Merged: FA WRs Discussion

[RavensWin09]

meachem is most logical in my opinion. he is young, has size and speed, but isnt very expensive because he was overshadowed by great talents like jimmy graham and marques colston. i wouldn't think he'd make a fuss over having a 3rd WR role again either.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1331609052' post='1019449']
I don't understand the current infatuation with Wright on the boards. The dude is tiny at 5'10" 190 lbs, and that does not belong in the AFC North. We know Cam's system is supposed to go smoother with bigger receivers yet we're talking about a guy who's at least four inches (and 15 pounds) from being in the right mold for the offense. And that's discounting the fact that he played in a weak division defensively with the second best QB last year.
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I really like Wright. I think he's a playmaker with some good speed who can score if he gets the ball. He creates separation with his speed and has some pretty good hands. I watched a lot of times him catch the ball even if it was overthrown by RG3. I think he made RG3 look better in a lot of ways, honestly.

With that said, if Floyd were there I would want him over Wright. I'm not going to explain that because I feel like it's obvious. Floyd is the best WR in this class in my eyes. Wright's just a talented small & shifty WR who I feel would gain separation rather well with our team and who would put Boldin where he needs to be.

As for him not working in our system, just because San Diego runs the Air Coryell & does it effectively with big & tall WRs doesn't mean it needs them to be effective. You need a WR who can take the top off the defense to make it work, which we have with Torrey. I think having another deep threat WR would help because it would force Cam Camoron to put Boldin where he belongs--in the slot. Boldin has no business on the edge.

Floyd has some good speed, too. So does Childs. They are both tall WRs with some pretty nice hands. I'd love either of them here on this team.

In truth, I could care less about Wright coming from Baylor having RG3 throw to him. I also don't care about his height to a certain extent. I judge a WR by three things: can they separate, can they catch, and are they a playmaker with the ball. Outside of that, the rest is just gravy. Wright, Floyd, & Childs are all three of those things.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1331609052' post='1019449']
I don't understand the current infatuation with Wright on the boards. [b]The dude is tiny at 5'10" 190 lbs, and that does not belong in the AFC North.[/b] We know Cam's system is supposed to go smoother with bigger receivers yet we're talking about a guy who's at least four inches (and 15 pounds) from being in the right mold for the offense. And that's discounting the fact that he played in a weak division defensively with the second best QB last year.
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Wright is roughly the same size as guys like Antonio Brown and Emmanuel Sanders, and both of them look to have a bright future. Him not being over 6'2 doesn't mean he can't be successful in a system based around vertical routes either.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331609494' post='1019462']
I really like Wright. I think he's a playmaker with some good speed who can score if he gets the ball. He creates separation with his speed and has some pretty good hands. I watched a lot of times him catch the ball even if it was overthrown by RG3. I think he made RG3 look better in a lot of ways, honestly.

With that said, if Floyd were there I would want him over Wright. I'm not going to explain that because I feel like it's obvious. Floyd is the best WR in this class in my eyes. Wright's just a talented small & shifty WR who I feel would gain separation rather well with our team and who would put Boldin where he needs to be.

As for him not working in our system, just because San Diego runs the Air Coryell & does it effectively with big & tall WRs doesn't mean it needs them to be effective. You need a WR who can take the top off the defense to make it work, which we have with Torrey. I think having another deep threat WR would help because it would force Cam Camoron to put Boldin where he belongs--in the slot. Boldin has no business on the edge.

Floyd has some good speed, too. So does Childs. They are both tall WRs with some pretty nice hands. I'd love either of them here on this team.

In truth, I could care less about Wright coming from Baylor having RG3 throw to him. I also don't care about his height to a certain extent. I judge a WR by three things: can they separate, can they catch, and are they a playmaker with the ball. Outside of that, the rest is just gravy. Wright, Floyd, & Childs are all three of those things.
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haha couldnt have said it better myself. I would love to have Floyd or Wright, but I think there is a better chance Wright is still on the board at 29.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1331609494' post='1019462']
I really like Wright. I think he's a playmaker with some good speed who can score if he gets the ball. He creates separation with his speed and has some pretty good hands. I watched a lot of times him catch the ball even if it was overthrown by RG3. I think he made RG3 look better in a lot of ways, honestly.

With that said, if Floyd were there I would want him over Wright. I'm not going to explain that because I feel like it's obvious. Floyd is the best WR in this class in my eyes. Wright's just a talented small & shifty WR who I feel would gain separation rather well with our team and who would put Boldin where he needs to be.

As for him not working in our system, just because San Diego runs the [b]Air Coryell[/b] & does it effectively with big & tall WRs doesn't mean it needs them to be effective. You need a WR who can take the top off the defense to make it work, which we have with Torrey. I think having another deep threat WR would help because it would force Cam Camoron to put Boldin where he belongs--in the slot. Boldin has no business on the edge.

Floyd has some good speed, too. So does Childs. They are both tall WRs with some pretty nice hands. I'd love either of them here on this team.

