Rice About To Get Paid?!

[BmorBirds]

I think people tend to overlook RR's ball security. He has had a couple of untimely fumbles in the playoffs, but there isn't any point where I worry about Ray coughing up the ball. That's huge in the AFC North. Pay the man, he's worth every penny.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328975962' post='991915']
The sooner Rice gets paid the better. We can then move on to people like Grubbs, Flacco, & Webb.
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When the ink hits the page, then the Brinks will hit the bank.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328993278' post='992070']
Sorry guys, I will be the first to say that it will not be a smart business decision to extend him and give a huge contract. Tag him and then go from there. RB's are way to expendable and can be had for far less. Probably the easiest position to replace in football. RR is a great talent but he is going to be looking for top RB money which is a huge amount to be paying for the next couple years. We really will have to let a couple of our good players go in the future if we give him a boat load.
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could you be up for a lot of negative's for 1 post,stay tuned.

[ravens rule]

Some people hear are basically saying Rice is overrated and we can do better with an average running back. You guys are not very smart.

[sameoldbull]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1329007237' post='992213']
That's my response to that. Players are marketable because they're successful on the field first and foremost. The fact that they're (most of the time) good people off the field is just gravy.

Mike Vick has sold a ton of jerseys despite being voted as one of the most disliked athletes in the sports world. He still got a $100M deal from the Eagles, after all his PR issues.

A player's prowess on the field and chemistry with his team is the most important thing, marketability is not high on the totem.
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1329006862' post='992207']

Last time i checked, the Nfl, or the Baltimore Ravens, or Ray Rice, or whoever, isn't at our doorstep telling us we MUST buy their stuff. We CHOOSE to buy them.I do agree its a business, but most of that business is our choosing. And yes, i do think a lot of it is based off of performance on the field. I'm not going to buy a David Reed jersey over a Ray Rice one anyday. People wanna buy a Pollard jersey because of his play on the field.
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Damnit it should have been: [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]How many wouldn't want to buy a new shirt with Willis on its back [b]right away[/b], even thou you already have several raven shirts[/size][/font][/color]

And I'm not saying that you are forced to buy jerseys. It has always been your choice. But marketing is still something you have to consider. High profile players creates a certain buzz around a franchise. Regular fans are drawn to flashy plays and flashy players. Just look at how the league is turning into a pro offense league.

People don't wanna buy a jersey with Morgan Cox even thou he is tough as nail. People wanna buy the jersey with the sexy Ray Lewis on the back.
Imagine if somehow Ozzie managed to acquire Patrick Willis and Chris Meyers this off season - droooool. I think regular people would prefer buying the sexy Patrick Willis jersey, even thou both free agent acquisitions could be vital for the season (assuming neither Birk and Gurode are resigned).

And Vick is just a great example of a very marketable player influencing his contract value. I'm not saying that he is a bad person - but that was some pretty bad publicity and it did cost him a lot. When the eagles signed him it was to a very incentive laden contract with no guarantees. When he played good - not great - he created a great buzz around him. All the media was like "wow - it is like we are witnessing this self inflicted cinderella story" and the sale of Michael Vick jerseys skyrocketed and so did his value to the eagles. It would have been stupid to release or trade Vick marketingvise, even thou Kolb could have been a franchise quarterback (I'm not saying that he is). The fans were craving for him - so they traded the not so popular Kevin Kolb and signed Vick to a BIG contract he couldn't turn down.

And Vick really is a high profile player. I'm from Europe. And in Europe football is played with a round ball and without pads. If I'm discussing American football with regular people the most known players are:

Tom Brady (Oh - the one with the really hot wife)
Michael Oher (Oh - the big guy from the movie with Sandra Bullock! She is SO hot!)
Michael Vick (Hey, isn't there another is great at running and throwing the football)*

Marketable players will always garner more attention and increase their stock - despite their on field performance. Hell, Tim Tebow's jersey is one of the best selling of 2011.

Oh - and it is jersey, not shirt. Learning something new everyday [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

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[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329004161' post='992181']


That is $8 mill of a salary. Workout bonuses, playing escalators and other things can factor into a cap hit and salary number. The $8 mill is the lowest possible number that he can get paid and that is still to much for an RB. If we sign RR he will basically have around the same figures. So it will be around $10 mill, the number stated, by the time the bonuses and other factors come into play.

