The Ravens Support Flacco

[CARavensFan]

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I'll let the article speak for itself.

We can have a good natured debate, but I'm tired of seeing downright bashing of players for our team. It's only a knee-jerk reaction to the BIG lose against the Colts (who finally looked like the Colts).

[Moderator 2]

I agree, it is a learning curve, we are all just impatient for good QB play.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

I am impatient. We haven't had a quality QB...ever...I do believe. I just want a QB that can avoid the turnovers. Because...let's face it people, turnovers and dumb mistakes are killing us. Flacco needs to learn when not to throw the ball, and when to just throw it out of bounds.

[ravensgirlx88]

Because, alot of people on this boerd seem to think Troy Smith is "THE ANSWER" to all of our problems, but I highly disagree, i can't STAND people that dont support their team thru good and bad times. Flacco just needs time to improve and become the QB for the baltimore ravens which I think he will continue to be. He's made a few mistakes.. HELLO he's a rookie?!.. and you people that say Im tired of hearing the he's a rookie thing.. well.. thats what HE IS!!!!! face reality. If you bleed purple then bleed it, support your coach and his decisons. I'll be @ the raiders game on the 26th holding my wacco for flacco sign high! Just so he knows that thru good wins and bad wins RAVENS FANS ARE TRUE!!!!

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76592' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:50 AM']Because, alot of people on this boerd seem to think Troy Smith is "THE ANSWER" to all of our problems, but I highly disagree, i can't STAND people that dont support their team thru good and bad times. Flacco just needs time to improve and become the QB for the baltimore ravens which I think he will continue to be. He's made a few mistakes.. HELLO he's a rookie?!.. and you people that say Im tired of hearing the he's a rookie thing.. well.. thats what HE IS!!!!! face reality. If you bleed purple then bleed it, support your coach and his decisons. I'll be @ the raiders game on the 26th holding my wacco for flacco sign high! Just so he knows that thru good wins and bad wins RAVENS FANS ARE TRUE!!!![/quote]

I DO support our team through good times and bad times. But I also support the QB who [size=3][u][i][b]I[/b][/i][/u][/size] think, gives our team the best chance. And that just happens to be Troy Smith. So, don't criticize my fanhood just because I think Troy Smith would be the better quarterback.

[Jesse Conroy]

I am behind him %110. Doesnt mean I think he will do as well as the 2007 Tom Brady, but hes a rookie, hes gonna make mistakes.. I understand that.

[MJSMOOTH]

i want see troy first cuz we all know if he would of not have gotten sick he would of started. once i see troy if he's good or not then i will suppoert flacco

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='MJSMOOTH' post='76625' date='Oct 16 2008, 02:41 PM']i want see troy first cuz we all know if he would of not have gotten sick he would of started. once i see troy if he's good or not then i will suppoert flacco[/quote]

NO. If Kyle BOLLER didnt get injured I am pretty sure he's the one that would have started! ..

[rayvenfan_52]

This is something Troy Smith fans should all start realizing. Joe Flacco has started. Get that through your heads. So far... Flacco has more starts then Smith as well as experience. So stop saying Smith deserves this or that. The coaches will put Smith in if something happens to Flacco. Wether it be a bad game or something else.

[JonM229]

I was a Boller supporter during preseason, but I've stood behind Flacco and will continue to do so. I think Flacco has a better chance of overcoming his early hiccups moreso than Boller did. But we still need better pass-blocking from the O-line.

[SickBoy]

[size=2]They are saying that they support him because its the "right" thing to say. We don't HAVE to say the "right" thing. The fact that this article was printed is atleast acknowledging that he's performing poorly, that is a first.[/size]

[jfc13]

Just because some people say they would like to see Troy play, doesn't mean they don't support Flacco when he is out on the field. It's human nature to second-guess other peoples' decisions - especially when those decisions don't result in wins - and it doesn't mean that they are any less of a fan.

I think we all agree that Flacco wouldn't be out there if circumstances were different. He had to play before he was really ready. But now that he's "filled-in" when needed, the coaches [and the team, presumably] see something there that they think they could develop quickly. Only time will tell how quickly - and whether it will be quick enough to give us a winning season.