In truth, I could care less about Wright coming from Baylor having RG3 throw to him. I also don't care about his height to a certain extent. I judge a WR by three things: can they separate, can they catch, and are they a playmaker with the ball. Outside of that, the rest is just gravy. Wright, Floyd, & Childs are all three of those things.
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The key with a Coryell is to have 1) a bruising running game, 2) 2 deep threat receivers, and 3) an athletic tight end to dominate the middle of the field. We have 1 and 3, and Lee was supposed to help with 2, but it didn't work out. We need some kind of a deep threat, I feel, to complete the set. Yes he doesn't have to be big (Charlie Joiner and Wes Chandler, the original Coryell receivers, were only around 6 feet tall), but it works the best with big guys like SD uses because they are more effective at running deep sideline routes and winning one-on-one matchups - they don't need to be guys who can make sharp cuts and run sick routes, because their main goal is to be fast enough to get down the field and beat the corner, or big enough to either shield out the corner covering them or to out-jump the corner. Like I said, Wright's speed would make him a fit, but not the IDEAL fit for the system - with the way Cam runs his system and refuses to use multiple receiver sets, I really think if we got him a big receiver to play with, he would. Sadly, that's what I think of Cam i.e. Cam doesn't like smaller receivers like Lee Evans so he won't use them. Cam doesn't like slower receivers like Tandon Doss so he won't use them if he can avoid it. Cam wants a big fast downfield target - I just look at the way we only ever used one tight end when Heap was here, and this year Dickson and Pitta split carries perfectly and the tight ends caught 90 receptions for 900 yards and 8 TDs, compared to Todd Heap who never broke 55 receptions, 600 yards, or 6 TDs (the other tight ends here i.e. LJ Smith and Quinn Sypneiwski, did nothing). I think drafting a guy that fits Cam's system will help. Besides, I'd rather go o-line or defense with the first round pick and see if we can't grab a receiver later in the draft that might be of more value.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='RavensWin09' timestamp='1331609079' post='1019450']
meachem is most logical in my opinion. he is young, has size and speed, but isnt very expensive because he was overshadowed by great talents like jimmy graham and marques colston. i wouldn't think he'd make a fuss over having a 3rd WR role again either.
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I like Meachem too. Him or maybe Josh Morgan (who was SF's best WR before he got hurt) would be nice pick-ups. I also would bring in Reggie Wayne even though he is older, I think he still still has a lot left in the tank and he and Ed have a strong bond.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1331613931' post='1019522']
[b]I like Meachem too[/b]. Him or maybe Josh Morgan (who was SF's best WR before he got hurt) would be nice pick-ups. I also would bring in Reggie Wayne even though he is older, I think he still still has a lot left in the tank and he and Ed have a strong bond.
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Look at my sig.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1331614010' post='1019523']

Look at my sig.
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Yeah, he would make a lot of sense for us. My only concern is he may be looking for a big pay-day and a team like the Redskins might just offer too much to turn down.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1331613846' post='1019520']

The key with a Coryell is to have 1) a bruising running game, 2) 2 deep threat receivers, and 3) an athletic tight end to dominate the middle of the field. We have 1 and 3, and Lee was supposed to help with 2, but it didn't work out. We need some kind of a deep threat, I feel, to complete the set. Yes he doesn't have to be big (Charlie Joiner and Wes Chandler, the original Coryell receivers, were only around 6 feet tall), but it works the best with big guys like SD uses because they are more effective at running deep sideline routes and winning one-on-one matchups - they don't need to be guys who can make sharp cuts and run sick routes, because their main goal is to be fast enough to get down the field and beat the corner, or big enough to either shield out the corner covering them or to out-jump the corner. Like I said, Wright's speed would make him a fit, but not the IDEAL fit for the system - with the way Cam runs his system and refuses to use multiple receiver sets, I really think if we got him a big receiver to play with, he would. [b]Sadly, that's what I think of Cam i.e. Cam doesn't like smaller receivers like Lee Evans so he won't use them[/b]. Cam doesn't like slower receivers like Tandon Doss so he won't use them if he can avoid it. Cam wants a big fast downfield target - I just look at the way we only ever used one tight end when Heap was here, and this year Dickson and Pitta split carries perfectly and the tight ends caught 90 receptions for 900 yards and 8 TDs, [b]compared to Todd Heap who never broke 55 receptions, 600 yards, or 6 TDs (the other tight ends here i.e. LJ Smith and Quinn Sypneiwski, did nothing)[/b]. I think drafting a guy that fits Cam's system will help. Besides, I'd rather go o-line or defense with the first round pick and see if we can't grab a receiver later in the draft that might be of more value.
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To be fair, Evans got his fair share of looks in pre-season and the AFC title game. I don't how often Cam spread the field or how many snaps Lee played against the Pats, but I wouldn't be surprised if he saw a season-high in targets. Cam didn't attempt to work him into the passing attack nearly enough, but Flacco couldn't connect with him on at least three deep passes late in the season too (one was a bad drop on Lee's part).

Evans would have definitely produced more had he not gotten hurt in pre-season.

L.J.; what a signing. As for Sypniewski, he was never healthy again after he tore his ACL in spring of '08.

[TheHalotiMonster]

Pierre Garcon posted on his Facebook, that he is going to a be a Redskin next year.

