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[Ravenslifer]

ravensfan520, on 08 February 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

But we won it ALL in 2000 with just an average qb good te and great running back... and of course one of the greatest defenses of all time. Pats Packers Saints Lions... all pass happy teams very little running game where was there superbowl this year. The Giants won based on great defense and a qb who makes throws no one else would try. Even the steelers are trying to go back to the running game they stopped using this year.

Oh and the Jags and Vikes had qbs that shouldnt even be starting. Also with Shaub at qb the outcome for the Texans may have been different. Our defense won that game not the offense. Plus didnt the jags beat us with just a running back.

12 years ago we won it. 10 years ago the Bucs did the same thing. Nobody has done it since. Since the Bucs won, it's been the Patriots twice - Brady was outstanding in the Superbowl, the Steelers -Ben didn't play well in the Superbowl but played well in the games leading up to it, Colts -Peyton, Giants -Eli went on a tear, Steelers -Ben played well, Saints - Brees, Packers - Rodgers, Giants - Eli again. If the Superbowl could be won with subpar quarterback play, the Jets would have at least gotten there twice - they had the top defense and one of the top rushing attacks in the NFL 2 years in a row. But they didn't, Peyton Manning knocked them out then Roethlisberger knocked them out in two straight AFCCGs. It almost came true again this year - Flacco outplayed Brady and threw the game-winning pass that Lee had stripped. What did Ray Rice do in both playoff games - 2.9 YPC against Houston, 3.2 vs. New England. Ricky Williams did much better but only had 6 carries in both games. The running game in total managed about 180 yards in 2 games, zero TDs. We did not win in the postseason because of the running game, we won the first game because of defense, and the second was almost won on the strength of the passing game.

Edited by Ravenslifer, 08 February 2012 - 07:15 PM.

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Ravenslifer, on 08 February 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

12 years ago we won it. 10 years ago the Bucs did the same thing. Nobody has done it since. Since the Bucs won, it's been the Patriots twice - Brady was outstanding in the Superbowl, the Steelers -Ben didn't play well in the Superbowl but played well in the games leading up to it, Colts -Peyton, Giants -Eli went on a tear, Steelers -Ben played well, Saints - Brees, Packers - Rodgers, Giants - Eli again. If the Superbowl could be won with subpar quarterback play, the Jets would have at least gotten there twice - they had the top defense and one of the top rushing attacks in the NFL 2 years in a row. But they didn't, Peyton Manning knocked them out then Roethlisberger knocked them out in two straight AFCCGs. It almost came true again this year - Flacco outplayed Brady and threw the game-winning pass that Lee had stripped. What did Ray Rice do in both playoff games - 2.9 YPC against Houston, 3.2 vs. New England. Ricky Williams did much better but only had 6 carries in both games. The running game in total managed about 180 yards in 2 games, zero TDs. We did not win in the postseason because of the running game, we won the first game because of defense, and the second was almost won on the strength of the passing game.

To us your jets analogy... they made the afcc 2 years in a row. I blame this year on Rex getting to big for his pants and letting the team walk all over him. Eli before now was considered an average qb who threw 2 many int. Thats the same as us but it it took us 4 years. Oh and Peyton knocked us out... not because of his play but by a redzone int by our qb. So if our passing game is so great and our qb is great where is our ring. The year Brees won his defense smashed Peyton and his no running game. You need balance and even the Giants this year didnt have a 100 yard rusher they did have balance. But I think this has gotten off topic from us signing McNeil.. so ill just move on.

Back to McNeil if we can move Reid to guard and lose Grubbs i would use that money to sign a good center or if we lose McClain we can sign the free agent linebacker from the 49ers or a good backup to Rice. Would be nice to have Lynch.

[GrimCoconut]

ravensfan520, on 08 February 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Back to McNeil if we can move Reid to guard and lose Grubbs i would use that money to sign a good center or if we lose McClain we can sign the free agent linebacker from the 49ers or a good backup to Rice. Would be nice to have Lynch.

I think we address the offensive line in free agency and look to the draft for linebackers, wide receivers, etc. Let me explain why:

Last year Ozzie said he would fix the running game. He did it through free agency by signing Leach. That was his fix for the run game, and it was correct. This year, he will fix our weaknesses through free agency so we can focus on BPA in the draft. He always plays this way. That's why we have a great team.

I also think we fix the guard position organically. We have talent on the roster I believe can fill in for Grubbs. That leaves the center position and a future left tackle. If we don't re-sign Grubbs, we could make a play at a big name center like Chris Myers. Or, we could just draft a center like Blake & re-sign Gurode or Birk. That covers our offensive line.

The only problem is left tackle. Next year is McKinnie's last with us based on his current contract. I'm not sure how long he has left. I believe if Ozzie feels that McKinnie is done after this year, and he has a chance at McNeil and he believes McNeil is healthy enough to play and will remain healthy then I think he will make a serious pay for him.

[Ravenslifer]

ravensfan520, on 08 February 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

To us your jets analogy... they made the afcc 2 years in a row. I blame this year on Rex getting to big for his pants and letting the team walk all over him. Eli before now was considered an average qb who threw 2 many int. Thats the same as us but it it took us 4 years. Oh and Peyton knocked us out... not because of his play but by a redzone int by our qb. So if our passing game is so great and our qb is great where is our ring. The year Brees won his defense smashed Peyton and his no running game. You need balance and even the Giants this year didnt have a 100 yard rusher they did have balance. But I think this has gotten off topic from us signing McNeil.. so ill just move on.

Back to McNeil if we can move Reid to guard and lose Grubbs i would use that money to sign a good center or if we lose McClain we can sign the free agent linebacker from the 49ers or a good backup to Rice. Would be nice to have Lynch.

