Merged: FA WRs Discussion

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1329444380' post='995972']
Ted Ginn, yeah nothing to jump out of your seat about but this is probably the biggest name wr the ravens will take a real shot at.

[size=5][u][b]Why Ginn makes sense: [/b][/u][/size]

1. He didn't have a huge year for the niners and had an injury that sidelined him for the playoffs (he's not really injury prone, stuff just happens). This equates to a much lower price tag then the rest of this year's "Name" FA wr's. He's this year's bargain wr, you get good value considering the price. This is exactly the kind of wr Ozzie would be looking to add considering how tight cap is this offseason.

2. He's a return specialist! Besides his reasonable price tag, Ginn's biggest upside for us is his return ability. He housed a punt and a kickoff in the same game earlier this year when he was healthy. He's among the top 10 fastest players in the whole league and hasn't fumbled since 2008. After the David Reed debacle in Seattle.. we need a returner who can make plays, but more importantly secure the ball. I think Ginn is our guy.

3. Underrated in the passing game. Ginn can be a weapon if used correctly. His elite speed always makes him a threat to break a big play off when he catches the ball in space. Having 2 wr's that can blow past anyone in the league is a nice luxury. If it weren't for an unnescessary chop block, Ginn would have broke a catch and run for a TD against us earlier this year.

4. Cam did draft him 9th overall in 2007. Take that for what it is but that connection is definitely helpful for establishing a line of communication and luring him over here. I'm sure they have some sort of relationship considering how highly Cam thought of Ginn coming out of college.

[size=5][u][b]Why the other options don't make sense:[/b][/u][/size]

Dwayne Bowe: Price, cap is tight this offseason as we all know. Signing our own guys to long term contacts makes a big splash signing highly unlikely.

Marques Colston: Price, good fit here, I like his size a lot.. just is gonna be too expensive at the end of the day

Vincent Jackson: Price, I think he stays in SD anyway

Mario Manningham: Price, his buzz is high right now coming off that spectacular SB catch. If it weren't for that catch and the Giants SB win I think he would be a good option. Unfortunately since his buzz is so high, his price will be too.

Reggie Wayne: Price, we don't need a short term fix at such a high cost. Just doesn't make sense from any angle.

Stevie Johnson: Price

Desean Jackson: Price


[size=5][u][b]Players that make sense but not as much as Ginn:[/b][/u][/size]

Plaxico Burress: Would make a good red zone target, price is in our ballpark. I just don't think he's a fit with our team.

Brandon Lloyd: Underrated and price isn't too bad. I just don't see a role for him here.

Robert Meachem: I think if the Sainst retain Colston they'll lose Meachem. This kid has game and could find a role on our offense. I think his asking price will just be just a little too high.
[/quote]agree 1000%

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1329444380' post='995972']
Ted Ginn, yeah nothing to jump out of your seat about but this is probably the biggest name wr the ravens will take a real shot at.

[size=5][u][b]Why Ginn makes sense: [/b][/u][/size]

1. He didn't have a huge year for the niners and had an injury that sidelined him for the playoffs (he's not really injury prone, stuff just happens). This equates to a much lower price tag then the rest of this year's "Name" FA wr's. He's this year's bargain wr, you get good value considering the price. This is exactly the kind of wr Ozzie would be looking to add considering how tight cap is this offseason.

2. He's a return specialist! Besides his reasonable price tag, Ginn's biggest upside for us is his return ability. He housed a punt and a kickoff in the same game earlier this year when he was healthy. He's among the top 10 fastest players in the whole league and hasn't fumbled since 2008. After the David Reed debacle in Seattle.. we need a returner who can make plays, but more importantly secure the ball. I think Ginn is our guy.

3. Underrated in the passing game.[b] Ginn can be a weapon if used correctly[/b]. His elite speed always makes him a threat to break a big play off when he catches the ball in space. Having 2 wr's that can blow past anyone in the league is a nice luxury. If it weren't for an unnescessary chop block, Ginn would have broke a catch and run for a TD against us earlier this year.

4. Cam did draft him 9th overall in 2007. Take that for what it is but that connection is definitely helpful for establishing a line of communication and luring him over here. I'm sure they have some sort of relationship considering how highly Cam thought of Ginn coming out of college.

[size=5][u][b]Why the other options don't make sense:[/b][/u][/size]

Dwayne Bowe: Price, cap is tight this offseason as we all know. Signing our own guys to long term contacts makes a big splash signing highly unlikely.

Marques Colston: Price, good fit here, I like his size a lot.. just is gonna be too expensive at the end of the day

Vincent Jackson: Price, I think he stays in SD anyway

Mario Manningham: Price, his buzz is high right now coming off that spectacular SB catch. If it weren't for that catch and the Giants SB win I think he would be a good option. Unfortunately since his buzz is so high, his price will be too.

