Rice About To Get Paid?!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329055915' post='992484']


I do not see us giving him 10 mill a year. I do not even think Flacco will get that. Maybe 6-6.5 for Rice for 5 or 6 years with a hefty guarantee.
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MJD signed 5 yrs $31 mil 17.5 guranteed 9 signing bonus... 3 years ago
Peterson signed 7 yrs $96 mil 36gur
CJ 6 Yrs $55mil 30gur 20 sign bonus

id look towards MJD deal and add some for infaltion, maybe 5 years $40 - 45 about 20 sign bonus

[Tiz]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328995736' post='992101']


My logic is not flawed. KC had an over the hill Thomas Jones as the backup. He was not adequate or good. How many times in this league have we seen the top RB go down just to see their backups come in and blow it up? The RB position is the easiest position on the field. You get the ball and hit the hole. Many guys can be good RB's. I am sorry but at the end of the day it is an opinion and just that. I believe that it is not wise to spend so much on a RB. I may not be right.
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Baltimore struggled after jam was hurt and rice came to be. so no, rice and continuity are needed

[The Raven]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1329055357' post='992480']
If Rice was 27, I'd say we shouldn't sign him to a long-term dea that would take him past the infamous 30-cutoff.

But since he just turned 25, we can ink him through age 29-30 and not have to worry about the position for a half-decade (barring injury.)

I do think there should be a decelerator (I may have just invented this) in his contract that stipulates he lose $100,000 for every time he drops a catchable pass in a critical situation, though.
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I sorta agree. I think even if he was 27, resign him to a 4-5 year deal with a front loaded contract. When he hits 30, we can reduce his carries. LT is still somewhat productive, and with the way Rice takes care of his body, I don't doubt he could have a long career as a RB.

I'm thinking a 4-5 year contract 40-50 million. Somewhere in that range.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1329057840' post='992502']


I sorta agree. I think even if he was 27, resign him to a 4-5 year deal with a front loaded contract. When he hits 30, we can reduce his carries. LT is still somewhat productive, and with the way Rice takes care of his body, I don't doubt he could have a long career as a RB.

I'm thinking a 4-5 year contract 40-50 million. Somewhere in that range.
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I agree with the time. It will probably be 4 years, imo. You see him getting 10m a year, though? Is that including incentives or no? I can't imagine him getting 10m a year unless there are some incentives. I see his contract being 6-8. I think his contract will be 7.5m, with a lot guaranteed for the first 3 years. I see incentives, too.

I would be amazed if we signed him for 10m without including incentives. He would probably get around 12m if that happened.

[The Raven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1329059555' post='992511']
I agree with the time. It will probably be 4 years, imo. You see him getting 10m a year, though? Is that including incentives or no? I can't imagine him getting 10m a year unless there are some incentives. I see his contract being 6-8. I think his contract will be 7.5m, with a lot guaranteed for the first 3 years. I see incentives, too.

I would be amazed if we signed him for 10m without including incentives. He would probably get around 12m if that happened.
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I can see him making that much money. He has earned it, and he is our offense. He's one of those guys that can take over a game if you get him involved enough. I really wish we'd use him right. One of my gripes with Cams. We need to get him the ball on tosses, screens, etc. He NEEDS the ball. He is our best player, on the whole team. Not just offense. When Ray retires, Rice will be the face of this franchise.

I think the perfect deal would be 5 years 45 million.

[jaege]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329056778' post='992490']
MJD signed 5 yrs $31 mil 17.5 guranteed 9 signing bonus... 3 years ago
Peterson signed 7 yrs $96 mil 36gur
CJ 6 Yrs $55mil 30gur 20 sign bonus

id look towards MJD deal and add some for infaltion, maybe 5 years $40 - 45 about 20 sign bonus
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Well CJ was WAY overpaid. CJ was just full of himself. No RB is worth as much as the higher paid QBs. There is no way we go that high, the fact is we cannot afford to. I just do not see 9 million a year. Maybe 40 - 45 mil over 6 years with a hefty signing bonus and a hefty guarantee. Whether he has "earned" more or not we have to have the room under the cap in order to give it to him. Giving Rice 9 or 10 million a year then signing Flacco would mean we lose Grubbs, Webb, JJ, and a host of others since we will not be able to afford them. A QB and an RB do not make a football team.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329060991' post='992521']


