strength is top tier to say the least. Obviously you have never seen Leaf play a down or you would never make that comparison.

Leafs rookie year his first five games he had a QB rating of 42.4 and a comp % of 48.5, for the year leaf had a comp % of 45 and a QB rating of 39.

If you had watched Leaf play you would also have noticed he was completely worthless as a QB and could not throw on the run at all. It was one of the worst rookie performances in all of the NFL.

To keep things in perspective here are a few rookie stats after five weeks...

Troy Aikman comp % 46.4, QB rating 51.9

Drew Bledsoe comp % 48.9 QB rating 59.0

John Elway comp % 45.8 QB rating 40.2

Peyton Manning comp % 55.0 QB rating 54.1

Joe Flacco comp % 62.5 QB rating 60.6

Funny it seems Flacco is leading the group.

EDIT: One other interesting factoid. Every single one of the QBs I mentioned was named starter BEFORE training camp of their rookie year. Flacco did not get that luxury.[/quote]
where these number come from then two drive we went down the field against Indy

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='76745' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:40 PM']thats not his real speed hes faster not thinking about a 40 yard dash his arm looks better than tha piece of bull tha flacco got take troys worst game in the nfl and you still wont end up with flaccos 3 picks a game[/quote]
Get real. They build themselves up to give the best time in the 40 at thier pro day. Some guys hire sprint coaches and everything. Some players are able to knock .2 of a second off their 40. Troy wouldn't throw that many picks because he was running for his life most of the time. If he had time to set up and throw he would be throwing more and getting more int's. A lot of his passes went to Heap anyway. How many times have they let Flacco throw to Heap?

[akacrow]

[quote name='Byrdz' post='76746' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:42 PM']where these number come from then two drive we went down the field against Indy[/quote]


Actually Flaccos lowest stats were Pitt comp % 51.6 and Cleveland rating 47.8. Even using his absolute lowest stats he still rates higher then Aikman, Bledsoe and Elway at comp % and higher then Elway at QB rating. Nice try.......

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Ravenoid' post='76749' date='Oct 16 2008, 11:49 PM']Get real. They build themselves up to give the best time in the 40 at thier pro day. Some guys hire sprint coaches and everything. Some players are able to knock .2 of a second off their 40. Troy wouldn't throw that many picks because he was running for his life most of the time. If he had time to set up and throw he would be throwing more and getting more int's. A lot of his passes went to Heap anyway. How many times have they let Flacco throw to Heap?[/quote]
i am real hester is faster than what his 40 says as well as bush so just chill some players hide injuries so they wont effect they draft value also so that factors in with alot of players sometimes 40s is not accurate to measure some players speed.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='akacrow' post='76752' date='Oct 17 2008, 12:07 AM']Actually Flaccos lowest stats were Pitt comp % 51.6 and Cleveland rating 47.8. Even using his absolute lowest stats he still rates higher then Aikman, Bledsoe and Elway at comp % and higher then Elway at QB rating. Nice try.......[/quote]
yall still with these stats huh

[tweety]

Kyle Boller was competing with Troy Smith for the starting position. BOOM what rookie Flacco is starting now. I guess now we get to see what we used our first round on. Sensitive times, either Flacco will gain his confidence or lose it. What you think he will do after reading this thread...Boom or Bust?

[TXRaven]

I am behind Flacco all the way. I was happy when they drafted him. I did not expect him to start this soon, but with the way things worked out in camp it is what it is. Barring injury I can't see removing him as the starter now. He has had a few rough moments. Despite some of the numbers I see something in him Boller never showed me. I really like Troy and thought he would start at the begining of camp. Its unfortunate that the illness may have cost him that shot but Joe Flacco is our QB. Period.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76693' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:08 PM']I think flacco has potential and Im sorry but I dont think Joes attractive.. Dont think that just because Im a girl thats all Im freaking worried about. I hate guys like you. Im not here because I think players are "cute".. If I wanted a date I'd be on Eharmony.com!~!!! IM HERE TO TALK FOOTBALL. Flaccos my qb because he has more stats than troy. FLACCO is the starter!!! THATS WHY I SUPPORT HIM!!!!!!![/quote]

Sorry, I was just trying to break some of the Flacco/Smith tension. I wish my wife was as enthusiastic about fb as you are.

