Rice About To Get Paid?!

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1328995551' post='992099']
Explain this instead of just Being general.. Who could we sign to take his place?
How would that benefit us as a whole?
And what could we do with the leftover money to help the team be "better"
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I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner. This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. Ricky cost us what $3 Mill? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328996315' post='992104']


I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner. This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. Ricky cost us what $3 Mill? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.
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U do know he led the league in yards from scrimmage

[sameoldbull]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif][quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328994486' post='992081'][/font]

[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I am not understating the importance that he has on this team.[b] I guess I am coming from the business end of the deal[/b]. Follow me here but it almost sucks for the Ravens that he has been so great. With the RB position you really don't need a great back because a wide margin can be an adequate to good back. [b]With those backs you can still win the Super Bowl. Patriots have done it, Giants, Saints, Colts[/b]. So RR has forced the hand of the Ravens and he will probably get $10 Mill a year when, I believe, we could be just as good if not better with just a good RB and being able to strengthen our team in other areas.[/font]
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[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I think that it is kinda arrogant statement. You are saying that if we don't agree with you, we don't [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]understand the "economics"/business of this game. [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]I think you mean "without", right? (just so I'm not putting words in your mouth - not being rude) And for your second statement. All the teams you have mentioned are teams with great great quarterbacks. Tom Brady, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. As much as I like Flacco I don't think he is in their league yet. (Eli might be debatable).[/font]
[font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Our offence's identity is smash mouth football. And that has been stated many times. Therefore [/font][font=arial, helvetica, sans-serif]Ray Rice is very important to Baltimore because a lot of our offence is centered around him. If you are important you will get payed. That is the basics of economy. Supply and demand.[/font]

[bauer77]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1328995551' post='992099']
Explain this instead of just Being general.. Who could we sign to take his place?
How would that benefit us as a whole?
[b]And what could we do with the leftover money to help the team be "better"[/b]
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Sign all the top FA's at every position! Duh!

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328996315' post='992104']

I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner. This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. Ricky cost us what $3 Mill? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.
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Teams shut down Rice in the postseason because EVERYONE knows he's the player you have to account for first when you face the Ravens offensively. He's one of the most dangerous weapons in the NFL and gets respected as such. You keep him at all costs and build around him and the other pieces to our young nucleus.

The reason why you worry about Rice more than Grubbs is simple. Rice is an [i]elite[/i] back. Grubbs is just a very good guard.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328996315' post='992104']

I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. [b]Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner[/b]. This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. Ricky cost us what $3 Mill? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.
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No, sorry. Teams shut him down because he didn't have a line blocking for him. Not to mention the fact that he's our #1 weapon and defenses key in on him.

As codizzle said, who do you suggest we bring in to replace RR? Mike Tolbert? Ronnie Brown? We wouldn't get far in the playoffs with guys like that.

[berad]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328996315' post='992104']

I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner. This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. Ricky cost us what $3 Mill? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.
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Rice's biggest problem is that the OL stinks? Sign me up! No one would've run with any effectiveness when our interior is getting demolished by Vince Wilfork on every play. Not Ricky Williams, not Issac Redman...

And you completely discount the role he plays in the passing game. Rice is not a "scat back", he's an all-around running back. Again, he's an elite dual threat.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1328997038' post='992113']


Sign all the top FA's at every position! Duh!
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Haha it makes too much sense!

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328995736' post='992101']

My logic is not flawed. KC had an over the hill Thomas Jones as the backup. He was not adequate or good. How many times in this league have we seen the top RB go down just to see their backups come in and blow it up? The RB position is the easiest position on the field. You get the ball and hit the hole. Many guys can be good RB's. I am sorry but at the end of the day it is an opinion and just that. I believe that it is not wise to spend so much on a RB. I may not be right.
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Again flawed as Jackie Battle became the main replacement for Charles for most of the season. However between the three of them, Jones, McCluster (rookie), Battle, none of them could produce anywhere close to the level Jamaal Charles did. You can't just draft an rb every four years when your original one's contract is up and expect him to produce at the same level.Also h

Also how many backups came in and did better than the feature back this season where an extraordinary amount of rbs went down? Answer: 1 Demarcco Murray. Tate was nowhere near Foster's level. Kendall Hunter was nowhere near Gore. Toby Gerhart and AP LOL. None of the the backs in Detroit matched best. Michael Bush was nowhere near as good as Mcfadden, but did well, but was nothing compared to Mcfadden. Fjax was much better than Spiller.