Edit: On top of the all of these items stated above, the signing bonus also needs to be pro rated over the course of the deal. Johnson got a 4 year extension and had a year left so he had a $10 Mill signing bonus pro rated over 5 years. So hi cap number for 2012 is already at $10 Mill and will only go up from there. He will be almost at $12 Mill by the time the season end.

Some of you guys need to study up on cap numbers and the different things that affect them. Like I said, RR even over a $7 Mill cap hit each year will affect the long term team.


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Ur right and I didn't read into it as much as I should have to determine his total cap hit that was my mistake.. I normally am just browsing on my phone and just post my opinions and don't get too involved in debates because I normally don't have time to study everything out

[arnie_uk]

this topic got out of hand quick lol

[CapoRocky]

Rice won't get any royalties from uniform sales. I'm not sure what happened to this topic. The bottom line is that he will get a hefty salary to keep him here for many years.

[atlravensfan]

I understand both sides of the arguement. From a business standpoint investing alot of money in any running back is a risky venture esp when they are the easiest position to replace. RR is a special player and the deals CJ2K and AP got are going to drive up RR salary when we still need to sign our top QB offensive linemen and cb. Its a passing league people and the RB(pains me to say this had every Jamal Lewis jersey since he came in the league) isn't a runners league. I would take care of webbie first even before I take care of Grubbs or RR. From a strict business standpoint it makes the most since to Tag RR and let Joe play out his contract. and give Webbie a high tender. I think RR and Grubbs are kinda a packahe deal. Great running back and great run blocking guard.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1329002744' post='992168']
That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.. He has averaged 4.6 ypc for his career..
[b]I mean he averaged 4.7 this year behind our god awful at times oline[/b]
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He was at 4.2 while Grubbs was out. My point was we've seen that without an elite supporting cast Rice is worthless in the run game. You can't rely on a running back who needs Pro Bowlers at all positions to get yardage.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1329011495' post='992265']

When the ink hits the page, then the Brinks will hit the bank.
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I agree. We are fans so we want to keep everybody or just throw them away and move on. I still say Tagging rice just makes since if you cant work out a deal. I think Webb should be taken care of first and invest into another pass rusher. Hate to say it but rb is the easiest position to replace and they have a low shelf life. Whats the use of a great running back if teams are throwing for 400 yards against you.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1329016682' post='992344']

He was at 4.2 while Grubbs was out. My point was we've seen that without an elite supporting cast Rice is worthless in the run game. You can't rely on a running back who needs Pro Bowlers at all positions to get yardage.
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LOL i just posted the samething. RR and Grubbs are almost a packaged deal. Great Running teams normally have great interior linemen.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1329016283' post='992339']
Rice won't get any royalties from uniform sales. I'm not sure what happened to this topic. The bottom line is that he will get a hefty salary to keep him here for many years.
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As a fan I think we should pay him. he is the truth.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328993278' post='992070']
Sorry guys, I will be the first to say that it will not be a smart business decision to extend him and give a huge contract. Tag him and then go from there. RB's are way to expendable and can be had for far less. Probably the easiest position to replace in football. RR is a great talent but he is going to be looking for top RB money which is a huge amount to be paying for the next couple years. We really will have to let a couple of our good players go in the future if we give him a boat load.
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LOL dude next time Bold and 25 font from a business side. You had to have known people would reply to your post without reading them

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329017853' post='992371']

LOL dude next time Bold and 25 font from a business side. You had to have known people would reply to your post without reading them
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I think we all know what a large extension implies financially. I fully understand the argument for why investing a large chunk of cap in a RB entails, but Ray Rice is well worth it. I think most would agree that he needs to stay in a Ravens uniform and without him our offense would be severely handicapped. I'm all for building from the trenches, but its easier to find solid run-blocking LGs than dynamic RBs like Rice.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329016534' post='992343']
I understand both sides of the arguement. From a business standpoint investing alot of money in any running back is a risky venture esp when they are the easiest position to replace. RR is a special player and the deals CJ2K and AP got are going to drive up RR salary when we still need to sign our top QB offensive linemen and cb. Its a passing league people and the RB(pains me to say this had every Jamal Lewis jersey since he came in the league) isn't a runners league. I would take care of webbie first even before I take care of Grubbs or RR. From a strict business standpoint it makes the most since to Tag RR and let Joe play out his contract. and give Webbie a high tender. I think RR and Grubbs are kinda a packahe deal. Great running back and great run blocking guard.
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I Disagree,we will sign Ray Rice to a long term deal,Ray Rice is a special player,doesnt matter if some people think its a passing league,I dont think it is,that doesn't mean ever team has to be.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1329019631' post='992390']
I think we all know what a large extension implies financially. I fully understand the argument for why investing a large chunk of cap in a RB entails, but Ray Rice is well worth it. I think most would agree that he needs to stay in a Ravens uniform and without him our offense would be severely handicapped. I'm all for building from the trenches, but its easier to find solid run-blocking LGs than dynamic RBs like Rice.
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The chances of drafting both of them is a lot better then drafting anothe Joe Flacco or Webbie. I just think in a passing league teams are paying for it now having sooooo much money tied into a running back, Most of the Elite or top ten Qbs have good not great running backs alot of that has to do with it being hard to pay everybody and your QB should be the first guy to get a contract. Grubbs is an all pro and one of the best at his position and so is RR. I think they are a package deal because one needs the other