Link. [url="http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1167287&nid=5981519&fhn=1"]http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=2&cid=1167287&nid=5981519&fhn=1[/url]

[flynismo]

Was he ever on our list?

[Kwothdaraven]

Man i wish the ravens would have went after b marshall

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1331672278' post='1020154']
Was he ever on our list?
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Who, Garcon? Some people talked about him, but I always hate looking at any receivers that come out of places like Indy and New England - New England's system is brilliant, and as talented as some of Manning's receivers may be, I can't forget that he routinely makes guys named Tom Santi, Jacob Tammy, Blair White, Austin Collie, etc. look like they're All Pros for a game or two. Garcon actually had his best season last year catching passes from Painter and Orlovski, but I still don't trust it. Even Mark Clayton had a "break out season" once upon a time.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1331675174' post='1020337']
Man i wish the ravens would have went after b marshall
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Too expensive - we were never going to sign a big name receiver that we had to pay Boldin salary or MORE than Boldin salary for. And giving up 2 third round picks on top of that, I don't think this front office would have been willing to do that. There are lesser free agents i.e. Robert Meachem, Early Doucet, Josh Morgan, that we could get. Besides, this move means that a guy like Michael Floyd could fall far enough in the draft that we trade up for him.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Kwothdaraven' timestamp='1331675174' post='1020337']
Man i wish the ravens would have went after b marshall
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To be honest, I think this is the perfect situation for Marshall. I don't like his attitude & on top of it Marshall just had some stupid drops. In reality, Marshall & Cutler is a perfect reunion.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1331675604' post='1020380'] Too expensive. Giving up 2 third round picks, I don't think this front office would have been willing to do that. Besides, this move means that a guy like Michael Floyd could fall far enough in the draft that we trade up for him.[/quote]
Two 3rd round picks is definitely not too expensive, but his contract is quite hefty. He is also somewhat of a headcase so that wouldnt jive either.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1331677024' post='1020459']
Two 3rd round picks is definitely not too expensive, but his contract is quite hefty. He is also somewhat of a headcase so that wouldnt jive either.
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The contract is what I meant by "too expensive" - I'll make it more clear.

[makaha]

I know this might not be the most accurate thread however the bears traded their 2012 and 2013 3rd picks for Brandon Marshall.

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/7682163/2012-nfl-free-agency-miami-dolphins-trade-brandon-marshall-chicago-bears-sources-say

Who knew that the Dolphins would ask for so little for easily their best threat on their team, and maybe their division. I would have liked this trade to go through for the Ravens despite Marshall's past.

[CorvusCorax]

Losing teams making big splashes. Anyone else notice this trend? See how other teams haven't done much?

I see us waiting out later in free agent madness.

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[itsteekay]

Scout.com reports "several" teams are pursuing free agent WR Eddie Royal in addition to the Redskins, including the Ravens.

[Alexir]

http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/4853/eddie-royal

Regarding the post itsteekay said

[Kwothdaraven]

Mario williams trolled the bills.

If we let benn grubbs go is there anyway we could afford mario williams? We would have a GODLY defense, especially the line. Suggs and williams??

[GrimCoconut]

Apparently we can take Meachem's name off the list, because he's now a Charger.

[url="https://twitter.com/#/caplannfl/status/179783080733716480"]https://twitter.com/#/caplannfl/status/179783080733716480[/url]

Can anyone update the list of free agent WRs?

[ravefan52]

Vincent Jackson to Bucs, Wayne to Colts, Meachem to Chargers, and Garcon to Redskins.

[ravefan52]

Apparently Royal signed with the Redskins too... The receivers are flying off the board!

[Ravenseconbeast]

If Patriots can't get Mike Wallace, they are going to go for Lardarius Webb and dump their dead last 1st round to steelers/ravens. Dangerous territory now.

[jpfath]

What's amazing to me is that Pierre Garcon got 5 years 42.5 million and 21.5 million guaranteed. I'm glad in this case we did not go after him cause once again the Redskins overdid themselves. These teams are so desperate for Wide receivers that they are giving this kind of money to a guy that only has 188 rec 2,519 yds and 16 TD's in his 4 year carrer cmon now. I mean the Ravens got Boldin for what 4years 28 million and he was much more established than that its crazy.

[The Prestige]

I don't watch a lot of non-Ravens football (about 1.5 non-Ravens games a week), but I think Lardarius Webb is 2nd only to Darrelle Revis. The Ravens can't let him go.

As for receivers, if the Ravens don't add Early Doucet, Brandon Lloyd or Mike Wallace, I like Brian Quick, Danny Coale, or Rueben Randle in the 2nd. If the guy they like is there in the middle, I endorse giving up a 3rd to move up and take him.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1331704112' post='1020980']
If Patriots can't get Mike Wallace, they are going to go for Lardarius Webb and dump their dead last 1st round to steelers/ravens. Dangerous territory now.
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I highly doubt Bill Belichick will give away a first round pick. Its not in his DNA. Even if they make an offer, Ozzie will match unless its ludicrous.

[BloodRaven]

Chaz Schilens is still available but it sounds like we're not one of his suitors.