Feature backs exist for a reason. There is a reason teams give one guy the ball 20-25 times a game.

[bauer77]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1328997463' post='992119']

Haha it makes too much sense!
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Gotta love the offseason! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]

[Alexir]

Just hope that stupid Chris Johnson deal doesn't bite us in the butt

[codizzle]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1328997038' post='992113']



Sign all the top FA's at every position! Duh!
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This is my new solution in every thread in ravens talk... I'm sure the mods love it

[bauer77]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1328997927' post='992126']
This is my new solution in every thread in ravens talk... I'm sure the mods love it
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Haha mine too! Completely revamp the Ravens, destroy our salary cap for years to come, and we're set! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png[/img]

[sameoldbull]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328996315' post='992104']

I will try to explain. Ricky Williams had, by far, a more productive post season than RR. Teams shut him down because he is more of a scat back than a power runner.[b] This was because our O line played horrible. When the O line plays bad, scat backs go out the window. They are basically a waste in the run game[/b]. Power running is the way to go if the O line is sub par. We saw the same thing with Pittsburgh. Not saying Mendenhall is even comparable to RR but he had basically no success because of his O line and running style. But when Redman came in, somehow their running game was much improved.

Back to Ricky and RR. [b]Ricky cost us what $3 Mill[/b]? Ray Rice is going to cost us $10 Mill and a huge signing bonus. This means there is about $7 Mill a year differerence. You guys are willing to risk the O line to pay Ray Rice when the scenerio usually goes the worse the O line gets the more unproductive a scat back becomes? To me it seems like a negative correlation.

[b]To sum things up, I would rather have a competent hard running RB that is worth $4-$6 Mill a year. While having a good to great o line that can run block and pass block well. With paying Rice this much money, I just feel that we will have to let key players walk (i.e. Grubbs) and further hinder our o line.[/b]
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First of all. Barry Sanders begs to differ. Joke aside. It is all about the scheme, the players you have available and the opposing team. Some runningbacks thrive on different plays/formations. Powerbacks tend to be very good when running up the middle on power run plays (That sounds logical right?). Shiftier runningbacks (scat backs) would like to get the ball in space so they can sidestep/cutback and use their agility to elude the defensive players.

And yes. The O-line couldn't block a thing. Vince Wilfork abused the O-line. I think I saw on numerous plays Birk trying to one man Vince Wilfork and just get blown out the way. I really don't understand why we didn't try some pitches and reach the edge away from Wilfork. Running up the middle is like throwing to Ed Reed. He will eat you alive. But that again would be scheme.

What makes Ray Rice unique is that he is a complete back. He can go north/south, east/west, he can be put in motion, block and he can catch as a receiver. Hell, he can even throw the damn football.

Secondly. Ricky Williams is way more cheaper because he is older and he has no "future".

And at last. That is your opinion and you are perfectly entitled to have that. We might not agree, but that is something else [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

Edit: spelling mistakes. English isn't my native tongue...

[Ravens4Real]

I will say it now. We give RR more than $10 Mill a year then it will not have good long term effects on our team.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329000526' post='992153']
I will say it now. We give RR more than $10 Mill a year then it will not have good long term effects on our team.
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Anything more than $6 million a year would kill the team long term. Even then, that's a lot of money wasted on the second least important position on offense. It's the reason I don't want to resign him, because that's probably going to be what he wants. He's not the game-breaker that the majority of people make him out to be.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328993278' post='992070']
Sorry guys, I will be the first to say that it will not be a smart business decision to extend him and give a huge contract. Tag him and then go from there. RB's are way to expendable and can be had for far less. Probably the easiest position to replace in football. RR is a great talent but he is going to be looking for top RB money which is a huge amount to be paying for the next couple years. We really will have to let a couple of our good players go in the future if we give him a boat load.
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I'll counter as well. I know that it is a widely held opinion that RBs are a dime a dozen but IMO Rice is something special. He is one of the best all around backs in the league. Flacco flourishes in PA despite the fact that sometimes he does not really sell the fake well. Why? Because Rice is always a threat. Outside of his outstanding performance on the field, you will not find a player who more personifies the word "team". Rice always puts the team first as was evidenced in the fact that he did not once discuss his contract nor hold out or anything this season.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329000526' post='992153']
I will say it now. We give RR more than $10 Mill a year then it will not have good long term effects on our team.
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Idk where people Are getting 10 million from.. Even in cj2k's retarded contract he only was guaranteed 8 million this year

