134 replies to this topic

[jaege]

Yeah Rice would be very hard to replace for less than it would cost to keep him, but I agree that a great corner is more valuable than a great RB. At least in this pass happy league. I just hope we can keep them both.

[indianstick]

GrimCoconut, on 21 February 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

You know, that guy Isiah Pead is pretty good. I really like his running style and would love to have him on this team. Sorry to off-topic. I agree with you on all counts, though. It would be hard to find another RB who could receive & rush effectively.

Im a huge fan of isiah pead, i don't know if the ravens will get him but he is going to make a team really happy. This is such a deep class, you look other guys like benard pierce and chris polk too, i know it's early to say but this year's rb class is looking to be the best since 2008

[WonTon]

In the worst case scenario that webb leaves, who would take the #1 cb spot: williams or smith? would carr then move to the nickel?

[SpearSrai]

WonTon, on 21 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

In the worst case scenario that webb leaves, who would take the #1 cb spot: williams or smith? would carr then move to the nickel?

Well, those would be the two starters... who the "#1 corner" is depends more on individual gameplans than anything. For example, Webb was lining up against the slot receiver late this year, even though he was our "#1"... so if you're one of the top two it doesn't rightfully matter what the depth chart says, because you're going to be covering different receivers as the game unfolds anyway.

We would probably draft a corner fairly early, though, if this did happen. At least in the first two days, unless we signed someone in free agency.

[gabefergy]

WonTon, on 21 February 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

In the worst case scenario that webb leaves, who would take the #1 cb spot: williams or smith? would carr then move to the nickel?

Worst Case Scenario if someone offers Webb an Aso contract.

I think Jimmy is better than Cary, if thats what you are asking. Carr or Gorrer is solid at nickel.

[GrimCoconut]

Of our corners, I hope someone takes Carr. I would love to trade him, even if all we got for him was the ability to move up in a round.

And between our RFA CBs, I wouldn't mind if someone took Williams if he had a 2nd round tender. I would miss him because I like the guy, but I believe we would be OK without him. Losing Webb would be far from OK.,

[atlravensfan]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 08:24 AM, said:

Of our corners, I hope someone takes Carr. I would love to trade him, even if all we got for him was the ability to move up in a round.

And between our RFA CBs, I wouldn't mind if someone took Williams if he had a 2nd round tender. I would miss him because I like the guy, but I believe we would be OK without him. Losing Webb would be far from OK.,

I would argue giving our up coming schedule that signing Webb is more important then signing rice. We have a lot of passing teams in that schedule meaning we are going to have to pass to beat them as well as stop it. Cary has shown that he can cover a teams number 2 but do we really want him on the number on guy all the time.

[GrimCoconut]

atlravensfan, on 22 February 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

I would argue giving our up coming schedule that signing Webb is more important then signing rice. We have a lot of passing teams in that schedule meaning we are going to have to pass to beat them as well as stop it. Cary has shown that he can cover a teams number 2 but do we really want him on the number on guy all the time.

I don't disagree? I agree that Webb can't go anywhere. I want us to sign him long-term. What I said was I would be OK losing someone like Cary but not so much losing Webb. If we lost Cary, then it might be a good idea to keep Carr, though. That's the only downside I see. I would give up Williams for a 2nd round pick.

I don't trust Williams on any #1 receiver.

[atlravensfan]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

I don't disagree? I agree that Webb can't go anywhere. I want us to sign him long-term. What I said was I would be OK losing someone like Cary but not so much losing Webb. If we lost Cary, then it might be a good idea to keep Carr, though. That's the only downside I see. I would give up Williams for a 2nd round pick.

I don't trust Williams on any #1 receiver.

I argree esp cause our schedule looks like we are going to be in a lot of nickel and dime formations

[atlravensfan]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

I don't disagree? I agree that Webb can't go anywhere. I want us to sign him long-term. What I said was I would be OK losing someone like Cary but not so much losing Webb. If we lost Cary, then it might be a good idea to keep Carr, though. That's the only downside I see. I would give up Williams for a 2nd round pick.

I don't trust Williams on any #1 receiver.

Sorry spell check on android strikes again lol

[SpearSrai]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

I don't disagree? I agree that Webb can't go anywhere. I want us to sign him long-term. What I said was I would be OK losing someone like Cary but not so much losing Webb. If we lost Cary, then it might be a good idea to keep Carr, though. That's the only downside I see. I would give up Williams for a 2nd round pick.

I don't trust Williams on any #1 receiver.

