MERGED: Mike Wallace...

[Sizzlebshu]

What if we purposely tendered the Mike Wallace an offer the Steelers could match ie something. Imo the result works out well for us either way.

Either

1. Mike Wallace is a Raven for cheap and our receiving core improves (we can cut evans wit this move and not have to worry about what to do with him). As much as I hate giving the Steeler's a first rounder, it is a high one at 29 and the value we'd get for it is probably better than anyone we would take in the first.
2. The Steelers match the offer and cap themselves further messing up their cap situation for this year and years to come.

Now I'm just gonna put it out there that I don't like Mike Wallace or want to see him in Ravens purple, but this may be an effective strategy to weaken the Steelers. Of course they still have brown and sanders, but neither one of them can hurt us like wallace can. And this is certainly better than the Bengals and Steelers working out a deal. Both teams would end up being strengthened by a deal like that.

[BMORElegacy]

Here's to hoping that a team like SEA in the NFC picks him up.

He's been shut down against us recently. Yeah you got to game plan against him, but he's not a Raven killer like Holmes was..

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1329547865' post='996881']
Here's to hoping that a team like SEA in the NFC picks him up.

He's been shut down against us recently. Yeah you got to game plan against him, but he's not a Raven killer like Holmes was..
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well no, but that was due to significant upgrades in our secondary. Anyway I was making the point just to illustrate how Mike Wallace was the only guy on the Steelers that could really do significant damage to us. Brown is good, but him and sanders cant hurt us like Wallace has the ability to.

[ryan23945]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329547658' post='996880']

Now I'm just gonna put it out there that[b] I don't like Mike Wallace or want to see him in Ravens purple[/b], but this may be an effective strategy to weaken the Steelers. Of course they still have brown and sanders, but neither one of them can hurt us like wallace can. And this is certainly better than the Bengals and Steelers working out a deal. Both teams would end up being strengthened by a deal like that.
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i dont like mike wallace either, but i would if he was a raven[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329547658' post='996880']
What if we purposely tendered the Mike Wallace an offer the Steelers could match ie something. Imo the result works out well for us either way.

Either

1. Mike Wallace is a Raven for cheap and our receiving core improves (we can cut evans wit this move and not have to worry about what to do with him). As much as I hate giving the Steeler's a first rounder, it is a high one at 29 and the value we'd get for it is probably better than anyone we would take in the first.
2. The Steelers match the offer and cap themselves further messing up their cap situation for this year and years to come.

Now I'm just gonna put it out there that I don't like Mike Wallace or want to see him in Ravens purple, but this may be an effective strategy to weaken the Steelers. Of course they still have brown and sanders, but neither one of them can hurt us like wallace can. And this is certainly better than the Bengals and Steelers working out a deal. Both teams would end up being strengthened by a deal like that.
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Guys, even though we can offer him and offer him the highest contract, he still has a choice as to where he goes. I would put a lot of money on him not even thinking of coming here because of the rivalry and the hatred he probably has for our team. Only way I see it is if we are the only ones to offer him and it is a bunch more money than the Steelers.

Out of all of the offers he recieves, he, himself, gets to choose what team to sign with (whether that be the highest bidder or where he wants to play). Pittsburgh is the one who has to match the offer to the team he SIGNS an offer sheet with. If we put $9 Mill a year on the table and Cincy puts $8 Mill on, he can choose Cincy's deal and then Pittsburgh would have to match that.

I think some of you guys are under the impression that the highest bidder automatically gets Wallace. He still has a decision on where he wants to go and I highly doubt it is here.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329549164' post='996886']

Guys, even though we can offer him and offer him the highest contract, he still has a choice as to where he goes. I would put a lot of money on him not even thinking of coming here because of the rivalry and the hatred he probably has for our team. Only way I see it is if we are the only ones to offer him and it is a bunch more money than the Steelers.

Out of all of the offers he recieves, he, himself, gets to choose what team to sign with (whether that be the highest bidder or where he wants to play). Pittsburgh is the one who has to match the offer to the team he SIGNS an offer sheet with. If we put $9 Mill a year on the table and Cincy puts $8 Mill on, he can choose Cincy's deal and then Pittsburgh would have to match that.

I think some of you guys are under the impression that the highest bidder automatically gets Wallace. He still has a decision on where he wants to go and I highly doubt it is here.
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Mike Wallace wouldn't really have a choice in the matter. The Steelers cap situation is abysmal and is only gonna get worse in future years thanks to the restructuring. Wallace is an FA next year I believe and will likely end up somewhere else. If someone offers money now I'm fairly certain he'd take it. There is a chance he chooses to stay, but given the situation I don't see it.