Well CJ was WAY overpaid. CJ was just full of himself. No RB is worth as much as the higher paid QBs. There is no way we go that high, the fact is we cannot afford to. I just do not see 9 million a year. Maybe 40 - 45 mil over 6 years with a hefty signing bonus and a hefty guarantee. Whether he has "earned" more or not we have to have the room under the cap in order to give it to him. Giving Rice 9 or 10 million a year then signing Flacco would mean we lose Grubbs, Webb, JJ, and a host of others since we will not be able to afford them. A QB and an RB do not make a football team.
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i think your a bit off here, Peterson is way over paid, he averages almost 14 per year, CJ averages just over 9. He wasnt overpaid for what we done at that time. Your really only saying that because he had such a down year. AP is overpaid, he makes as much as the best QBs in the league. id be happy if we got rice for the average CJ got. That was a good deal for both sides at the time, AP raped Vikings

[jaege]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329061828' post='992527']
i think your a bit off here, Peterson is way over paid, he averages almost 14 per year, CJ averages just over 9. He wasnt overpaid for what we done at that time. Your really only saying that because he had such a down year. AP is overpaid, he makes as much as the best QBs in the league. id be happy if we got rice for the average CJ got. That was a good deal for both sides at the time, AP raped Vikings
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Wasn't CJs salary 9 per year plus bonuses and incentives? That is high for a RB, in my opinion. I do not mean to undervalue Rice, he is the man as far as I am concerned, and you gotta love him. Still I think 6 to 7, maybe 7.5 with generous incentives and bonuses would be fair. I am not going to argue the position, since (like you) I do not make anything like that, so those numbers as a salary are outside my scope of reality. I am only guessing really. Although I would be surprised by something close to 10. Still, in Oz I trust. He will make a fair offer based upon our cap and I think that Rice is also fair. He seems very realistic and does not have the swollen ego that other RBs have had over the past couple of years.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329065050' post='992543']


Wasn't CJs salary 9 per year plus bonuses and incentives? That is high for a RB, in my opinion. I do not mean to undervalue Rice, he is the man as far as I am concerned, and you gotta love him. Still I think 6 to 7, maybe 7.5 with generous incentives and bonuses would be fair. I am not going to argue the position, since (like you) I do not make anything like that, so those numbers as a salary are outside my scope of reality. I am only guessing really. Although I would be surprised by something close to 10. Still, in Oz I trust. He will make a fair offer based upon our cap and I think that Rice is also fair. He seems very realistic and does not have the swollen ego that other RBs have had over the past couple of years.
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and if he makes the bonuses and incentive believe me he would be worth every bit of the 9mil, id say they would be for rushing 1500yds 2000yds 2000 yds from scrimmage etc, bonuses and incentives you would be happy to pay. 9 million for being the leading (maybe 2nd) rusher since he enetered the nfl was a good deal for both sides at the time, he wasnt overpaid, AP was which you still havent agreed with even though you say CJ was

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329065050' post='992543']


Wasn't CJs salary 9 per year plus bonuses and incentives? That is high for a RB, in my opinion. I do not mean to undervalue Rice, he is the man as far as I am concerned, and you gotta love him. Still I think 6 to 7, maybe 7.5 with generous incentives and bonuses would be fair. I am not going to argue the position, since (like you) I do not make anything like that, so those numbers as a salary are outside my scope of reality. I am only guessing really. Although I would be surprised by something close to 10. Still, in Oz I trust. He will make a fair offer based upon our cap and I think that Rice is also fair. He seems very realistic and does not have the swollen ego that other RBs have had over the past couple of years.
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so cj is overpaid, and AP, who avergaes 5 mil per year more isnt?

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329065607' post='992550']
so cj is overpaid, and AP, who avergaes 5 mil per year more isnt?
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AP was paid that much because they don't have a quarterback, so AP is both the quarterback and running back. It's pretty cheap when you look at it like that!