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1329001398' post='992157']
I'll counter as well. I know that it is a widely held opinion that RBs are a dime a dozen but IMO[b] Rice is something special[/b]. He is one of the best all around backs in the league. Flacco flourishes in PA despite the fact that sometimes he does not really sell the fake well. Why? Because Rice is always a threat. Outside of his outstanding performance on the field, you will not find a player who more personifies the word "team". Rice always puts the team first as was evidenced in the fact that he did not once discuss his contract nor hold out or anything this season.
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I understand why most of the fans like Rice and think he's something special. He interviews well and it used in a lot of promotional material for the team. The numbers, however, are proof enough that he is not something special. Looking at Rice's career in the regular season, he's put up years averaging 5.3, 4.0, and 4.7 YPC. While the first and third years are respectable, in the first he was running behind arguably the best OL in the entire league. In the third year, he was running behind a much improved OL and the best blocking fullback in the league. If you strip that away, Rice is nothing. There are plenty of other backs who, while they wouldn't be incredible with bad OLs, they could still give you the yards you need when you need it. Rice is not capable of doing that.

I bet if you watched every snap of every running back in this league and determined who gets the most carries for no gain Rice would be in the top five. He's not consistent as a running back, he'll break a big one now and again, but you can't count on him to get yards in the fourth quarter. It's that fourth quarter running that running backs should be making their money on, because that's when you need to run out the clock and put the game away. Rarely, if ever, have I seen Rice do that for us. He picks up a lot of regular season yardage to be certain, but it's a product of [b]quantity[/b], not [b]quality[/b]. He gets stats because he's the primary running back and useful in the passing game, especially as a check down.

If I was in charge I would let him walk, but of course Cam Cameron would no longer be with us in that scenario and we'd be transitioning to a passing offense. Realistically that's not going to happen because the team makes more money off of Rice than any other offensive player currently on the roster. It's a marketing decision more than a business one IMO.

[codizzle]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1329002102' post='992163']


I understand why most of the fans like Rice and think he's something special. He interviews well and it used in a lot of promotional material for the team. The numbers, however, are proof enough that he is not something special. Looking at Rice's career in the regular season, he's put up years averaging 5.3, 4.0, and 4.7 YPC. While the first and third years are respectable, in the first he was running behind arguably the best OL in the entire league. In the third year, he was running behind a much improved OL and the best blocking fullback in the league. If you strip that away, Rice is nothing. There are plenty of other backs who, while they wouldn't be incredible with bad OLs, they could still give you the yards you need when you need it. Rice is not capable of doing that.

I bet if you watched every snap of every running back in this league and determined who gets the most carries for no gain Rice would be in the top five. He's not consistent as a running back, he'll break a big one now and again, but you can't count on him to get yards in the fourth quarter. It's that fourth quarter running that running backs should be making their money on, because that's when you need to run out the clock and put the game away. Rarely, if ever, have I seen Rice do that for us. He picks up a lot of regular season yardage to be certain, but it's a product of [b]quantity[/b], not [b]quality[/b]. He gets stats because he's the primary running back and useful in the passing game, especially as a check down.

If I was in charge I would let him walk, but of course Cam Cameron would no longer be with us in that scenario and we'd be transitioning to a passing offense. Realistically that's not going to happen because the team makes more money off of Rice than any other offensive player currently on the roster. It's a marketing decision more than a business one IMO.
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That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.. He has averaged 4.6 ypc for his career..
I mean he averaged 4.7 this year behind our god awful at times oline

I honestly am at a loss for words with some of these posts in the offseason and I've been here long enough I know what's coming every year..