Reggie Wayne: Price, we don't need a short term fix at such a high cost. Just doesn't make sense from any angle.

Stevie Johnson: Price

Desean Jackson: Price


[size=5][u][b]Players that make sense but not as much as Ginn:[/b][/u][/size]

Plaxico Burress: Would make a good red zone target, price is in our ballpark. I just don't think he's a fit with our team.

Brandon Lloyd: Underrated and price isn't too bad. I just don't see a role for him here.

[b]Robert Meachem: I think if the Sainst retain Colston they'll lose Meachem. This kid has game and could find a role on our offense. I think his asking price will just be just a little too high.[/b]
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Meachem is the guy I really want. As far as Ginn, I wouldn't be too disappointed with him if he comes cheap, but I'd personally rather have a tall wide receiver - if we're going to continue running Cam's system, why not get players that fit Cam's system?

[GrimCoconut]

If we go for a FA WR, then I could see Ginn coming to Baltimore. I think too many teams will want Moss, so I believe his price may be too much. I'd rather we not go to FA & get a WR. I'd rather we get a WR in the draft & see what we got with Doss.

[da#1ravensfan]

Id rather draft a wideout. The receiver class is pretty deep maybe alshon jeffrey or michael floyd falls to us. Brian Quick is another guy we could draft maybe in the third round.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329589691' post='997052']


I will say this for the last time, Wallace has a CHOICE as to who he signs with. It is not the team who throws the most money at him. At the end of the day he still has a choice. He can get offered $10 Mill from us and still walk back to the Steelers under his RFA Tag.
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Dude I said " he would choose which deal he feels is best for him," but in the scenario I chose to award him to the highest bidder. And let's get real he is a young player that has definitely out performed his rookie contract chances are he would take a large pay day or at least force the steelers into giving him a contract extension that is favorable.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329590706' post='997062']




Oh. I was under the impression that it worked like the supplemental draft, where if two teams placed a bid on the same player, the team that offered the higher draft pick(s) was the one signing him - like if we and a team in the teens offered a first rounder for Wallace, since the Steelers would get a better deal from that team in the teens, he would go to them. So pretty much if we're willing to pay the most for Wallace, we'd get him. Not that I'd do it since I think he's going to be paid far more than he's worth with our other needs, but it's good to know that if we really, really wanted him, we could have him.
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Kinda like that. We would have make him an offer he couldn't refuse ( so wallace accepts and signs a tender offer )and the offer would have to be enough so that the steelers choose not to match the offer. If the steelers choose not match it and Wallace signs the tender he becomes a member of the team and they forfeit the draft pick to the steelers.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='da#1ravensfan' timestamp='1329614995' post='997203']
Id rather draft a wideout. The receiver class is pretty deep maybe alshon jeffrey or michael floyd falls to us. Brian Quick is another guy we could draft maybe in the third round.
[/quote]
If Michael Floyd were available I would take him in a heartbeat, Jeffrey no so much. The only other WR i could see us drafting in the first would be Kendall Wright.

[BMORElegacy]

Ginn has stone hands. NO NO NO. Unless of course he's banished to special teams.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYSxJgjjJFc[/media]

[BMORElegacy]

BTW, that football genius talking over the video is none other than good ol' ice water in his veins *rolls eyes*

[DPoke]

Let's kill two birds with one stone: sign Pittsburg Mike Wallace. This will give us a very good young reciever and cripple pittsburg at the same time.Pittsburg can't put a 1st round and 3rd round tender on him. So why not give our first round pick to get this guy. We need speed at wide reciever mike has it, we need experience at wr mike has it, and it would allow boldin to move to the slot. Just picture Mike wallace, Torrey Smith, and Boldin all on the field together, unstoppable.

[bauer77]

Please no to signing Ginn. At least the rest of the guys that are options can catch.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='DPoke' timestamp='1329636370' post='997267']
Let's kill two birds with one stone: sign Pittsburg Mike Wallace. This will give us a very good young reciever and cripple pittsburg at the same time.Pittsburg can't put a 1st round and 3rd round tender on him. So why not give our first round pick to get this guy. We need speed at wide reciever mike has it, we need experience at wr mike has it, and it would allow boldin to move to the slot. Just picture Mike wallace, Torrey Smith, and Boldin all on the field together, unstoppable.
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The only thing stopping such a beautiful sight from happening is the genius that is Cam Cameron.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1329643139' post='997274']
Please no to signing Ginn. At least the rest of the guys that are options can catch.
[/quote]
Drop it like it's hot. You know its bad when the Fins fanbase nicknamed the guy Clifford Franklin.