Anyway the point of the move is to hurt the Steelers by wrecking their cap rather than gaining wallace.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329548032' post='996883']
well no, but that was due to significant upgrades in our secondary. Anyway I was making the point just to illustrate how Mike Wallace was the only guy on the Steelers that could really do significant damage to us. Brown is good, but him and sanders cant hurt us like Wallace has the ability to.
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I have to respectfully disagree. I think Webb was right when he said Brown is the better receiver. Brown can hurt you in so many ways.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329549570' post='996887']
Mike Wallace wouldn't really have a choice in the matter. The Steelers cap situation is abysmal and is only gonna get worse in future years thanks to the restructuring. Wallace is an FA next year I believe and will likely end up somewhere else. If someone offers money now I'm fairly certain he'd take it.

Anyway the point of the move is to hurt the Steelers by wrecking their cap rather than gaining wallace.
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He does have a choice, though. If more teams then just the Ravens offer him money, he has a choice to go where ever he would want to. Baltimore would be the last choice on his list if there were multiple teams trying to offer him money.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329549762' post='996889']

He does have a choice, though. If more teams then just the Ravens offer him money, he has a choice to go where ever he would want to. Baltimore would be the last choice on his list if there were multiple teams trying to offer him money.
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well in that case, it benefits us so long as a team that is not within our division/has a high draft pick does not offer him a contract. Let's say NE and the Ravens offer him a contract. Even if he chooses NE, the Steelers get weaker by losing wallace. They get basically a second round draft choice in pick 31 or they cap themselves matching NE's offer. This works for me and accomplishes the same goal as us offering something for wallace which is either capping the steelers or weakening them offensively.

Again the point of this move IS NOT to get Wallace. It is to force the Steelers into a corner where no matter the outcome they would be hurt either way.

Again Wallace could choose to stay in pitt and hope that they fix the cap situation next year and resign him, but given the current cap situation and all the money being pushed back into future cap years, I dont see it working out too well.

[codizzle]

This is the third thread about mike Wallace ...
Just saying

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329550002' post='996890']
well in that case, it benefits us so long as a team that is not within our division/has a high draft pick does not offer him a contract. Let's say NE and the Ravens offer him a contract. Even if he chooses NE, the Steelers get weaker by losing wallace. They get basically a second round draft choice in pick 31 or they cap themselves matching NE's offer. This works for me and accomplishes the same goal as us offering something for wallace which is either capping the steelers or weakening them offensively.
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Like I said in the other thread about Mike Wallace, I think it will actually be beneficial if the Steelers lose him this year. He is not a complete WR. All he really does is run go routes. He is not polished at all with his short range routes. It has already been going around that the Steelers are not going to franchise tag him and probably not match a huge offer if he recieves one.

The Steelers already have two young fast WR's. They couldn't keep all three and Brown and Sanders are RFA's next year and both of them have the capabilities of being better all around WR's than Wallace. They aren't going to pay him $10 Mill this year when next year he is going to walk for nothing because they wont have enough money. I think the Steelers are hoping to get a first round pick for him this year.

With two first round picks they can do a bunch of different things with. They can garner a bunch more picks to solidify their team, they could draft two stud oline/dline, they could pick up a WR that is a better all around WR than Wallace is. Why would we want a team in our division to have two first round picks? Especially a team who has shown to be great at drafting WR studs in the late round of a draft? With how good their FO is at finding WR, why would they want to spend over $9 Mill a year on a one trick pony when they know they can find another one? I would gladly take a 1st rounder for him right now.

The best case scenerio for us would be to have no one bite on the tender for Wallace. This way we would have to deal with him for only one more year and then it is almost a guarantee that the Steelers can't take care of all three WR's next year and Wallace walks and the Steelers get nothing. Having an extra 1st round pick is such a huge advantage.

[berad]

The problem I have with this idea is the assumption that Wallace will come "cheap". The only way we'd get a shot at him is if the Steelers franchised him, I believe. The franchise tag is pretty expensive and we would have to offer a contract greater than that. And, say, if he did decide to join the Ravens we'd probably have to offer him a lucrative multi-year deal or else he'd be in the same situation in 2013.

I don't think the Ravens make a play for him at all. It's not in their modus operandi to part ways with their first rounders, especially for a receiver that probably isn't even the best in his division - Antonio Brown and A.J. Green impressed me more.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1329364894' post='995157']
I can't see it happening, but I'd be all for it.

You take away Pittsburgh's best weapon on offense, and you'd only have to give up a 29th pick. Whats not to like?
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i second this!!

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1329364894' post='995157']
I can't see it happening, but I'd be all for it.

You take away [b]Pittsburgh's best weapon on offense[/b], and you'd only have to give up a 29th pick. Whats not to like?
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I personally don't think he is their best offensive weapon.

I really hope he gets out of the North, wherever he ends up.

[ravensdfan]

Nah, Wallace has speed......and that's about it. He didn't do much versus us this season so I guess I don't perceive him as a big threat. He's not a big YAC guy as long as you get a hand on him, he goes down pretty easily and his hands are not the best. Not worth a 1st round pick IMO. Brown is the better overall WR however, he has his issues as well. He seems to go down if he feels a hit coming and I don't like his cocky attitude.