Ray rice is by far the most consistent and arguably best player on this football team.

[Yatagarasu]

Dime out of a dozen?

Imagine if the Lions decided to let go of Barry Sanders when he was due for a big raise. The Whole Front Office would be fired, since there are a dime in a dozen idiots that can take their place, if that happened. Barry Sanders was a franchise RB and he sells seats for fans to seat on. Like all franchise players, you keep them because you make money with them playing on your team. Look at the cheap Glaziers with Tampa Bay, they can't sell seats cause they got a bunch of average, some better than average, players filling spots. Therefore they can't win cause they're trying to compete with franchise players of Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, Cam Newton with no namers.

I wish Cam Cameron freaken started to use Ray Rice like this:

[media='']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoOuAFYY1T8[/media]

But we don't play in the AFC West to run up the score and all our divisional opponents have top 10 defenses.

[media='']http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf0yJDNzn_E[/media]

We have a franchise RB.

[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5452/career;_ylt=AoA5mX254MqZ0gDPcrKkW2GqOot4"]LT Stats[/url]

[url="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8832/career;_ylt=AoA5mX254MqZ0gDPcrKkW2H.uLYF"]RR Stats[/url]

[berad]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1329002102' post='992163']
[b]I understand why most of the fans like Rice and think he's something special. He interviews well and it used in a lot of promotional material for the team.[/b] [b] The numbers, however, are proof enough that he is not something special. [/b] Looking at Rice's career in the regular season, he's put up years averaging 5.3, 4.0, and 4.7 YPC. While the first and third years are respectable, in the first he was running behind arguably the best OL in the entire league. In the third year, he was running behind a much improved OL and the best blocking fullback in the league. If you strip that away, Rice is nothing. There are plenty of other backs who, while they wouldn't be incredible with bad OLs, they could still give you the yards you need when you need it. Rice is not capable of doing that.

I bet if you watched every snap of every running back in this league and determined who gets the most carries for no gain Rice would be in the top five. He's not consistent as a running back, he'll break a big one now and again, but you can't count on him to get yards in the fourth quarter. It's that fourth quarter running that running backs should be making their money on, because that's when you need to run out the clock and put the game away. Rarely, if ever, have I seen Rice do that for us. He picks up a lot of regular season yardage to be certain, but it's a product of [b]quantity[/b], not [b]quality[/b]. He gets stats because he's the primary running back and useful in the passing game, especially as a check down.

If I was in charge I would let him walk, but of course Cam Cameron would no longer be with us in that scenario and we'd be transitioning to a passing offense. Realistically that's not going to happen because the team makes more money off of Rice than any other offensive player currently on the roster. [b]It's a marketing decision more than a business one IMO.[/b]
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Too funny. Rice is a great player because of how he performs on the field, not because he does commercials. No rational person mistakes the two. Tell Ozzie Newsome or Eric DeCosta that Ray Rice is 'just a pretty face' and they might have security escort you out of the room.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1329001994' post='992162']
Idk where people Are getting 10 million from.. Even in cj2k's retarded contract he only was guaranteed 8 million this year
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That is $8 mill of a salary. Workout bonuses, playing escalators and other things can factor into a cap hit and salary number. The $8 mill is the lowest possible number that he can get paid and that is still to much for an RB. If we sign RR he will basically have around the same figures. So it will be around $10 mill, the number stated, by the time the bonuses and other factors come into play.

Edit: On top of the all of these items stated above, the signing bonus also needs to be pro rated over the course of the deal. Johnson got a 4 year extension and had a year left so he had a $10 Mill signing bonus pro rated over 5 years. So hi cap number for 2012 is already at $10 Mill and will only go up from there. He will be almost at $12 Mill by the time the season end.

Some of you guys need to study up on cap numbers and the different things that affect them. Like I said, RR even over a $7 Mill cap hit each year will affect the long term team.


