Terrell Owens Hints At Ability To Help Ravens

[Alexir]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1328879800' post='991106']
Nah Alexir we were discussing Steve Smith. I defenitely dont want T.O on this team in any capacity.
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Oh ok, I was like WHAT?!?!?!

Yeah I would take either Steve Smith but going forward I think our receivers are fine. We just aren't utilizing them correctly.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328880281' post='991109']
Oh ok, I was like WHAT?!?!?!

Yeah I would take either Steve Smith but going forward I think our receivers are fine. We just aren't utilizing them correctly.
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Oh i agree. So thats a No for T.O???????

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='izvoodoo' timestamp='1328825766' post='990655']
I don't want vjax either, but TO is done. At this point he'd be 5th on our depth chart even if we cut lee evans. Maybe he'll be a camp body. But it's not gonna happen.
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I agree I rather have bowe, just because he still produced with lesser known QB except cassle. V jax has Rivers, I love to see what he can do without #17 for a few games or a season, to get an accurate assessment of him.

[sameoldbull]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328852626' post='990996']
Okay, I will bite. Say we get TO. Who do we cut? Boldin, Smith, & probably Doss are guaranteed jobs (Doss only because we JUST drafted him). Evans (overpaid), Williams (special team player, no big play on offense but impressed coaches), & David Reed (he fumbled his way out of Baltimore) are probably the only ones who would be on their way out. I like Williams and I want him to stay. I also like Lee Evans, I just dislike his salary. David Reed, well, I don't have anything nice to say about him at this juncture.

If we cut Reed, then we could sign TO, but then my question is who returns kicks because I really didn't like what I saw from LaQuan, and I sure don't want Webb doing it. We get a special teams cornerback, OK. But we already have a lot of talent there. Anthony Allen can't do it, nor can Ray Rice. As far as I know, neither can Damien Berry. I don't want 4 running backs on this team, either.

Wide receivers make some of the best KR/PR. I'd rather we draft someone like Maze from Alabama and use him on PR/KR than sign TO who may never see the field. We only get to keep 53 men on the roster. We can't have 7 wide receivers.
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We still have Philip Livas signed. Why not give him a chance? He looks pretty fast to me when he hits the hole!

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1328837789' post='990819']
You need help lol, as you said, leave the past in the past, TO may have been the greater reciever but Vjax is FAR superior now.
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How? Really tell me? I need help because I dont agree with you? What are we in Jr high now? Let me give you some ether, T.O. has a better body of work, what has V Jax done? Not much homie. So you point is moot now, he plays for the chargers, which had a horrible team this year. So you are impressed by a double move? LOL people on this board kill me. SMH. I rather have bowe than V Jax. Point blank. So if he didnt have rivers would you be talking like you talking now? I doubt that. so come back with facts, T.O. is better so sorry Im not sheeple who follows people ideas.

[izvoodoo]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328881554' post='991126']
I agree I rather have bowe, just because he still produced with lesser known QB except cassle. V jax has Rivers, I love to see what he can do without #17 for a few games or a season, to get an accurate assessment of him.
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Dwayne Bowe is a grown man.

[chesapeakeaviator]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1328849693' post='990961']

I know that a lot of people look at the rumored suicide attempt and are quick to write TO off, but I could care less what he tried to do or what the media says he tried to attempt. We have no idea what goes on in his personal life/head, so I just can't judge a person based off of rumors. It's the stuff that he does do on the field and in the locker room that makes me dislike him. Just shutup and play football.

I didn't mean to lecture you lol, just wanted to give my opinion on the attempted suicide rumor.
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Fair enough. Wasn't trying to say that was the reason we shouldn't pick him up, just to be clear. I just remembered it and was saying that in my opinion, it's unfortunate; actually trying to empathize with the guy a little. I have an aunt who at one time was something really, [i]really[/i] special before mental illness crashed it all down. It's kind of weird, but the similarities between the two are stunning.

As well as I remember that incident, I also remember when he started becoming a jacka$$, one of the networks (I believe it was ESPN) did something on him where they said that upon entering the league, he was really a "yes sir, no sir" sort of guy, extraordinarily respectful, exceeded expectations in part because he was so willing to listen to coaches, eager to please on special teams and all that...

Something just went wrong in that man's head. I'm convinced of it. And no one lost out more than him as a result.

[chesapeakeaviator]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1328849862' post='990962']


Last season stat line for him should speak for itself. Almost 1000 yards on the Bengals. I think hes still good. Whats the difference of ability between him and Ray Lewis? Ray will be 37 and plays every single snap. Im just saying, if TO put up just under 1000yds, he has something in the tank!. Another thing, as our WRs got jammed at the line this past season against Seattle and Jacksonville. I [b]DARE [/b]someone to try to jam TO. Hes incredibly strong and shrugs off DBs.