[sflegend89]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1329643145' post='997275']
The only thing stopping such a beautiful sight from happening is the genius that is Cam Cameron.
[/quote]

..And the fact that there's a strong possibility that wallace doesn't want to be a Raven. Who knows, he's not exactly captain loyalty but I think he has enough pride in that organization not to go to the "dark side" so to speak.

[steeler hater]

I like Pierre Garcon. Good size, good hands, gets yac. Middle-of-the-pack price, I would think. He might stay in Indy, but if Peyton is leaving he might want to play on a contending team.

[RavensFootball27]

I think Colston is out of the picture because he is a guy who is glorified only in a certain system, so he will most likely resign with the saints. The eagles will most likely franchise Desean Jackson because he is someone the Eagles feel like they cant get rid of. Jackson, Bowe are not going to be going back to their old teams. Welker will stay with the patriots, and steve johnson is a coin flip of whether he stays or goes.

But if the Ravens are looking for a Desean Jackson type player, I recommend waiting a year and pursuing Tayvon Austin out of West Virginia University. He is lightning quick, great hands, taller then Jackson. Honestley he beats Desean Jackson in every category, and dependig how West Virginia does next year (Projected top 10 in nation) he will be a middle to late first round pick.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='steeler hater' timestamp='1329671822' post='997363']
I like Pierre Garcon. Good size, good hands, gets yac. Middle-of-the-pack price, I would think. He might stay in Indy, but if Peyton is leaving he might want to play on a contending team.
[/quote]
His hands are very inconsistent. I'm not a fan of bringing him here.

[Dnyce215]

I like reggie wayne, and all you VJax supporters he has character issues like T.O. and DJax!!!!!! LOL the darnest things people say. SMH

[rmw10]

[quote name='Dnyce215' timestamp='1329942290' post='1000094']
I like reggie wayne, and all you VJax supporters he has character issues like T.O. and DJax!!!!!! LOL the darnest things people say. SMH
[/quote]

Houshmandzadeh. Evans. These older receivers aren't cutting it for us. We need to get younger in the draft, or sign a FA that's still relatively young. Over-the-hill guys don't work in Cam's system.

[JO_75]

[quote name='DPoke' timestamp='1329636370' post='997267']
Let's kill two birds with one stone: sign Pittsburg Mike Wallace. This will give us a very good young reciever and cripple pittsburg at the same time.Pittsburg can't put a 1st round and 3rd round tender on him. So why not give our first round pick to get this guy. We need speed at wide reciever mike has it, we need experience at wr mike has it, and it would allow boldin to move to the slot. Just picture Mike wallace, Torrey Smith, and Boldin all on the field together, unstoppable.
[/quote]

NO! No way am I giving Pittsburgh of all teams an extra first round pick. I would never give any division rival an extra first round pick. I'd much rather take Ted Ginn and keep him on Special Teams for returns only.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1329945475' post='1000142']

NO! No way am I giving Pittsburgh of all teams an extra first round pick. I would never give any division rival an extra first round pick. I'd much rather take Ted Ginn and keep him on Special Teams for returns only.
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i see what your saying, but we have the 29th pick i believe, for the talent wallace has thats a steal. I dont think there is any player that will be in the draft that comes close to him. And i thin our team is far better than pittsburg now, imagine what we would do with wallace. I wouldnt worry at all about giving pittsburg a first round pick. All that being said...i havent even read whats up with wallace, i thought he had one more year?

[A-3000]

Can someone please explain to me why Im NOT hearing about the Ravens being in the hunt for Pittsburgs WR Mike Wallace? Sheesh, whats wrong with this front office? Do I really have to move to Baltimore and run this team for it to get a superbowl, cuz I will. I know Im not the only one that can smell blood out there in Squealer town, and with their lack of cap space and all, we could really hurt them bad if we were the ones to snatch Mike. Besides him being yet a great weapon for Joe to have, why do we not apply pressure when the foot is on the juggular? All Im hearing about is how "other" teams are the ones in the hunt........and to be quite honest, its pissin me off. I mean, seriously, where is the thinking behind NOT being in the hunt for this obvious weapon? Its things like this that make me question if I really want to be a Raven fan. Idiotic things like NOT getting our qb some weapons bother me. Draft of FA, dont matter to me as long as we get him some lineman that can give the guy more than a few seconds to scan the field and also some weapons to throw to. Holysmokes, make a move and pull the damn trigger already.......!

