Marcus McNeil Might Be A FA

[ravens rule]

Chargers are expected to waive him who knows maybe we could sign him for cheap since he was injured last year.
[url="http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/feb/07/chargers-have-room-move/"]http://www.utsandieg...have-room-move/[/url].

[Guest RBates]

He's hurt right?

[Jamal]

There must be something seriously wrong if they are willing to waive him considering they just recently invested big money in to him.

[GrimCoconut]

I saw this, too. I'd like to get McNeil if he can play up to his potential. I'd rather have him than McKinnie.

It does sound like something could be wrong considering he was just released after a big contract. Another Peyton Manning.

Also remember that AJ isn't that smart of a GM. That could be part of it.

[grape drank]

Gaither for McNeil? SURE!

[GrimCoconut]

McNeil was due 10M this season. He already got like 24M guaranteed. I think he would be a smart pick-up for us if our doctors tell us he can stay healthy. He would solve an area of big concern for us for sure. I would take a healthy McNeil over Grubbs any day. I'm sure that won't be a popular statement, but I like him and think he can do big things for us.

McKinnie is due $4M I think this year. Even if we signed McNeil for $8M/yr, that would be a great move. Signing McNeil wouldn't count against us for compensatory picks, either.

[JO_75]

It seems they are cutting him in a similar fashion the Colts will cut Manning, due to his health and the fact he has a big bonus due to him. Isn't McNeil also coming off neck problems? I think McNeil can be a good LT if healthy but again, that depends on if he is healthy.

[flynismo]

You don't release a guy like McNeil for no reason. He is probably damaged goods -- a much more expensive Gaither situation.

[H8R]

So, does Gaither now get big money...?

[JO_75]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1328666714' post='988994']
So, does Gaither now get big money...?
[/quote]

Most likley. Gaither now becomes their new Left Tackle.

[GrimCoconut]

I wish Gaither got his big contract last year so we could have benefited from it. Man, I hate Gaither even more now.

[Tyler]

Interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if this turned out to be one of our "splashes" of the off season. At The Right Price, Signing an All-pro caliber Tackle who is still Fairly young Screams Ozzie Newsome. I love these low risk/high reward signings that we've seen from Ozzie. Just Like Bernard Pollard was last season.

[Alexir]

I just wanna say I think it's funny that we can talk about adding a free agent to every position except for QB. If someone made a bring Peyton Manning to Baltimore thread, the person would get flamed. But any other position, and it goes to a discussion. Just think its pretty funny especially since the QB position wasn't great this year and while Bryant wasn't great either he did a very good job losing the weight and starting every game.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328673795' post='989120']
I just wanna say I think it's funny that we can talk about adding a free agent to every position except for QB. If someone made a bring Peyton Manning to Baltimore thread, the person would get flamed. But any other position, and it goes to a discussion. Just think its pretty funny especially since the QB position wasn't great this year and while Bryant wasn't great either he did a very good job losing the weight and starting every game.
[/quote]
The issue with McKinnie is that he is old, and I don't know how much longer he has left in this game. Tackles typically don't play into their 80s like Ray Lewis. No NFL player normally does. The position with the oldest players I think is the quarterback position? I could be wrong. Regardless, it's because we need help on the line. I like McKinnie, but I don't think he's a long-term solution for our team. Just a stop-gap. McNeil could be a long-term solution (4yrs) for our team.

[Alexir]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328673942' post='989123']
The issue with McKinnie is that he is old, and I don't know how much longer he has left in this game. Tackles typically don't play into their 80s like Ray Lewis. No NFL player normally does. The position with the oldest players I think is the quarterback position? I could be wrong. Regardless, it's because we need help on the line. I like McKinnie, but I don't think he's a long-term solution for our team. Just a stop-gap. McNeil could be a long-term solution (4yrs) for our team.
[/quote]
Kicker and Punter oldest usually.

I think the answer is in the draft. Don't have to pay as much in the draft.

[da#1ravensfan]

McNeil has neck issues and is not durable. I would rather have Mckinnie that has not missed a start in his career. McNeil is more talented, younger and athletic but just cant rely on him every week.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328673942' post='989123']
The issue with McKinnie is that he is old, and I don't know how much longer he has left in this game. Tackles typically don't play into their 80s like Ray Lewis. No NFL player normally does. The position with the oldest players I think is the quarterback position? I could be wrong. Regardless, it's because we need help on the line. I like McKinnie, but I don't think he's a long-term solution for our team. Just a stop-gap. McNeil could be a long-term solution (4yrs) for our team.
[/quote]
Kicker?

anyway i wouldnt take mcneil over grubbs. Grubbs is consistent starter rarely injured and shores up the middle of the lines. Mcneil is an injury hazard, will have to play against the best defenses in the league in a division where injury is common.

That being said if we can retain grubbs and get this guy I'd be fairly happy

[redrum52]

Just think about this, they released McNeil and will most likely keep Gaither who we shunned. I'm very good on Marcus, no thanks.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328674246' post='989128']

Kicker and Punter oldest usually.

I think the answer is in the draft. Don't have to pay as much in the draft.
[/quote]
Who are we gonna find with our pick that can step in and play LT?
Ad how in any situation would bringing Peyton manning here be good for our team? You realize we would have to cut half of our team to make cap room for him..