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1329019890' post='992392']

I Disagree,we will sign Ray Rice to a long term deal,Ray Rice is a special player,doesnt matter if some people think its a passing league,I dont think it is,that doesn't mean ever team has to be.
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Wow from a business stand point man I am going to have to literally 25 font all caps bold that in all of my contract talk posts

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020006' post='992393']
The chances of drafting both of them is a lot better then drafting anothe Joe Flacco or Webbie. I just think in a passing league teams are paying for it now having sooooo much money tied into a running back, Most of the Elite or top ten Qbs have good not great running backs alot of that has to do with it being hard to pay everybody and your QB should be the first guy to get a contract. Grubbs is an all pro and one of the best at his position and so is RR. I think they are a package deal because one needs the other
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We shall see what happen's,Ozzie said that he would love to keep mr Grubbs,but Joe Flacco,Ray Rice,Mr Webb are first not in any order.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020088' post='992394']
Wow from a business stand point man I am going to have to literally 25 font all caps bold that in all of my contract talk posts
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I think from a team stand point not just a business stand point.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='ThePurpleWall' timestamp='1329020304' post='992397']

I think from a team stand point not just a business stand point.
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Yes but the point of the thread was financial not team. It was about Ray Rice getting paid. I agree i love RR and he is an awesome player but from a business standpoint and team standpoint investing 10 mil a year plus signing bonus into the easiest position to replace in sports next to maybe the DH in baseball can be risky. The shelf life of Rbs is very low

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020537' post='992399']
Yes but the point of the thread was financial not team. It was about Ray Rice getting paid. I agree i love RR and he is an awesome player but from a business standpoint and team standpoint investing 10 mil a year plus signing bonus into the easiest position to replace in sports next to maybe the DH in baseball can be risky. The shelf life of Rbs is very low
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I agree that the shelf life of Runing backs are low,but Ray Rice is a Special player,can anyone say we will see a Ray Rice type player inside of mabey 10 years again ? mabey not,mabey not ever again.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020006' post='992393']
The chances of drafting both of them is a lot better then drafting anothe Joe Flacco or Webbie. I just think in a passing league teams are paying for it now having sooooo much money tied into a running back, Most of the Elite or top ten Qbs have good not great running backs alot of that has to do with it being hard to pay everybody and your QB should be the first guy to get a contract. Grubbs is an all pro and one of the best at his position and so is RR. I think they are a package deal because one needs the other
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We already have a lot of money invested in a Guard maybe we can keep Grubbs too, but I disagree that he is as essential a player as Rice is to our offense. We can probably keep both, but that would restrict the players on defense that we would be able to re-sign.

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020537' post='992399']
[b]Yes but the point of the thread was financial not team[/b]. It was about Ray Rice getting paid. I agree i love RR and he is an awesome player but from a business standpoint and team standpoint investing 10 mil a year plus signing bonus into the easiest position to replace in sports next to maybe the DH in baseball can be risky. The shelf life of Rbs is very low
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First off, not really. The point of the thread was to discuss Ricky's tweet suggesting Rice will be re-signed soon, not details of how his contract will affect our cap situation. I also dont see how you can separate the two issues, getting back to financial vs team aspect. Every player is going to cost something, its the job of the team to weigh the value of the player vs the fincancial impact. They are intrinsically linked.

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1329021332' post='992402']
We already have a lot of money invested in a Guard maybe we can keep Grubbs too, but I disagree that he is as essential a player as Rice is to our offense. We can probably keep both, but that would restrict the players on defense that we would be able to re-sign.