You think someone would offer a 2nd rounder for Cary? You think we'll tender him a 2nd to entice someone to make a play for him?

He's got good size, but he's about to be the 3rd best corner on the team if he's not already... he makes some plays, but he gives up some catches too. He's maybe suited to match up with these new athletic tight ends that are sweeping the league, but not so much the speedy slot guys like Cruz and Welker... I guess we would always put Webb on those guys like we did with Welker...

Either way, I think it's good for us... an extra 2nd, or an above-average third corner. Not sure anyone would give a 2nd for him anyway.

[GrimCoconut]

SpearSrai, on 22 February 2012 - 11:51 AM, said:

You think someone would offer a 2nd rounder for Cary? You think we'll tender him a 2nd to entice someone to make a play for him?

He's got good size, but he's about to be the 3rd best corner on the team if he's not already... he makes some plays, but he gives up some catches too. He's maybe suited to match up with these new athletic tight ends that are sweeping the league, but not so much the speedy slot guys like Cruz and Welker... I guess we would always put Webb on those guys like we did with Welker...

Either way, I think it's good for us... an extra 2nd, or an above-average third corner. Not sure anyone would give a 2nd for him anyway.

I think there is a bigger chance someone gives a 2nd for Cary than a 1st for Webb. Teams don't like to give up big draft picks, and I don't think this will be any different. When you couple that with the fact that this is a very nice, top-heavy draft for cornerbacks, I suspect Cary Williams and Webb will be here next year easily. For this same reason I believe the Steelers retain Wallace.

I would love a 2nd round pick for Cary Williams. I like him, but I would give him up for a 2nd. He's a good cornerback, and he has a lot of potential. I think another offseason will make him better. I could only see teams with more than one 2nd round pick make a play for him. Those teams would be Eagles (might trade Asante Samuels and get even more picks) and the Patriots.

And yes, I do expect us to tender him with a 2nd for two reasons: 1.) to save money, and 2.) we doubt anyone takes him and if they do, we get nice compensation.

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

I think there is a bigger chance someone gives a 2nd for Cary than a 1st for Webb. Teams don't like to give up big draft picks, and I don't think this will be any different. When you couple that with the fact that this is a very nice, top-heavy draft for cornerbacks, I suspect Cary Williams and Webb will be here next year easily. For this same reason I believe the Steelers retain Wallace.

I would love a 2nd round pick for Cary Williams. I like him, but I would give him up for a 2nd. He's a good cornerback, and he has a lot of potential. I think another offseason will make him better. I could only see teams with more than one 2nd round pick make a play for him. Those teams would be Eagles (might trade Asante Samuels and get even more picks) and the Patriots.

And yes, I do expect us to tender him with a 2nd for two reasons: 1.) to save money, and 2.) we doubt anyone takes him and if they do, we get nice compensation.

Summed it up pretty much to me.

[Bltravens]

GrimCoconut, on 22 February 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

I think there is a bigger chance someone gives a 2nd for Cary than a 1st for Webb. Teams don't like to give up big draft picks, and I don't think this will be any different. When you couple that with the fact that this is a very nice, top-heavy draft for cornerbacks, I suspect Cary Williams and Webb will be here next year easily. For this same reason I believe the Steelers retain Wallace.

I would love a 2nd round pick for Cary Williams. I like him, but I would give him up for a 2nd. He's a good cornerback, and he has a lot of potential. I think another offseason will make him better. I could only see teams with more than one 2nd round pick make a play for him. Those teams would be Eagles (might trade Asante Samuels and get even more picks) and the Patriots.

And yes, I do expect us to tender him with a 2nd for two reasons: 1.) to save money, and 2.) we doubt anyone takes him and if they do, we get nice compensation.

Nobody is giving up a 2nd round pick for Cary Williams. He just finished his first year as an actual contributor on defense, nevertheless starting, will be 28 next year and teams will want to see if it was Pagano's schemes that helped Williams break out or his own stand alone talent.

[GrimCoconut]

Bltravens, on 27 February 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Nobody is giving up a 2nd round pick for Cary Williams. He just finished his first year as an actual contributor on defense, nevertheless starting, will be 28 next year and teams will want to see if it was Pagano's schemes that helped Williams break out or his own stand alone talent.

I agree. I just threw that in there because a team may be stupid enough to do it, but I am honestly concerned that Williams benefited more from Pagano's scheme more than anything. That's why I said in my 2nd point that we doubt anyone would give up a 2nd for him but if they did then it would work out.