[url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/chris-johnson/"]http://www.spotrac.c.../chris-johnson/[/url]

[bauer77]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329004161' post='992181']

That is $8 mill of a salary. Workout bonuses, playing escalators and other things can factor into a cap hit and salary number. The $8 mill is the lowest possible number that he can get paid and [b]that is still to much for an RB[/b]. If we sign RR he will basically have around the same figures. So it will be around $10 mill, the number stated, by the time the bonuses and other factors come into play.
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Too much for a RB? The guy worked his butt off, and is one of the main reasons we have been in the playoffs the last 4 seasons.

What do you expect to do, to keep drafting RBs, when they get good and deserve a payday, just let them walk? Since we are at it, lets just let Flacco and Webb walk. Signing them to long-term deals with a payday they deserve is dumb! /sarcasm.

[adam713]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1329002102' post='992163']

I understand why most of the fans like Rice and think he's something special. He interviews well and it used in a lot of promotional material for the team. The numbers, however, are proof enough that he is not something special. Looking at Rice's career in the regular season, he's put up years averaging 5.3, 4.0, and 4.7 YPC. While the first and third years are respectable, in the first he was running behind arguably the best OL in the entire league. In the third year, he was running behind a much improved OL and the best blocking fullback in the league. If you strip that away, Rice is nothing. There are plenty of other backs who, while they wouldn't be incredible with bad OLs, they could still give you the yards you need when you need it. Rice is not capable of doing that.

I bet if you watched every snap of every running back in this league and determined who gets the most carries for no gain Rice would be in the top five. He's not consistent as a running back, he'll break a big one now and again, but you can't count on him to get yards in the fourth quarter. It's that fourth quarter running that running backs should be making their money on, because that's when you need to run out the clock and put the game away. Rarely, if ever, have I seen Rice do that for us. He picks up a lot of regular season yardage to be certain, but it's a product of quantity, not quality. He gets stats because he's the primary running back and useful in the passing game, especially as a check down.

[b]If I was in charge I would let him walk,[/b] but of course Cam Cameron would no longer be with us in that scenario and we'd be transitioning to a passing offense. Realistically that's not going to happen because the team makes more money off of Rice than any other offensive player currently on the roster. It's a marketing decision more than a business one IMO.
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Well, it's a blessing that you're not in charge.

Ray Rice is a performance stud and one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL. To suggest otherwise is simply insanity.

[sameoldbull]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1329003553' post='992176']

Too funny. Rice is a great player because of how he performs on the field, not because he does commercials. No rational person mistakes the two. Tell Ozzie Newsome or Eric DeCosta that Ray Rice is 'just a pretty face' and they might have security escort you out of the room.
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Rice is a great player and a great person. Ray Rice is a brand and he has potential to become the face of our franchise. But something we can't forget that this is business. The NFL lockout is a clear example of this.
There is more to it than just the performance on the field. Selling merchandise is a great way to gain income for the franchise. I know that this is not from the NFL, but it is still related to how the economy works in the sports business (it is from soccer).
http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/821856-cristiano-ronaldo-shirt-sales-have-already-paid-off-80m

Imagine if we could get let us say Patrick Willis to come and play in a ravens uniform. How many wouldn't want to buy a new shirt with Willis on its back even thou you already have several raven shirts. I've already seen a lot of people saying that they wanna buy a new Pollard shirt and he ain't even a superstar!

[bauer77]

[quote name='sameoldbull' timestamp='1329005627' post='992199']

Rice is a great player and a great person. Ray Rice is a brand and he has potential to become the face of our franchise. But something we can't forget that this is business. The NFL lockout is a clear example of this.
There is more to it than just the performance on the field. Selling merchandise is a great way to gain income for the franchise. I know that this is not from the NFL, but it is still related to how the economy works in the sports business (it is from soccer).
[url="http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/821856-cristiano-ronaldo-shirt-sales-have-already-paid-off-80m"]http://www.metro.co....dy-paid-off-80m[/url]

Imagine if we could get let us say Patrick Willis to come and play in a ravens uniform. How many wouldn't want to buy a new shirt with Willis on its back even thou you already have several raven shirts. I've already seen a lot of people saying that they wanna buy a new Pollard shirt and he ain't even a superstar!
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Last time i checked, the Nfl, or the Baltimore Ravens, or Ray Rice, or whoever, isn't at our doorstep telling us we MUST buy their stuff. We CHOOSE to buy them.I do agree its a business, but most of that business is our choosing. And yes, i do think a lot of it is based off of performance on the field. I'm not going to buy a David Reed jersey over a Ray Rice one anyday. People wanna buy a Pollard jersey because of his play on the field.