I feel bad for Troy. It must have been a double-whammy to think you were going to get your big break when Boller was injured, just to get sick and take yourself out of the immediate running. I also feel bad for Boller. I'm not sure he would ever had reached the potential that management thought they saw in him and that must have been frustrating for him. He seemed like a real team-player and I'm sure he wishes he could have contributed more.

Circumstances put Flacco on the field. The coaches are keeping him there for now. Only Flacco can keep himself there with any longevity. And even if some fans don't agree with it, I'm sure most of them still cheer him on when he's playing.

And, for the record, since circumstances put Flacco out there, I'm behind the decision to keep him there. The team needs stability in that all-important position and if they think Flacco will live up the task, then, since he is there, they should keep him there and give him that chance. I'm not saying "forever", if he doesn't live up to expectations, I'm just saying... don't dump him right now.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='76587' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:03 AM']I am impatient. We haven't had a quality QB...ever...I do believe. I just want a QB that can avoid the turnovers. Because...let's face it people, turnovers and dumb mistakes are killing us. Flacco needs to learn when not to throw the ball, and when to just throw it out of bounds.[/quote]

I think part of the reason there is so much criticism of Joe is that his mistakes seem so obvious to us. It's not as though the D is making great plays on the INTs; Joe seems to be throwing right to them or in double/triple coverage. These are probably reasonable mistakes with the NFL much faster than 1A college ball, but it can give the appearance he is not trying very hard.

[PuRock]

[quote name='JonM229' post='76638' date='Oct 16 2008, 03:42 PM']I was a Boller supporter during preseason, but I've stood behind Flacco and will continue to do so. I think Flacco has a better chance of overcoming his early hiccups moreso than Boller did. But we still need better pass-blocking from the O-line.[/quote]

You don't say. [u] S.N.O.T.S[/u]
Whatever happened to the QB acronyms on here?

[Rinbee]

[quote name='jfc13' post='76651' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:12 PM']Just because some people say they would like to see Troy play, doesn't mean they don't support Flacco when he is out on the field. It's human nature to second-guess other peoples' decisions - especially when those decisions don't result in wins - and it doesn't mean that they are any less of a fan.

I think we all agree that Flacco wouldn't be out there if circumstances were different. He had to play before he was really ready. But now that he's "filled-in" when needed, the coaches [and the team, presumably] see something there that they think they could develop quickly. Only time will tell how quickly - and whether it will be quick enough to give us a winning season.

I feel bad for Troy. It must have been a double-whammy to think you were going to get your big break when Boller was injured, just to get sick and take yourself out of the immediate running. I also feel bad for Boller. I'm not sure he would ever had reached the potential that management thought they saw in him and that must have been frustrating for him. He seemed like a real team-player and I'm sure he wishes he could have contributed more.

Circumstances put Flacco on the field. The coaches are keeping him there for now. Only Flacco can keep himself there with any longevity. And even if some fans don't agree with it, I'm sure most of them still cheer him on when he's playing.

And, for the record, since circumstances put Flacco out there, I'm behind the decision to keep him there. The team needs stability in that all-important position and if they think Flacco will live up the task, then, since he is there, they should keep him there and give him that chance. I'm not saying "forever", if he doesn't live up to expectations, I'm just saying... don't dump him right now.[/quote]

I agree mostly, but since the circumstances that put Joe on the field were so weird and Troy never really got a chance, I would look for opportunities to get Troy out there. The 4Q of the Colts game was a perfect opp, if he was strong enough. I agree with supporting the team on the field, but just because Joe is the starter now does not mean he is the best starter. Until we see Troy or anyone else in action we will never know if Joe is our best option today and the debate will continue. In a few years he may be great, but make every attempt to put the best players on the field.