It's not a question of what a quarterback is considered, it's what he does IN THE POSTSEASON that matters. Case in point, Roethlisberger. His regular season numbers aren't that good. He's only thrown more than 20 TDs 3 times in 8 seasons. Both years they won it all he had 17 TDs in the regular season, and in 08 he had 15 picks to go along with it. But his 2 Supebowl runs he had a rating of 90 or better in 5 of the 7 games played. Last year when they lost, his rating vs the Jets was 35.5 but his team still won because Sanchez couldn't make plays when he needed to, and then he got to the Sueprbowl his rating was 77, while he faced down a quarterback who was playing better in Rodgers who made the plays. Elite or not elite, the only teams that have won Superbowls since the Bucs had a quarterback who made big time plays in the post-season. That is why you can't win it anymore with average quarterback play in the postseason - there are too many elite quarterbacks vying for the title now, and Eli Manning just added himself to the conversation.

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Ravenslifer, on 08 February 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

It's not a question of what a quarterback is considered, it's what he does IN THE POSTSEASON that matters. Case in point, Roethlisberger. His regular season numbers aren't that good. He's only thrown more than 20 TDs 3 times in 8 seasons. Both years they won it all he had 17 TDs in the regular season, and in 08 he had 15 picks to go along with it. But his 2 Supebowl runs he had a rating of 90 or better in 5 of the 7 games played. Last year when they lost, his rating vs the Jets was 35.5 but his team still won because Sanchez couldn't make plays when he needed to, and then he got to the Sueprbowl his rating was 77, while he faced down a quarterback who was playing better in Rodgers who made the plays. Elite or not elite, the only teams that have won Superbowls since the Bucs had a quarterback who made big time plays in the post-season. That is why you can't win it anymore with average quarterback play in the postseason - there are too many elite quarterbacks vying for the title now, and Eli Manning just added himself to the conversation.

The first time Rothlesburger won a superbowl he had a qb rating of 22.

[GrimCoconut]

This thread isn't about quarterbacks--it's about Marcus McNeil potentially being a free agent and the possibility of signing him. This is beginning to get off-topic.

[Ravenslifer]

GrimCoconut, on 08 February 2012 - 11:13 PM, said:

This thread isn't about quarterbacks--it's about Marcus McNeil potentially being a free agent and the possibility of signing him. This is beginning to get off-topic.

I'm still curious as to why they are cutting him. They picked up the Gaither reclamation project, so I'm concerned the Chargers may know something about McNeill we don't.

[GrimCoconut]

Ravenslifer, on 08 February 2012 - 11:38 PM, said:

I'm still curious as to why they are cutting him. They picked up the Gaither reclamation project, so I'm concerned the Chargers may know something about McNeill we don't.

It's certainly a very disturbing thought. I mean, there's a reason they will cut him IF they do. They may not. If they do, I believe we should make a play for him at the very least. Then again, it could be a Peyton Manning cut, in that they have someone they can get cheap (Gaither) who can play well at LT. If they can get Gaither to play LT cheaper than McNeil I see why they would cut him to avoid that 10M bonus or however much it is.

[Alexir]

GrimCoconut, on 08 February 2012 - 11:42 PM, said:

It's certainly a very disturbing thought. I mean, there's a reason they will cut him IF they do. They may not. If they do, I believe we should make a play for him at the very least. Then again, it could be a Peyton Manning cut, in that they have someone they can get cheap (Gaither) who can play well at LT. If they can get Gaither to play LT cheaper than McNeil I see why they would cut him to avoid that 10M bonus or however much it is.

Yeah I think it's the fact Gaither decided to show up and play. Wish that guy had more drive, he would of been a Raven for life and we would be much better with him.

[GrimCoconut]

Well, it's official: he is a free agent. I for one want us to sign this guy. I think he is worth the risk. If our doctors check him out & he passes our exams (which are said to be pretty conservative) then I feel very comfortable having him on this team. I would cut McKinnie & give McNeil a heavily incentive based 2-year deal. He's still young so he has some years & if he works out we can keep him long-term. It would be one less need on this team.

And besides, he & Grubbs played together before. Maybe we could use that to keep Grubbs lol. Probably not, though. Regardless, I think he could be healthy & be a good addition to our team. I know peoplw will say that because the Chargers cut him he is probably not healthy enough or good enough. Well, I think they cut him because he had a huge bonus due & Jared played very well for them so they want to get him for cheaper than McNeil's bonus would have cost.

[Romo Ravens]

I'm all for signing McNeil. He would be an upgrade over McKinnie, and we can keep Oher where he belongs. Make it happen please!

[ravens rule]

Get him please.

[gabefergy]

McNeil was atrocious last year from what I saw of him. I would not be in favor of bringing him in unless it was on the cheap 3-4M per year.

[arnie_uk]

why did this get moved from ravens talk, hes a FA, isnt that the only reason that manning thread is allowed in ravens talk?

inconsistent modding!!!!!!

[GrimCoconut]

arnie_uk, on 13 March 2012 - 03:39 PM, said:

why did this get moved from ravens talk, hes a FA, isnt that the only reason that manning thread is allowed in ravens talk?

inconsistent modding!!!!!!

I'm a little confused as well. He's not an RFA or anything nor is this speculation. It was confirmed. We have countless topics about ridiculous RBs but moving a topic about an actual FA LT makes no sense. It should've been moved before, actually. Now I think it belongs in Ravens Talk.

Anyway, I still think it would be a good move to get McNeil. We could have our franchise LT & not have to draft the position. If we get him cheap I love it. That's really the only way I want McNeil is for McKinnie's price, which I find reasonable.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 13 March 2012 - 04:59 PM.