In all seriousness, AP is one of the most overpaid players in the NFL. His salary is ridiculous. CJ2K (AKA, CJ1K) is overpaid only by his production last year. His character isn't exactly the best, either. I'm not surprised that CJ thinks he's worth the farm.

Regardless, what makes this most interesting is Rice's character & production. Rice deserves to get paid top RB money. The question I am most interested to know is whether he gets it or takes a little less so we can keep guys like Grubbs whom he needs to run effectively. He seems like a team-first guy, but this is money and money is different.

I am really excited to see how this develops. Rice's contract will have long-term effects on the rest of the contracts. It will affect Flacco, Webb, & Grubbs.

[jaege]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329065532' post='992548']
and if he makes the bonuses and incentive believe me he would be worth every bit of the 9mil, id say they would be for rushing 1500yds 2000yds 2000 yds from scrimmage etc, bonuses and incentives you would be happy to pay. 9 million for being the leading (maybe 2nd) rusher since he enetered the nfl was a good deal for both sides at the time, he wasnt overpaid, AP was which you still havent agreed with even though you say CJ was
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If I feel that CJ was overpaid at 9 then it stands to reason I would think AP was overpaid at 14. I didn't think there was a reason to even state that, but as you insist, yes he was [u]way[/u] overpaid. I still think that 9 million base is high, but maybe that is the way it is going for RBs nowadays. The thing is, if RBs are commanding 9ish, then what are QBs going to be looking for? 12 to 15? That means WRs and CBs are going to jump up as well. It is a vicious cycle.

Teams are going to be reaching that cap pretty quick with salaries like that.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329066241' post='992563']


If I feel that CJ was overpaid at 9 then it stands to reason I would think AP was overpaid at 14. I didn't think there was a reason to even state that, but as you insist, yes he was [u]way[/u] overpaid. I still think that 9 million base is high, but maybe that is the way it is going for RBs nowadays. The thing is, if RBs are commanding 9ish, then what are QBs going to be looking for? 12 to 15? That means WRs and CBs are going to jump up as well. It is a vicious cycle.

Teams are going to be reaching that cap pretty quick with salaries like that.
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RBS that are the teams offense want that amount, MJD RR CJ (at the time) AP matt forte, the elite at their poition alwasy get around that value, look at WR Fitz etc get big money, then theirs abit of a drop of to the 2nd teir guys, same as QBs... and RR just so happens to be elite at his position, and the market is set at around 9/10 mil, so he ha every right to want that or go elsewhere, no that i think he would..

Its just where the market is set

[jaege]

Well, I want Rice to be offered (by the Ravens) what he is worth. I do not want us to lose him. He is far too valuable, but so is Web and Grubbs. I really do not want to lose them. I just feel that guys like AP and CJ have pushed that going rate unnaturally high, due to inflated senses of value and huge egos. Still, if for whatever reason that is the going rate, then Rice should get it.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1329067578' post='992570']
Well, I want Rice to be offered (by the Ravens) what he is worth. I do not want us to lose him. He is far too valuable, but so is Web and Grubbs. I really do not want to lose them. I just feel that guys like AP and CJ have pushed that going rate unnaturally high, due to inflated senses of value and huge egos. Still, if for whatever reason that is the going rate, then Rice should get it.
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id rather we sign grubbs, before RR tbh

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329067896' post='992571']
id rather we sign grubbs, before RR tbh
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I agree.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1329055357' post='992480']
If Rice was 27, I'd say we shouldn't sign him to a long-term dea that would take him past the infamous 30-cutoff.

But since he just turned 25, we can ink him through age 29-30 and not have to worry about the position for a half-decade (barring injury.)

I do think there should be a decelerator (I may have just invented this) in his contract that stipulates he lose $100,000 for every time he drops a catchable pass in a critical situation, though.
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I disagree,sign him to a 7 year deal.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1329084514' post='992721']

I disagree,sign him to a 7 year deal.
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You only sign him to a 7 year deal if the last 2 or 3 years the pay scale is extremely manageable. He will still be in the league at 30 because he can be a 3rd down back then and a quality back up, but you don't pay a 3rd down 30 year back more than a couple mil a season.
Sign him for 4 years, to the age of 29.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1329086198' post='992735']

You only sign him to a 7 year deal if the last 2 or 3 years the pay scale is extremely manageable. He will still be in the league at 30 because he can be a 3rd down back then and a quality back up, but you don't pay a 3rd down 30 year back more than a couple mil a season.
Sign him for 4 years, to the age of 29.
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I think he's most likely getting a five year deal and if we could keep it under 50 Mil that would be a great work by Ozzie. If he signed something like 5 years 45 with about 20 Mil guaranteed I would consider that a great deal and have a ton of respect for Rice.