[bossman419]

[quote name='Rinbee' post='76661' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:46 PM']Do you really think Joe has potential or do you think he is just so darn cute! [/quote]
ive got to admit i have an epic man crush on joe. just kidding... or am i?

[macbrak]

Fear the Brow!!!!

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='bossman419' post='76771' date='Oct 17 2008, 07:53 AM']ive got to admit i have an epic man crush on joe. just kidding... or am i?[/quote]


well since we're on the subject of joes look.. i think he'd look a LOT better if he'd let me wax his eyebrows. NO OFFENSE JOE IF YOU SEE THIS!!!! lol

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Rinbee' post='76768' date='Oct 17 2008, 07:25 AM']Sorry, I was just trying to break some of the Flacco/Smith tension. I wish my wife was as enthusiastic about fb as you are.[/quote]

I support flacco because he's the teams starter. I dont want what happened to boller happen to joe, because I think KYLE had talent but billick wasted it under his system. Flacco is pretty much the same story.. hopefully we do right by him!!!

[Florida Ravens Fan]

Hey, maybe his eyebrows keep the sun out of his eyes?? lol, he really does need to wax or pluck em. I support Flacco 100% but I do think he needs to show some sort of emotion, you know like fire his team mates up, just my opinion. I like the calmness he shows, but atleast get excited or mad or something.

[bossman419]

you know how the yankee's passed out mustaches for jason "juice" giambi ... well the ravens should pass out unibrows! lol

[#1 D]

[quote name='bossman419' post='76794' date='Oct 17 2008, 01:24 PM']you know how the yankee's passed out mustaches for jason "juice" giambi ... well the ravens should pass out unibrows! lol[/quote]
lol...id love to see Joe's reaction.

[neepo13]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76778' date='Oct 17 2008, 10:43 AM']I support flacco because he's the teams starter. I dont want what happened to boller happen to joe, because I think KYLE had talent but billick wasted it under his system. Flacco is pretty much the same story.. hopefully we do right by him!!![/quote]

There is definitly a difference between Boller and Flacco. Flacco never seems to get rattled and he's not afraid to improvise. And unlike Boller he does seem to have pocket presence. You could always tell when Boller had lost his confidence because his head would be down and he just have the "I am totally lost" look. If a play broke down from the get go, Boller looked like a dear in headlights. And Boller didnt have that clock in his head that said its time to let the ball go or its time to move around. He'd get hit from behind and you could tell that he just never knew the defender was coming. I think Flacco will eventually succeed regardless of what happens for those reasons. He has the things he needs to succeed. Boller just didnt.

[#1 D]

[quote name='neepo13' post='76826' date='Oct 17 2008, 02:49 PM']There is definitly a difference between Boller and Flacco. Flacco never seems to get rattled and he's not afraid to improvise. And unlike Boller he does seem to have pocket presence. You could always tell when Boller had lost his confidence because his head would be down and he just have the "I am totally lost" look. If a play broke down from the get go, Boller looked like a dear in headlights. And Boller didnt have that clock in his head that said its time to let the ball go or its time to move around. He'd get hit from behind and you could tell that he just never knew the defender was coming. I think Flacco will eventually succeed regardless of what happens for those reasons. He has the things he needs to succeed. Boller just didnt.[/quote]
I think both Boller and Flacco have the physical tools to succeed....it's the mental part which makes the difference. in other words i agree.

[RavensNYfan]

Flacco is a rookie with alot of promise! i support him 100% although im waiting to buy my flacco jersey maybe next year
Smith is a Tremendous athlete but despite Joe's rough start i think he is still the better choice i wanted to see more of flacco in the pre-season if he had more play time the first two pre season games im confident wed be atleast 4-1 right now

[ROH522155]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76592' date='Oct 16 2008, 07:50 AM']Because, alot of people on this boerd seem to think Troy Smith is "THE ANSWER" to all of our problems, but I highly disagree, i can't STAND people that dont support their team thru good and bad times. Flacco just needs time to improve and become the QB for the baltimore ravens which I think he will continue to be. He's made a few mistakes.. HELLO he's a rookie?!.. and you people that say Im tired of hearing the he's a rookie thing.. well.. thats what HE IS!!!!! face reality. If you bleed purple then bleed it, support your coach and his decisons. I'll be @ the raiders game on the 26th holding my wacco for flacco sign high! Just so he knows that thru good wins and bad wins RAVENS FANS ARE TRUE!!!![/quote]