First off, not really. The point of the thread was to discuss Ricky's tweet suggesting Rice will be re-signed soon, not details of how his contract will affect our cap situation. I also dont see how you can separate the two issues, getting back to financial vs team aspect. Every player is going to cost something, its the job of the team to weigh the value of the player vs the fincancial impact. They are intrinsically linked.
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I never said Grubbs was more important then Rice just that one and the other kind of need each other. If you read my post no where in their is that. I said Webbie and Flacco in a passing league are more important than any running back. If RR signing comes at the cost of losing players that stop the pass or make the pass I am not for it in a passing nfl. Man I got to really start bolding and 25 fonting everything maybe someone will actually read an Entire post understand what the person is trying to say then replying

[atlravensfan]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1329021332' post='992402']
We already have a lot of money invested in a Guard maybe we can keep Grubbs too, but I disagree that he is as essential a player as Rice is to our offense. We can probably keep both, but that would restrict the players on defense that we would be able to re-sign.


First off, not really. The point of the thread was to discuss Ricky's tweet suggesting Rice will be re-signed soon, not details of how his contract will affect our cap situation. I also dont see how you can separate the two issues, getting back to financial vs team aspect. Every player is going to cost something, its the job of the team to weigh the value of the player vs the fincancial impact. They are intrinsically linked.
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but in any debate is like point 1 has a a and a b sub point that can lead to another one. I can reply saying I disagree with RR getting a heavy contract from a financial standpoint.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329022337' post='992411'] I never said Grubbs was more important then Rice just that one and the other kind of need each other. If you read my post no where in their is that. I said Webbie and Flacco in a passing league are more important than any running back. If RR signing comes at the cost of losing players that stop the pass or make the pass I am not for it in a passing nfl. Man I got to really start bolding and 25 fonting everything maybe someone will actually read an Entire post understand what the person is trying to say then replying[/quote]
Dude, you are putting words in my mouth. I never said that you said Grubbs was more important than Rice. You said Grubbs and Rice are a package deal while I disagree. Rice is significantly more important to the team IMO. You accuse me of not reading your post and then do the exact same thing lol.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329022462' post='992413'] but in any debate is like point 1 has a a and a b sub point that can lead to another one. I can reply saying I disagree with RR getting a heavy contract from a financial standpoint.[/quote]
Yeah, this really isnt worth discussing. Anyone is free to say whatever they want in a thread.

My point and I think the point of some previous posts is that you cant just say "Well from a financial standpoint", football doesnt work that way. There are always going to be costs and there will always be cap casualties. The job of the FO is weigh the value of every single player and decide who needs to be kept and who is not quite as critical to the team moving forward. I would argue that Rice, Webb, and Flacco are all key players that need to be resigned. Grubbs is important too, but he is not as essential IMO. Rice out of those three I mentioned so he is #1 priority to me. Hopefully he will sign a reasonable contract that gives him the money he deserves without crippling our cap room. Flacco I would like to see extended as well. Hopefully, we can get away with giving Webb a tender, but that is yet to be determined. If there is room to keep Grubbs too than I am all for it. If not, then we will have to look elsewhere to solidify the Oline.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='atlravensfan' timestamp='1329020537' post='992399']
Yes but the point of the thread was financial not team. It was about Ray Rice getting paid. I agree i love RR and he is an awesome player but from a business standpoint and team standpoint investing 10 mil a year plus signing bonus into the easiest position to replace in sports next to maybe the DH in baseball can be risky. The shelf life of Rbs is very low
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the point of this thread was ricky williams said RR is ABOUT TO GET PAID not he will get paid or get paid soon or whatever, about to get paid was his words. So i made a thread specualting was there an offer on the table that maybe will be announced in the near future purely due to the wording of his post, which he and leach later removed.

it wasnt to discus do we or dont we sign him, team or finincial.. was just to let yous know, that possibly he might have been signig a deal.

[SpearSrai]

If Rice was 27, I'd say we shouldn't sign him to a long-term dea that would take him past the infamous 30-cutoff.

But since he just turned 25, we can ink him through age 29-30 and not have to worry about the position for a half-decade (barring injury.)

I do think there should be a decelerator (I may have just invented this) in his contract that stipulates he lose $100,000 for every time he drops a catchable pass in a critical situation, though.

[jaege]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329000526' post='992153']
I will say it now. We give RR more than $10 Mill a year then it will not have good long term effects on our team.
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I do not see us giving him 10 mill a year. I do not even think Flacco will get that. Maybe 6-6.5 for Rice for 5 or 6 years with a hefty guarantee.