[CapoRocky]

The biggest problem with this equation is the unknown factor of diminishing returns. Rice will be great for the first 4-5 years and fall off drastically after that due to wear and tear on his body. It's a known fact that NFL stands for not for long for running backs.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1329086198' post='992735']
You only sign him to a 7 year deal if the last 2 or 3 years the pay scale is extremely manageable. He will still be in the league at 30 because he can be a 3rd down back then and a quality back up, but you don't pay a 3rd down 30 year back more than a couple mil a season.
Sign him for 4 years, to the age of 29.
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I disagree like i said,id sign him to a 7 year deal.

[TreTheRaven]

If this is indeed the case -- I certainly hope he doesn't fall off like a Mr.Johnson who did when receiving a new contract.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1329088444' post='992760']


I disagree like i said,id sign him to a 7 year deal.
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And what is your reasoning to pay a 32 year old HB premier money from a contract he signed when he was 25?

[Tiz]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1329091993' post='992791']

And what is your reasoning to pay a 32 year old HB premier money from a contract he signed when he was 25?
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Yeah because,a contract wouldn't be reworked or player cut before the 7th yr...

[SpearSrai]

[quote name='Tiz' timestamp='1329104525' post='992902']
Yeah because,a contract wouldn't be reworked or player cut before the 7th yr...
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So then what was the point? You can rework a deal after the 4th year, once the player is declining (which they always are.)

[GrimCoconut]

I just can't see Rice getting 7 years. Seems like a long time to commit to a running back. Look at Jamal Lewis, and he was the cousin of Ray. I just don't think Rice is getting a contract longer than 5 years, and I see it honestly being 4 years. If we extend it to 5 years I will be surprised. I still expect his contract to look something like this: 4 years, 32million, 20 guaranteed. I expect the guaranteed money to be for the 1st 3 years, so that way if his production really declines by the 4th year we can move on.

If it's 5 years, then I expect 38million, 25million guaranteed.

[Alexir]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329067896' post='992571']
id rather we sign grubbs, before RR tbh
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Agreed.

[Radinho84]

rice is our offense. we perform well as long as he is playing well. grubbs misses at least 4-6 games a season due to injury. he is good. but he is not that good that you put him over rice on your list.

rice is the face of the ravens besides rayray. he should get paid. i don´t want him to sign a small deal. he is the best at what he is doing. we have maybe two or three other guys on the team that you can say are the best at what they are doing. grubbs for sure isn´t the best at his position. he is very good. that´s it.

i know how important those guards are. especially for our running game. but take away the 2k yards of rice from our offense and there isn´t that much left...

eve4n better: he is great against the steelers and the pats!!!!

[Radinho84]

rice is our offense. we perform well as long as he is playing well. grubbs misses at least 4-6 games a season due to injury. he is good. but he is not that good that you put him over rice on your list.

rice is the face of the ravens besides rayray. he should get paid. i don´t want him to sign a small deal. he is the best at what he is doing. we have maybe two or three other guys on the team that you can say are the best at what they are doing. grubbs for sure isn´t the best at his position. he is very good. that´s it.

i know how important those guards are. especially for our running game. but take away the 2k yards of rice from our offense and there isn´t that much left...

eve4n better: he is great against the steelers and the pats!!!!

[Tiz]

[quote name='SpearSrai' timestamp='1329104581' post='992903']


So then what was the point? You can rework a deal after the 4th year, once the player is declining (which they always are.)
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To ensure that if he is still playing at a high level you don't have to be rushed to sign him.

It wouldn't be the first 7 yr contract in the nfl. It wouldn't be the first one where s in yrs 6 and 7 were not guaranteed yet you are surprised to hear it as an option...why?