VERY well said

[ROH522155]

[quote name='RavensNYfan' post='77032' date='Oct 18 2008, 08:58 PM']Flacco is a rookie with alot of promise! i support him 100% although im waiting to buy my flacco jersey maybe next year
Smith is a Tremendous athlete but despite Joe's rough start i think he is still the better choice i wanted to see more of flacco in the pre-season if he had more play time the first two pre season games im confident wed be atleast 4-1 right now[/quote]

i got my flacco jersey back in July

[#1 D]

[quote name='RavensNYfan' post='77032' date='Oct 18 2008, 09:58 PM']Flacco is a rookie with alot of promise! i support him 100% although im waiting to buy my flacco jersey maybe next year
Smith is a Tremendous athlete but despite Joe's rough start i think he is still the better choice i wanted to see more of flacco in the pre-season if he had more play time the first two pre season games im confident wed be atleast 4-1 right now[/quote]
well, he fared minimum success the first preseason game, and the coaches didnt want to overwhelm him too much. So they sat him for awhile. But it would definately have helped him to some degree if he played the first 2 preseason games.

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='CARavensFan' post='76579' date='Oct 16 2008, 01:46 AM'][url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articles/2008/10/Flacco_Gets_Support.aspx"]http://www.baltimoreravens.com/News/Articl...ts_Support.aspx[/url]

I'll let the article speak for itself.

We can have a good natured debate, but I'm tired of seeing downright bashing of players for our team. It's only a knee-jerk reaction to the BIG lose against the Colts (who finally looked like the Colts).[/quote]

yea,they looked like the colts because our team played awful
they will probably lose to green bay today
when you are near the bottom in yards per completion and throw 7 ints,tied for 2nd in the league through 6 weeks then your not considered a good QB...period

[heapitup247]

Troy Smith was promoted to the backup(judging by the fact bouman became the emergency QB)...we might get to see him on a double reverse pass or something

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='mcgaheewillrunyourassover' post='77084' date='Oct 19 2008, 11:18 AM']yea,they looked like the colts because our team played awful
they will probably lose to green bay today
when you are near the bottom in yards per completion and throw 7 ints,tied for 2nd in the league through 6 weeks then your not considered a good QB...period[/quote]

How's his 120.2 QB rating against the Dolphins working for ya'? Yeah, he's at 68.85 (or thereabouts) for the year, but he's doing well enough for me.

[tanker378]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76693' date='Oct 16 2008, 07:08 PM']I think flacco has potential and Im sorry but I dont think Joes attractive.. Dont think that just because Im a girl thats all Im freaking worried about. I hate guys like you. Im not here because I think players are "cute".. If I wanted a date I'd be on Eharmony.com!~!!! IM HERE TO TALK FOOTBALL. Flaccos my qb because he has more stats than troy. FLACCO is the starter!!! THATS WHY I SUPPORT HIM!!!!!!![/quote]


It's so funny you mention your support for football. During the MN game this morning I say an ad where a girl had a tattoo of one of her teams on her lower back, showing her enthusiasm for football. It made me think of how hot that is to a man, I mean if my wife showed even the smallest amount of cheer as you do or the girl in the ad, I'd go nuts...lol.

I just wanna say that being a canadian and being away from football for awhile now that I have not been this excited about any NFL player since the days of Bo Jackson and the Raiders. There is something about Joe Flacco that is instanely unique, which is why I truly believe that given some time, say a year or two, he'll take you guys to a AFC championship. I know that's bold and maybe talking a little crazy, but think about what's happening here guys. There is no doubt Flacco is green and plays like a rookie with rookie mistakes but above it all, he's managing to make some plays and believes in himself. To top things, he's smart and patient. Coming from a no name school and doing what he has to do now, I got to give it to him, that takes a lot of guts. Something about Flacco makes me believe and at such a young/early stage in his career, that is even more surprising. The last QB's that made me feel that way were greats like Favre and Young, now I know Flacco doesn't deserved to be put up with these names but you just never know....especially in the NFL

Baltimore has become my team, in as little as the first 3 games because of Flacco, i really hope you guys do well.

[Moderator 9]

just a side note. after today, flacco's completion percentage is 64.1%. i don't know where he'll stand amoung other QBs.....but a number like that would have been in the top 10 in the NFL looking at last weeks stats. the interceptions are what kills his QB rating