Merged: FA WRs Discussion

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Cville-Raven' timestamp='1329447551' post='996012']
You forgot, Jim Brown is coming in to backup Rice.
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If we're playing that game can we bring back J.O., sign Munoz, Dierdorf, Walter Jones, and Bruce Matthews, too? That would fix all of our offensive line problems

[VJax83]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329447863' post='996018']


If we're playing that game can we bring back J.O., sign Munoz, Dierdorf, Walter Jones, and Bruce Matthews, too? That would fix all of our offensive line problems
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As long as Dierdorf can keep his mouth shut I'm cool with that, I sware his lips are glued to Big Ben's behind LOL.

[redrum52]

Meachum... Meachum.... MEACHUM... I think he would fit the system, has speed, decent size and can move around on the field. I also don't think the price tag would be too high. He is also still relatively young.

[redrum52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329447863' post='996018']


If we're playing that game can we bring back J.O., sign Munoz, Dierdorf, Walter Jones, and Bruce Matthews, too? That would fix all of our offensive line problems
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Omg... You have the link? Ozzie is a genius

[Gordo52]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1329402479' post='995346']
this just in

Ravens will bring in Randy Moss and Terrell Owens, also Jerry Rice and Cris Carter think they DO have 1 more year left...

this could get interesting
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Source?

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

I don't mind Ginn, and might be a good value pick up.

If I had my choices it would be Lloyd first. (this guy can make plays, gets seperation and isn't afraid to go over the middle.

Plaxicco for the increase in redzone scoring. IMO he would equate to more RZ TD's and less FG's.

I expect the Rams to make a deal with Lloyd, he's all they really have currently. They have so many issues I'm not sure they can let him walk even if they draft Blackmon.

[PeRK82]

Didnt even realize it or just wasnt paying attention.

Screw drafted a WR, we can get on in Free agency and my number 1 choose would have to be

[b]. [b]DeSean Jackson (EAGLES) - Jackson might be cheap because of the antics he has pulled this yr, which i think it was more of him not getting along with certain players more than his character.[/b][/b]

[b][b]or [/b][/b]

[b]Steve Johnson (BILLS) ,[/b]

[b]But what makes me reluctant is he has some major Drops, game winning ones at that. ( remember 2010 to 2012 season, he dropped the game winning catch against the STEALERS, which had he caught that ball, the RAVENS would have won the AFC North that yr.[/b]

[b]What do you guys think because i know people want V.Jackson but for some reason i dont think he would be that much of a diff. maker imo.[/b]

[PeRK82]

Oh and Mike Wallace is up too but he is a Restricted Free Agent and i think the PATS are interested in him and we all know the PATRIOTS always get what they want.

[flynismo]

Jackson's ability to get along with others is pretty much the definition of character. Character is how you carry yourself.

Character aside, Jackson is overrated. I'd rather have Torrey. And I'd say that if Torrey and Jackson were making the same salary.

[redrum52]

You're going to get hell for this. No one is going to want Jackson and Johnson has had issues with key drops. I don't think the Bills are letting Stevie go and Desean might get franchised. I would choose Desean from that list due to speed and return ability but cost would likely be high for both. I would rather trade up for Floyd or pick up Meachum.

[XxSizzleXx]

Id be going for Reggie Wayne of those guys listed, dude is clutch and sure handed.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1329507121' post='996498']
Id be going for Reggie Wayne of those guys listed, dude is clutch and sure handed.
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You're not worried about his age though? He'll be 34 in November.

[Ed_Reed20]

I'd rather see what Doss can do than bring in yet another 30+ WR.

[grantkyle2003]

I like eddie royal on the FA list. might be cheap enough and we desperately a return specialist. It will be very interesting in 3 weeks when free agency begins. Winning the north and doing what we do will help draw talent here who want to win a super bowl.

[Cville-Raven]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329447863' post='996018']

If we're playing that game can we bring back J.O., sign Munoz, Dierdorf, Walter Jones, and Bruce Matthews, too? That would fix all of our offensive line problems
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How about LT to play opposite of Suggs LOL

[gabefergy]

I see four possible scenarios that could happen concerning our WR corps. I will list them in order of likelihood.

1. The team stands pat with what we have now. This means keeping Lee Evans, but I wouldnt rule out the possibility of releasing him and bringing him back at a lower price. 4M+ is a bit much for a 3rd WR. I also wouldnt rule out the possibility of drafting a WR in the later rounds that can also serve as a KR. Marquis Maze comes to mind.

2. The team releases Evans and signs a 2nd tier WR with upside like Ginn or Meachem. Personally, I think Meachem would make a lot of sense. He is big, fast, and has good hands, but wouldnt break the bank. Ginn would add to the return game, but I think Meachem is a much more complete receiver.

3. The team releases Evans and drafts a WR in the first couple rounds. There are a lot of talented WRs in the draft this year and if the right player is available it wouldnt shock me if the Ravens pulled the trigger. However, there are other team needs that may need to be addressed in the draft so this seems somewhat unlikely.