[Gwaihir]

[quote name='jfc13' post='76651' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:12 PM']I feel bad for Troy. It must have been a double-whammy to think you were going to get your big break [size=2]when Boller was injured[/size], just to get sick and take yourself out of the immediate running. I also feel bad for Boller. I'm not sure he would ever had reached the potential that management thought they saw in him and that must have been frustrating for him. He seemed like a real team-player and I'm sure he wishes he could have contributed more.[/quote]

This is what gets me about this whole Flacco vs Troy argument, the coaches tried everything possible to hand Troy the job in PreSeason- [size=2]and he still played worse than Kyle[/size]. Even with the coaches trying to forcefeed the job to him, he still couldn't beat out Kyle 'til he got hurt!

He showed me absolutely nothing in the PreSeason, to think he would be any better than Flac. He was throwing bad Int's and making bad decisions the whole time he was in there. Flac at least has an NFL arm & Height, since we were forced to start him, we might as well find out what he can do and how fast he learns!

Also, don't think for one minute, if Flac starts regressing, looking overwhelmed & confused, that Troy won't be playing in a heartbeat. The whole "Flacco is the starter for the year" line was mostly for Flac's benefit, so he doesn't put added pressure on himself worrying about losing his job.

[Rinbee]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76592' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:50 AM']Because, alot of people on this boerd seem to think Troy Smith is "THE ANSWER" to all of our problems, but I highly disagree, i can't STAND people that dont support their team thru good and bad times. Flacco just needs time to improve and become the QB for the baltimore ravens which I think he will continue to be. He's made a few mistakes.. HELLO he's a rookie?!.. and you people that say Im tired of hearing the he's a rookie thing.. well.. thats what HE IS!!!!! face reality. If you bleed purple then bleed it, support your coach and his decisons. I'll be @ the raiders game on the 26th holding my wacco for flacco sign high! Just so he knows that thru good wins and bad wins RAVENS FANS ARE TRUE!!!![/quote]


Do you really think Joe has potential or do you think he is just so darn cute!

[jfc13]

[quote name='Rinbee' post='76659' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:41 PM']I agree mostly, but since the circumstances that put Joe on the field were so weird and Troy never really got a chance, I would look for opportunities to get Troy out there. The 4Q of the Colts game was a perfect opp, if he was strong enough. I agree with supporting the team on the field, but just because Joe is the starter now does not mean he is the best starter. Until we see Troy or anyone else in action we will never know if Joe is our best option today and the debate will continue. In a few years he may be great, but make every attempt to put the best players on the field.[/quote]

I don't disagree. I tried hard not to say that Flacco was the BEST starter just because he was out there, but that circumstances put him out there and I feel that the team needs to just PICK somebody and give them a chance to settle in. That person happened to be Flacco, due to circumstances.

I'm not sure I would have put Troy in the game during the 4th Qtr. Not because it wouldn't be great to see what he could have done, but to not undermine Flacco's feeling of support from the coaches and team. If you want to build up his confidence, you don't yank him yet.

Again, I'm not saying to play him forever if things don't go well, but I feel that in order to build his confidence and his level of play, he needs to be given a chance without worry of a few growing pains causing any constant switching with other QBs.

[jfc13]

[quote name='Gwaihir' post='76660' date='Oct 16 2008, 04:42 PM']... The whole "Flacco is the starter for the year" line was mostly for Flac's benefit, so he doesn't put added pressure on himself worrying about losing his job.[/quote]
Exactly. They are trying to let him settle in without additional pressure that could affect his game and I agree with this plan. I don't know when we would reach the point to switch QBs, but I don't think we've reached it, yet.

[ravensgirlx88]

[quote name='Rinbee' post='76661' date='Oct 16 2008, 03:46 PM']Do you really think Joe has potential or do you think he is just so darn cute! [/quote]


I think flacco has potential and Im sorry but I dont think Joes attractive.. Dont think that just because Im a girl thats all Im freaking worried about. I hate guys like you. Im not here because I think players are "cute".. If I wanted a date I'd be on Eharmony.com!~!!! IM HERE TO TALK FOOTBALL. Flaccos my qb because he has more stats than troy. FLACCO is the starter!!! THATS WHY I SUPPORT HIM!!!!!!!