I just wish people on here would stop acting like he is nothing and oh we are this big girly respectable franchise that would never take a "locker room cancer"

Lastly, for poops and giggles, Vincent Jackson put up 1106yds this season. Just over 120yds more than Owens last season. He also started all 16 games in SD as Owens started 14 in CIN. Owens could have easily earned 60 yards in both of those games
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Totally entitled to your opinion, and I'm not saying I know for sure--I don't think ANY of us truly [i]know[/i] where the man is right now. What we do know is he went to great lengths to show that he could still play last year. We also know there were several teams in absolute dire need of a WR like that.

Not one taker.

[ChrisRyan]

T.O. would be a caner to our team. Don't need that kind of player in our locker room

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328882292' post='991136']
How? Really tell me? I need help because I dont agree with you? What are we in Jr high now? Let me give you some ether, T.O. has a better body of work, what has V Jax done? Not much homie. So you point is moot now, he plays for the chargers, which had a horrible team this year. So you are impressed by a double move? LOL people on this board kill me. SMH. I rather have bowe than V Jax. Point blank. So if he didnt have rivers would you be talking like you talking now? I doubt that. so come back with facts, T.O. is better so sorry [u][b]Im not sheeple who follows people ideas[/b][/u].
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"sheeple?" that's a new one to me but i love it! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/190048.gif[/img]

~Mili

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1328890191' post='991223']

"sheeple?" that's a new one to me but i love it! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/190048.gif[/img]

~Mili
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Mili that is someone who is following an idea which may not be in our best interest. As a raven fan I want the best, if came down to Bowe or V Jax? It is bowe by a landslide I know he can make the catches and get seperation from Corners, and is a big target. Bowe is a proven player in my eyes.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

No thanks. I like our current group of receivers going forward. Evans will have to take a pay cut but I want to see what he can do with Flacco if he's healthy all year.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328890698' post='991230']
Mili that is someone who is following an idea which may not be in our best interest. As a raven fan I want the best, if came down to Bowe or V Jax? It is bowe by a landslide I know he can make the catches and get seperation from Corners, and is a big target. Bowe is a proven player in my eyes.
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But Bowe had 12 drops this year. Isn't the problem that our guys drop too many balls?

[grape drank]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328882292' post='991136']
How? Really tell me? I need help because I dont agree with you? What are we in Jr high now? Let me give you some ether, T.O. has a better body of work, what has V Jax done? Not much homie. So you point is moot now, he plays for the chargers, which had a horrible team this year. So you are impressed by a double move? LOL people on this board kill me. SMH. I rather have bowe than V Jax. Point blank. So if he didnt have rivers would you be talking like you talking now? I doubt that. so come back with facts, T.O. is better so sorry Im not sheeple who follows people ideas.
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HE'S 38 YEARS OLD! Lol Vincent played on a team that didn't even get hot from many weeks, and still managed a 1000 yard season...something none of our receivers could do. If we signed TO he'd be here for one maybe 2 years, destroy our locker room, and prove too old to keep up with the young guns in the league. He made the pro bowl this year (which doesn't say too much, but its better to make the pro bowl than to not make it.). MIND YOU I'd agree with you on taking Bowe over Vjax, I'm not saying Vjax is the best WR in the league but he's superior to TO by far from a playing perspective, an investment perspective, and pretty well every perspective except yours.

[grape drank]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328882292' post='991136']
How? Really tell me? I need help because I dont agree with you? What are we in Jr high now? Let me give you some ether, T.O. has a better body of work, what has V Jax done? Not much homie. So you point is moot now, he plays for the chargers, which had a horrible team this year. So you are impressed by a double move? LOL people on this board kill me. SMH. I rather have bowe than V Jax. Point blank. So if he didnt have rivers would you be talking like you talking now? I doubt that. so come back with facts, T.O. is better so sorry Im not sheeple who follows people ideas.
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On top of that, V jax also has size and speed over 2.0, two areas that are offence is in short supply, so again, how is it me that needs help? Your the only person on this board that would take TO over Vjax. Being different doesn't always mean your right.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328891012' post='991238']
But Bowe had 12 drops this year. Isn't the problem that our guys drop too many balls?
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This. I've never liked Bowe.

[RavenDefense]

I Say Give Him A Chance ,

[MLGWL20]

What about Ocho? He's most likely gone from NE, and I think he's still got some good play in him. He's been humbled this year, he's shut up, and he now has something to prove.

The negative is that he's a fading vet and that hasn't worked out for us lately at WR.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1328824122' post='990615']
[b]Yes, Pitta and/or Dickson were lined up outside a lot all season long. They were even used in bunch formations![/b] Q did see a lot of snaps in the slot, and while I think its kind of silly to flex out Leach, the reason you do that is to make favorable match-ups.

Oh, we don't need TO either. He's old and he's a cancer.
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I don't remember seeing either of those. I'm pretty sure (off the top of my head) that we were in a bunch formation on the 3rd and 1 conversion to Q late in the title game and he got the yac down the sideline. But if we did do bunch formations, they were [i]rare[/i]. On a lot of instances, I remember seeing us go bunch only to send Q in motion to the other side before the snap.

Also, if the TEs were lined up out wide, it sure didn't happen "a lot."