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='A-3000' timestamp='1329954470' post='1000262']
Can someone please explain to me why Im NOT hearing about the Ravens being in the hunt for Pittsburgs WR Mike Wallace? Sheesh, whats wrong with this front office? Do I really have to move to Baltimore and run this team for it to get a superbowl, cuz I will. I know Im not the only one that can smell blood out there in Squealer town, and with their lack of cap space and all, we could really hurt them bad if we were the ones to snatch Mike. Besides him being yet a great weapon for Joe to have, why do we not apply pressure when the foot is on the juggular? All Im hearing about is how "other" teams are the ones in the hunt........and to be quite honest, its pissin me off. I mean, seriously, where is the thinking behind NOT being in the hunt for this obvious weapon? Its things like this that make me question if I really want to be a Raven fan. Idiotic things like NOT getting our qb some weapons bother me. Draft of FA, dont matter to me as long as we get him some lineman that can give the guy more than a few seconds to scan the field and also some weapons to throw to. Holysmokes, make a move and pull the damn trigger already.......!
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oh my god...

[url="http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/45475-merged-mike-wallace/page__pid__996880__st__20#entry996880"]http://boards.baltimoreravens.com/topic/45475-merged-mike-wallace/page__pid__996880__st__20#entry996880[/url]

[VJax83]

[quote name='A-3000' timestamp='1329954470' post='1000262']
Can someone please explain to me why Im NOT hearing about the Ravens being in the hunt for Pittsburgs WR Mike Wallace? Sheesh, whats wrong with this front office? Do I really have to move to Baltimore and run this team for it to get a superbowl, cuz I will. I know Im not the only one that can smell blood out there in Squealer town, and with their lack of cap space and all, we could really hurt them bad if we were the ones to snatch Mike. Besides him being yet a great weapon for Joe to have, why do we not apply pressure when the foot is on the juggular? All Im hearing about is how "other" teams are the ones in the hunt........and to be quite honest, its pissin me off. I mean, seriously, where is the thinking behind NOT being in the hunt for this obvious weapon? Its things like this that make me question if I really want to be a Raven fan. Idiotic things like NOT getting our qb some weapons bother me. Draft of FA, dont matter to me as long as we get him some lineman that can give the guy more than a few seconds to scan the field and also some weapons to throw to. Holysmokes, make a move and pull the damn trigger already.......!
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You do realize the Ravens don't have $60 million in cap room right? They can't exactly do everything. I want them to get another WR threat too but I know they don't have the funds to make a monster splash. I also talked to Aaron Wilson and he said that the Ravens aren't going to make a run at Wallace since Ozzie doesn't like giving up 1st round draft picks. I love Vincent Jackson but I won't stop being a Ravens fan if they don't get him. I guess you better start rooting for someone else my friend.

[RavenNation55]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1329945475' post='1000142']

NO! No way am I giving Pittsburgh of all teams an extra first round pick. I would never give any division rival an extra first round pick. I'd much rather take Ted Ginn and keep him on Special Teams for returns only.
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The thing is that no matter what there going to get another first rounder so why not give them the 29th pick and in return get Wallace. Though I think we should Try to gett Reggie Wayne for a couple years for cheaper then all the other high price recivers. If not hit the draft this year or next.

[steeler hater]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1329695219' post='997558']
His hands are very inconsistent. I'm not a fan of bringing him here.
[/quote]I dunno about that. He caught 70 balls in 2011 from guys not named Peyton Manning. They must've targeted him a lot to still have that many catches, given those "inconsistent hands"...

[scrock]

Reading up about more WRs in the draft and there seems to be quite a bit of the bigger guys like 6'1" to 6'3" up in there, who knows this might work out perfectly for us..the draft is deep in OL, DE, WR, and even LB

I got good feelings about this team and where we are headed, we got the QB and we keep adding youth to both sides so we never get too old, the average age of the team is young

[Purple_ICE 81]

Im eager to see if we in fact make a run for a wr in free agency

[scrock]

[quote name='Purple_ICE 81' timestamp='1330379129' post='1005430']
Im eager to see if we in fact make a run for a wr in free agency
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if we go thru free agency it will be someone who is established as someone who can play at this level but one of those 2nd tier options, not one of the big names....or we could go thru the draft

its easier to draft a WR and have him develop when you have a QB who can get him the ball...i think our failed attempts at drafting WRs is partly blamed on our horrible QB situation we had around here for years....in comes Joe and he make Torrey look great.....Mark Clayton had Kyle Boller...not very fair

[Purple_ICE 81]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1330394478' post='1005791']

if we go thru free agency it will be someone who is established as someone who can play at this level but one of those 2nd tier options, not one of the big names....or we could go thru the draft

its easier to draft a WR and have him develop when you have a QB who can get him the ball...i think our failed attempts at drafting WRs is partly blamed on our horrible QB situation we had around here for years....in comes Joe and he make Torrey look great.....Mark Clayton had Kyle Boller...not very fair
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wouldnt be surprised if they gota decent fa wr