4. The team releases both Evans and Boldin and pursues a big name WR in free agency. Releasing both Evans and Boldin would create about 10M in cap room that could spent on a WR like Vincent Jackson, Dwayne Bowe, or Marques Colston. I think this is the most unlikely scenario because there is no guarantee those WRs would be available and it would be somewhat asanine to once again have considerable turnover in the WR corps.

Just a couple more thoughts:

There has been considerable discussion surrounding the necessity of having a legitimate 3rd WR as Cam has been known to stick mostly to 2 WR sets. I would argue that this isnt necessarily true, but only seemed that way this past season because for much of the year we only had 2 legitimate WRs in Q and torrey and it made more sense to have our TEs on the field instead of inexperienced rookie WRs. Once Evans was healthy he saw the field as our 3rd WR in a higher percentage of plays. Also in 2010 when we had Housh as our 3rd WR he saw considerable action, so its not like Cam is unwilling to use a 3rd WR. A lot also depends on the defenses we are playing, and how we can best take advantage of match-ups.

I am also a big proponent of letting Tandon Doss step into a larger role in the offense. I think the full offseason to go along with a year of sitting and learning will help him in 2012. He has a lot of talent and may end up being a solid contributor.

[jdynamite]

On ESPN Adam Schefter had an interesting thought about Mike Wallace being a restricted free agent... He stated that the Bengals, Ravens, or 49ers could ruin the Steelers offseason by signing mike Wallace to deal with a high signing bonus ( because the steelers have major cap issues already they would be forced to either cut many players to sign and keep Wallace thus matching any offer he gets or let one of their best players leave for a late 1st draft pick ).
While Mike Wallace hasn't been discussed here as an option, I like the thought of at least causing driving the price up on him for the steelers lol. I think Wallace doesn't get the recognition he deserves for having played so well the past 3 seasons.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1329445091' post='995980']


Really? I spent too much time for this to get skipped over in 9 page thread. This is basically an article I just wrote, it's a different converstion topic than just a list of FA wr's. We allow 2 sentence threads about cutting Ray Lewis to stay up.. c'mon give me some respect for the work I put in. This is a well constructed breakdown, it be disrespectful to let it get ignored in a long thread.

I like Meachem next after ginn, but you get a 2 for 1 with Ginn. he can be utilized in the passing game but more importantly is a premiere returner. Plus I think Meachem will be a tier above Ginn in asking price.
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This happen to me also recently I wrote a topic about who will claim #2 RB spot. Berry, Allen who would be preferred FA RB possible draft picks. Gave an opinion or two on free agents look up I'm merged into Ricky Williams retired today! I was like man even if someone did discuss it there why would I look in a bye bye Ricky thread to discuss the future of RB position.

By the way, I wanted to bring Ginn after the dolphins cut him because I felt with his return abilities and deep speed Flacco could at least toss a few hailmarys his way and at least get some PIs lol. He would be very affordable...

[Tonymontana45]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1329585729' post='997019']
On ESPN Adam Schefter had an interesting thought about Mike Wallace being a restricted free agent... He stated that the Bengals, Ravens, or 49ers could ruin the Steelers offseason by signing mike Wallace to deal with a high signing bonus ( because the steelers have major cap issues already they would be forced to either cut many players to sign and keep Wallace thus matching any offer he gets or let one of their best players leave for a late 1st draft pick ).
While Mike Wallace hasn't been discussed here as an option, I like the thought of at least causing driving the price up on him for the steelers lol. I think Wallace doesn't get the recognition he deserves for having played so well the past 3 seasons.
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Here is a link to interesting story. I love the idea. I brought it up earlier and everyone said they don't want any Steeler players or he wouldn't get along with Webb. I think both those excuses are BS. We need a talented WR and that is it. Ozzie said he was going after a WR and I personally wouldn't mind trading the 29th pick for a premium young WR

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' timestamp='1329586806' post='997031']
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Here is a link to interesting story. I love the idea. I brought it up earlier and everyone said they don't want any Steeler players or he wouldn't get along with Webb. I think both those excuses are BS. We need a talented WR and that is it. Ozzie said he was going after a WR and I personally wouldn't mind trading the 29th pick for a premium young WR
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If they only tender him with a first, I could definitely see the front office considering making that kind of trade. Although I could also see a team like Cleveland, with 2 first round picks that are both better than ours, or even New England, who doesn't have a field stretcher and has 2 first round picks, making that move before we could.

[Tonymontana45]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329587949' post='997037']

If they only tender him with a first, I could definitely see the front office considering making that kind of trade. Although I could also see a team like Cleveland, with 2 first round picks that are both better than ours, or even New England, who doesn't have a field stretcher and has 2 first round picks, making that move before we could.
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I don't believe it works like that. From what I've read, if two teams offer him an offer, he gets to pick. Pittsburgh can't take the higher team and there is no order. Anyone can offer and he choose if there is more then one.