[berad]

[quote name='sameoldbull' timestamp='1329005627' post='992199']
Rice is a great player and a great person. Ray Rice is a brand and he has potential to become the face of our franchise. But something we can't forget that this is business. The NFL lockout is a clear example of this.
There is more to it than just the performance on the field. Selling merchandise is a great way to gain income for the franchise. I know that this is not from the NFL, but it is still related to how the economy works in the sports business (it is from soccer).
[url="http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/821856-cristiano-ronaldo-shirt-sales-have-already-paid-off-80m"]http://www.metro.co....dy-paid-off-80m[/url]

Imagine if we could get let us say Patrick Willis to come and play in a ravens uniform. How many wouldn't want to buy a new shirt with Willis on its back even thou you already have several raven shirts. I've already seen a lot of people saying that they wanna buy a new Pollard shirt and he ain't even a superstar!
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[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1329006862' post='992207']
Last time i checked, the Nfl, or the Baltimore Ravens, or Ray Rice, or whoever, isn't at our doorstep telling us we MUST buy their stuff. We CHOOSE to buy them.I do agree its a business, but most of that business is our choosing. And yes, i do think a lot of it is based off of performance on the field. I'm not going to buy a David Reed jersey over a Ray Rice one anyday.[b] People wanna buy a Pollard jersey because of his play on the field[/b].
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That's my response to that. Players are marketable because they're successful on the field first and foremost. The fact that they're (most of the time) good people off the field is just gravy.

Mike Vick has sold a ton of jerseys despite being voted as one of the most disliked athletes in the sports world. He still got a $100M deal from the Eagles, after all his PR issues.

A player's prowess on the field and chemistry with his team is the most important thing, marketability is not high on the totem.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329004161' post='992181']

That is $8 mill of a salary. Workout bonuses, playing escalators and other things can factor into a cap hit and salary number. The $8 mill is the lowest possible number that he can get paid and that is still to much for an RB. If we sign RR he will basically have around the same figures. So it will be around $10 mill, the number stated, by the time the bonuses and other factors come into play.

Edit: On top of the all of these items stated above, the signing bonus also needs to be pro rated over the course of the deal. Johnson got a 4 year extension and had a year left so he had a $10 Mill signing bonus pro rated over 5 years. So hi cap number for 2012 is already at $10 Mill and will only go up from there. He will be almost at $12 Mill by the time the season end.

Some of you guys need to study up on cap numbers and the different things that affect them. Like I said, [b]RR even over a $7 Mill cap hit each year will affect the long term team.[/b]


[url="http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tennessee-titans/chris-johnson/"]http://www.spotrac.c.../chris-johnson/[/url]
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Not having Ray Rice on our team will have a much larger, and much worse affect on the Ravens. While you are studying how the cap works you should read up on how the salary cap is going to get a considerable size increase starting in 2013 because the new TV contract kicks in, so extending players now before contracts get even bigger isnt such a bad idea.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1329010708' post='992256']

Not having Ray Rice on our team will have a much larger, and much worse affect on the Ravens. While you are studying how the cap works you should read up on how the salary cap is going to get a considerable size increase starting in 2013 because the new TV contract kicks in, so extending players now before contracts get even bigger isnt such a bad idea.
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Let's also add that losing Ray Rice hurts our run game. It's not a given that we can bring some guy in off the streets and have him do what Rice does or anything close. Allen & Berry I believe are going to be very capable back-ups, but I do not think they can replace what Rice does here.

Remember, the defense need to rest. Rice is a big part of why they can rest. You must run the ball to give the defense a breath. You must run it effectively.