I'd rather us give Doss his chance.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329548032' post='996883']
well no, but that was due to significant upgrades in our secondary. Anyway I was making the point just to illustrate how Mike Wallace was the only guy on the Steelers that could really do significant damage to us. Brown is good, but him and sanders cant hurt us like Wallace has the ability to.
[/quote]

3rd and 20?

[Gordo52]

I would love to have a true double vertical threat in our offense, and I'm sure Joe would to.
Unfortuantly we stil have Cam.
And even though Ozzie & friends wont admit it, they know all about Cam and I dont think would give that much to get a player who has a lot of talent, but wouldnt be used correctly in the time being (As long as Cam is here)

Plus we got Torrey Smith, that Ike at the #2 spot. I want him to get as much playing time as possible.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1329568849' post='996935']

3rd and 20?
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Chris Carr (think thats who it was anyway)

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1329583921' post='997009']
Chris Carr (think thats who it was anyway)
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It was Webb that Brown burnt on the 3rd and 19 in the playoffs.

[Jamal]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1329567110' post='996933']

[b]I personally don't think he is their best offensive weapon.[/b]

I really hope he gets out of the North, wherever he ends up.
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Who is better?

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1329588681' post='997042']
Who is better?
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Guessing everyone thinks Brown is better but I don't believe that's true at all. Wallace is by far the bigger threat.

[Jamal]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1329590272' post='997057']
Guessing everyone thinks Brown is better but I don't believe that's true at all. Wallace is by far the bigger threat.
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Definitely.

The people trying to say Brown is the better player, have only watched football for one year. And even then, Brown wouldn't have had the year he did without Wallace occupying multiple defenders.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1329590622' post='997061']
Definitely.

The people trying to say Brown is the better player, have only watched football for one year. And even then, Brown wouldn't have had the year he did without Wallace occupying multiple defenders.
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this

[Smoke]

Just read an interesting article.
Ravens should get Wallace for their #1 Pick (#29)-he is restricted free agent
This would make our WR situation look great and would really mess up the Steelers.
If Ravens land him they would take care of WR, if not they would drive price up so Steelers would have to cut veterans to make room for Wallace.
It would be a win win situation for Ravens
What does everyone think?

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329588116' post='997038']

It was Webb that Brown burnt on the 3rd and 19 in the playoffs.
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Landry was actually the one that blew the over the top coverage on that play. But that's old news. Last time I checked its 2012.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Smoke' timestamp='1329688301' post='997488']
Just read an interesting article.
Ravens should get Wallace for their #1 Pick (#29)-he is restricted free agent
This would make our WR situation look great and would really mess up the Steelers.
If Ravens land him they would take care of WR, if not they would drive price up so Steelers would have to cut veterans to make room for Wallace.
It would be a win win situation for Ravens
What does everyone think?
[/quote]
I'm up for anything that hamstrings the Steelers. Two burners 25 or younger on the outside with Q in the slot gives me happy dreams.

[SideStep77]

I personally think that if we grabbed Wallace, he would hurt Torrey's development. I'd like to see him go somewhere else not in the AFC north, or the AFC for that matter. I could see him on the 49ers because they do need a legitimate #1 receiver. But if we did get Wallace I could see him hungry for some revenge on the team that let him go.

[JO_75]

Ok... no more talk about us getting Wallace, from the Wizard himself, Ozzie Newsome has ended any speculation of the Ravens getting Wallace.

[quote][color=#000000][font=Georgia,]“The problem with going after restricted free agents, at that point, the player and the agent have the leverage because you have to do a deal that you don’t think the other team is going to match,” Newsome said. “Will some teams do it? I mean there are some teams that have two [first round picks] this year,” Newsome said. “Could they do it? Possibly. But they’ll be thinking about all of those other ramifications.”[/font][/color]


[color=#000000][font=Georgia,]“Did you watch us play this year? Do you think we need a deep threat?”[/font][/color][/quote]

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/24/ravens-shut-down-mike-wallace-speculation/"]http://profootballta...ce-speculation/[/url]

So move along people, Ozzie said it himself we ARE NOT going after Mike Wallace.

[Romo Ravens]

Of course we're not.. We always build through the draft, because that's what helped us win multiple champions since our first one. Oh wait..

[reediddy]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1329723366' post='997763']
I'm up for anything that hamstrings the Steelers. Two burners 25 or younger on the outside with Q in the slot gives me happy dreams.
[/quote]

Seriously! What's not to like about this? There's a good chance that a guy like Konz/Hightower isn't available with our 29th, giving us the ability to either A) trade down, reach for an OL (Mike Adams) or C) give the pick to PIT for Wallace. To me the safest option seems to be C