[PurpleDrink]

Its sad to see T.O like this......but he needs to understand at his age of 38 nobodys going to pick him up PLUS with the injury he has its over. I feel bad its getting hard for him to keep up with his child support.......but he shouldnt have had all them kids.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328843427' post='990875']
You know who else would of helped us?


Derrick Mason and wouldn't you know it he already had rapport with our QB. When Boldin was injured, we should of signed him for depth. That COULD of been the difference between a superbowl or not. Mason was very reliable and would of taken a league minimum for a ring...
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We were 2-0 with Q out of the lineup. Derrick also sucked last postseason, and I didn't see anything in either playoff game this season that would have given me a hint that we needed him.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1328895529' post='991325']
I don't remember seeing either of those. I'm pretty sure (off the top of my head) that we were in a bunch formation on the 3rd and 1 conversion to Q late in the title game and he got the yac down the sideline. But if we did do bunch formations, they were [i]rare[/i]. On a lot of instances, I remember seeing us go bunch only to send Q in motion to the other side before the snap.

Also, if the TEs were lined up out wide, it sure didn't happen "a lot."
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Pretty mcuh every 3rd and long at least 1 of the TEs was flexed outside.

[J-man]

I'd take Reggie Wayne over Terrell Owens.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1328896162' post='991340']
Pretty mcuh every 3rd and long at least 1 of the TEs was flexed outside.
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Yep. Cam has been lining Dickson out wide going back to the '10 season. And Pitta was split out wide more and more as this past season went on. His TD catches against the 49ers and Colts are good examples.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328891012' post='991238']
But Bowe had 12 drops this year. Isn't the problem that our guys drop too many balls?
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well I havent found that he dropped 12 catches this year, is that a problem? yes it is, it can be corrected? Yes. but I still stand firm that I rather have bowe than V Jax.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1328891329' post='991247']
HE'S 38 YEARS OLD! Lol Vincent played on a team that didn't even get hot from many weeks, and still managed a 1000 yard season...something none of our receivers could do. If we signed TO he'd be here for one maybe 2 years, [b]destroy our locker room[/b], and prove too old to keep up with the young guns in the league. He made the pro bowl this year (which doesn't say too much, but its better to make the pro bowl than to not make it.). MIND YOU I'd agree with you on taking Bowe over Vjax, I'm not saying Vjax is the best WR in the league but he's superior to TO by far from a playing perspective, an investment perspective, and pretty well every perspective except yours.
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@ the bolded how is T.O. going destroy our locker room? He said he learned his lesson, What I really want to tell you wont hear me so I not going to waste my breath. I guessed you missed the unity part of when the team had joe's back after the media storm, so V Jax is better than our core group alone cuz of a 1000 yards? LOL that is the funniest thing I heard all week! I'm a fan of talent bar none but V Jax isn't that good to me, I guess you still see the double moves in our primetime let down vs the chargers. He wasnt doing anything special all game, to make me go " we have to have him on the ravens". What he do against the lions: 2 catches and 41 yards. He isnt good as advertised.

[Dnyce215]

[quote name='grape drank' timestamp='1328891493' post='991251']
On top of that, V jax also has size and speed over 2.0, two areas that are offence is in short supply, so again, how is it me that needs help? Your the only person on this board that would take TO over Vjax. Being different doesn't always mean your right.
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your agument is cuz he 3 inches taller and speed, really so T.O. dont got speed cuz he is old? I guess you dont T.O. takes care of him self, and I remember to get a touchdown in the NFL you have to have speed. Didnt our secondary chase down V Jax after his catches when we played them? Look at the tape. tell me what you see? And following what the census says doesnt mean your right either. When did I say you need help? You implyed that I need help cuz I didnt jump on the V Jax bandwagon. Let just to agree to disagree. And leave it at that.

[grape drank]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1328901545' post='991433']

your agument is cuz he 3 inches taller and speed, really so T.O. dont got speed cuz he is old? I guess you dont T.O. takes care of him self, and I remember to get a touchdown in the NFL you have to have speed. Didnt our secondary chase down V Jax after his catches when we played them? Look at the tape. tell me what you see? And following what the census says doesnt mean your right either. When did I say you need help? You implyed that I need help cuz I didnt jump on the V Jax bandwagon. Let just to agree to disagree. And leave it at that.
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Alrighty haha, but even if they were the same WR. Financially its smarter to invest in the younger one, TO is 10 years older than V Jax, and our secondary is incredibly fast. Also, that 3 inches means a lot when you also have Vjax's vertical, he is an icnredible Goal Line threat. His numbers are good with Phil, but they could be good with Flacco as well. Cam's offence is designed around having big tall WR"s but we don't have anyone over 6'2".

height Is not the only reason VJax is better but its something he brings to the table. But as you said lets agree to disagree....even though I'm clearly right lol

[Marc2k6]

T.O.? A lot of Ravens fans are still mad at T.O. for not coming to the Ravens in 2004 but what WR would really want to play football with Boller as your QB?

[Crabcakes&Football]

N.O to T.O. We drafted the guy who will be the best WR on our team next year. Let's keep it up and find the next Torrey Smith. TO is a washed up old hack.