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328674246' post='989128']
Kicker and Punter oldest usually.

I think the answer is in the draft. Don't have to pay as much in the draft.
[/quote]
We need a starting quality tackle now. Not a project from the draft that will take years to develop. We need starting quality players sooner than later and if McNeil can convince our trainers that he's good to go than we should take a good hard look at him.

[Greatness]

[b]NO.[/b]


[size=1]We should have kept Gaither![/size]

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

If the Chargers are going to let him go because of concerns with his neck then I certainly don't see us picking him up on a long term deal.

[Alexir]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1328684728' post='989192']
We need a starting quality tackle now. Not a project from the draft that will take years to develop. We need starting quality players sooner than later and if McNeil can convince our trainers that he's good to go than we should take a good hard look at him.
[/quote]
First of all he probably won't be cut in the first place. Second of all, we don't have the cap room this year. We have our own guys to sign. We will have to stick with McKinnie for another year.

[BloodRaven]

I remember when he was good and Charger fans said he was the closest thing to J.O.

It turns out we gave them the closest thing to J.O.

[Yatagarasu]

Yeah, It's a shame that we burned the bridge with Jared Gaither.

That was our closest chance for a Franchise LT for the next 10 years.

Now we have to settle with gapstop and rotational players.

[H8R]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328673795' post='989120']
I just wanna say I think it's funny that we can talk about adding a free agent to every position except for QB. If someone made a bring Peyton Manning to Baltimore thread, the person would get flamed. But any other position, and it goes to a discussion. Just think its pretty funny especially since the QB position wasn't great this year and while Bryant wasn't great either he did a very good job losing the weight and starting every game.
[/quote]


I think it's funny that you bring up the QB talks in just about EVERY thread.... and then expect people to listen to your drivel....

[GrimCoconut]

It really is a shame what happened with Jared. He has all the potential to be near JO, but the problem is he didn't have the dedication when he was here. He was also getting injured a lot. He has problems with his back, and when it comes to nerve injuries you never know. Yes, Gaither is a great tackle. The problem is he burned his bridge here, the Ravens didn't light that match. I know he looked good last year, but remember he did not play a full season. He may go down again this year with that back injury. I don't think his career lasts beyond 3 years.

As for McNeil, yeah, it sucks that he has neck injuries as well. Those nerve injuries are really bad because of how painful nerve pain is. If McNeil passes our trainers & medical staff, I feel comfortable having him here.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328673942' post='989123']

The issue with McKinnie is that he is old, and I don't know how much longer he has left in this game. Tackles typically don't play into their 80s like Ray Lewis. No NFL player normally does. The position with the oldest players I think is the quarterback position? I could be wrong. Regardless, it's because we need help on the line. I like McKinnie, but I don't think he's a long-term solution for our team. Just a stop-gap. McNeil could be a long-term solution (4yrs) for our team.
[/quote]

The problem with signing mcniell would be we that we would have 5 tackles and only 1 guard if we don't resign Grubbs and no centers.

Oher, Reid, Harwood (ir last year) McKinnie and then add McNiell. Plus Yanda can play tackle. Dont see the logic behind it. If we are going to add more OL it needs to be in the draft unless its at guard or center.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1328713697' post='989332']


The problem with signing mcniell would be we that we would have 5 tackles and only 1 guard if we don't resign Grubbs and no centers.

Oher, Reid, Harwood (ir last year) McKinnie and then add McNiell. Plus Yanda can play tackle. Dont see the logic behind it. If we are going to add more OL it needs to be in the draft unless its at guard or center.
[/quote]
I could see it being McNeil (LT), Reid (LG), Birk/rookie/free agent (C), Yanda (RG), Oher (RT). This would be a good line. We could draft a back-up tackle in a late round. Our only question mark would be center. McKinnie would be cut if we signed McNeil.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328673795' post='989120']
I just wanna say I think it's funny that we can talk about adding a free agent to every position except for[b] QB[/b]. If someone made a bring Peyton Manning to Baltimore thread, the person would get flamed. But any other position, and it goes to a discussion. Just think its pretty funny especially since the QB position wasn't great this year and while Bryant wasn't great either he did a very good job losing the weight and starting every game.
[/quote]

There are maybe 2 guys out there that we could get that would be an upgrade - Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck. Peyton Manning will be 36, coming off 2 neck surgeries in 2 seasons, and would cost a lot of money - that's if he can even still play. We have the 28th pick in the draft - it will take number 1 to get Luck. In a NORMAL draft, we would need to trade at least 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks (what the Falcons did) to even get into the top 10. To get to number 1, even more. For "the best quarterback prospect since Peyton Manning", in the position that we're in, I'm thinking 4 first round picks at the least. Because lets face it, with the team we have now we'll probably make the playoffs the next 4 years, meaning all of our picks would be in the 20s. The Colts would know that, so while they may be okay only asking 2 first rounders from a team like Washington (who always seems to be picking in the top half of the draft), they'd ask for much more from a better team. There are no realistic options to upgrade the quarterback position - taking out Luck, Manning, and RG3 who would be similar to the Luck scenario, we have our choice of guys like Matt Flynn, Kyle Orton, Jason Campbell, and Donovan McNabb.