[march4superbowl]

Yea Flacco is a rookie and it shows but I feel he's doing a good job handling all the pressure that comes with it. I think Joe has a promising future with Baltimore, probablly the best we have had since 96'. ''Come on Joe shred that Miami defense''.

[ravensalways]

This thread is turning ugly

Just like the caps game.

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='SickBoy' post='76639' date='Oct 16 2008, 03:42 PM'][size=2]They are saying that they support him because its the "right" thing to say. We don't HAVE to say the "right" thing. The fact that this article was printed is atleast acknowledging that he's performing poorly, that is a first.[/size][/quote]
Troy Smith will do worse. Much worse than Flacco. For what average throwing skills he has he will be rusty and the offense would have to adjust to a much shorter guy that has to run around to find throwing lanes. He isn't even that fast. He ran a 4.72 in the 40 at his pro day. He makes plays with his legs and has marginal throwing skills. He's a runningback that can throw a little bit.

[#1 D]

[quote name='Ravenoid' post='76700' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:56 PM']Troy Smith will do worse. Much worse than Flacco. For what average throwing skills he has he will be rusty and the offense would have to adjust to a much shorter guy that has to run around to find throwing lanes. He isn't even that fast. He ran a 4.72 in the 40 at his pro day. He makes plays with his legs and has marginal throwing skills. He's a runningback that can throw a little bit.[/quote]
I think Both these QB's would have some deal of success in the NFL. Troy has an arm, and he can scramble. Flacco has pocket presence, and he can bomb the ball. Troy probably could make an earlier impact on a team, and Flacco has more upside.

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='#1 D' post='76703' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:08 PM']I think Both these QB's would have some deal of success in the NFL. Troy has an arm, and he can scramble. Flacco has pocket presence, and he can bomb the ball. Troy probably could make an earlier impact on a team, and Flacco has more upside.[/quote]
I realy aggree with you 1 D. I'm just giving a few Troy Smith lovers / Joe Flacco haters a taste of their own medicine. ... If you know what I mean ...

[#1 D]

[quote name='Ravenoid' post='76707' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:23 PM']I realy aggree with you 1 D. I'm just giving a few Troy Smith lovers / Joe Flacco haters a taste of their own medicine. ... If you know what I mean ...[/quote]
lol i know its cool...and it is irritating...but oh well, Flaccos starter. and that's that.

[SickBoy]

[quote name='#1 D' post='76703' date='Oct 16 2008, 09:08 PM']I think Both these QB's would have some deal of success in the NFL. Troy has an arm, and he can scramble. Flacco has pocket presence, and he can bomb the ball. Troy probably could make an earlier impact on a team, and Flacco has more upside.[/quote]

[size=3]Can bomb the ball??? I'm mean no malice but when did anyone see that strong arm they talk about. This season, everytime a receiver has gone out on a deep route the ball has been underthrown. Upside is a myth, its an excuse for going with a guy not getting the job done. Ryan Leaf had "upside" after his first 5 games too.[/size]

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='SickBoy' post='76732' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:52 PM'][size=3]Can bomb the ball??? I'm mean no malice but when did anyone see that strong arm they talk about. This season, everytime a receiver has gone out on a deep route the ball has been underthrown. Upside is a myth, its an excuse for going with a guy not getting the job done. Ryan Leaf had "upside" after his first 5 games too.[/size][/quote]
So Smith won a Heisman. So did Eric Crouch and about a dozen other trophy winners that didn't make it.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='76593' date='Oct 16 2008, 08:55 AM']I DO support our team through good times and bad times. But I also support the QB who [size=3][u][i][b]I[/b][/i][/u][/size] think, gives our team the best chance. And that just happens to be Troy Smith. So, don't criticize my fanhood just because I think Troy Smith would be the better quarterback.[/quote]
ya know we like the ravens we dont have to like everyone on the team i donthear yall saying the same about frank walker when people bash him. if ryan leaf started for us would you cheer him on

[Byrdz]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='76633' date='Oct 16 2008, 03:34 PM']NO. If Kyle BOLLER didnt get injured I am pretty sure he's the one that would have started! ..[/quote]
no coach said that troy was a go