[Ravens4Real]

Do you guys understand that we are going to run out of money signing our own players? Giving Flacco an $13-15 Mill contract, Rice either the franchise tag at $8 Mill or signing him for about $9-10 Mill, and on top of those two trying to sign Grubbs and our other FA's. The Ravens do not have the money to sign a big name WR to a contract of $10 Mill.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329588471' post='997040']
Do you guys understand that we are going to run out of money signing our own players? Giving Flacco an $13-15 Mill contract, Rice either the franchise tag at $8 Mill or signing him for about $9-10 Mill, and on top of those two trying to sign Grubbs and our other FA's. The Ravens do not have the money to sign a big name WR to a contract of $10 Mill.
[/quote]giving flacco a long term deal will probably make more cap room

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329587949' post='997037']


If they only tender him with a first, I could definitely see the front office considering making that kind of trade. Although I could also see a team like Cleveland, with 2 first round picks that are both better than ours, or even New England, who doesn't have a field stretcher and has 2 first round picks, making that move before we could.
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This yr the highest tender is only a 1st rounder. Adam Schefter stated in the video unlike previous years teams can't use the (1st and 3rd round tender ). And any team can sign him to a restricted contract ( which gives the steelers the chance to match that offer ) if the offer cannot be matched by steelers then the team that made offer would forfeit their 1st draft pick.

Example (the player Wallace would have to be entering the teams with negotations for them to make an offer, and he would sign which deal he feels is best, but in this scenario i chose the highest $$ offer ) if 49ers make bid of 5 yr deal with 15 Million signing bonus
And bengals make bid of 5yrs w/19Million bonus. The higher bid... Steelers would have to match the bengals deal at least to keep him.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329588471' post='997040']
Do you guys understand that we are going to run out of money signing our own players? Giving Flacco an $13-15 Mill contract, Rice either the franchise tag at $8 Mill or signing him for about $9-10 Mill, and on top of those two trying to sign Grubbs and our other FA's. The Ravens do not have the money to sign a big name WR to a contract of $10 Mill.
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Adam Schefter was talking specifically about signing with a high signing bonus to force the steelers into a difficult decision......... Sign bonuses work differently against the cap so his salary would actually be lower than 10M. ( it's almost like having an auction division rivals of steelers could raise the price up on valuable player and if the steelers don't match the offer a young probowl WR would be on a new team ).

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1329588734' post='997043']
giving flacco a long term deal will probably make more cap room
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Flacco has around an $8 Mill cap hit this year. If he gets signed to a $13-$15 Mill contract with above a $30 Mill signing bonus, then I see NO WAY will his cap hit be under $8 Mill. Unless they do some major back loading in which case in a couple years Flacco's hit will be over $20 Mill. Wallace will be looking for a deal with multiple years and big signing bonus. We can't afford it.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1329588893' post='997046']
This yr the highest tender is only a 1st rounder. Adam Schefter stated in the video unlike previous years teams can't use the (1st and 3rd round tender ). And any team can sign him to a restricted contract ( which gives the steelers the chance to match that offer ) if the offer cannot be matched by steelers then the team that made offer would forfeit their 1st draft pick.

Example (the player Wallace would have to be entering the teams with negotations for them to make an offer, and he would sign which deal he feels is best, but in this scenario i chose the highest $$ offer ) if 49ers make bid of 5 yr deal with 15 Million signing bonus
And bengals make bid of 5yrs w/19Million bonus. The higher bid... Steelers would have to match the bengals deal at least to keep him.
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I will say this for the last time, Wallace has a CHOICE as to who he signs with. It is not the team who throws the most money at him. At the end of the day he still has a choice. He can get offered $10 Mill from us and still walk back to the Steelers under his RFA Tag.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Tonymontana45' timestamp='1329588332' post='997039']
I don't believe it works like that. From what I've read, if two teams offer him an offer, he gets to pick. Pittsburgh can't take the higher team and there is no order. Anyone can offer and he choose if there is more then one.
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[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1329588893' post='997046']
This yr the highest tender is only a 1st rounder. Adam Schefter stated in the video unlike previous years teams can't use the (1st and 3rd round tender ). And any team can sign him to a restricted contract ( which gives the steelers the chance to match that offer ) if the offer cannot be matched by steelers then the team that made offer would forfeit their 1st draft pick.

Example (the player Wallace would have to be entering the teams with negotations for them to make an offer, and [b]he would sign which deal he feels is best[/b], but in this scenario i chose the highest $$ offer ) if 49ers make bid of 5 yr deal with 15 Million signing bonus
And bengals make bid of 5yrs w/19Million bonus. The higher bid... Steelers would have to match the bengals deal at least to keep him.
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Oh. I was under the impression that it worked like the supplemental draft, where if two teams placed a bid on the same player, the team that offered the higher draft pick(s) was the one signing him - like if we and a team in the teens offered a first rounder for Wallace, since the Steelers would get a better deal from that team in the teens, he would go to them. So pretty much if we're willing to pay the most for Wallace, we'd get him. Not that I'd do it since I think he's going to be paid far more than he's worth with our other needs, but it's good to know that if we really, really wanted him, we could have him.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1329589578' post='997051']


Flacco has around an $8 Mill cap hit this year. If he gets signed to a $13-$15 Mill contract with above a $30 Mill signing bonus, then I see NO WAY will his cap hit be under $8 Mill. Unless they do some major back loading in which case in a couple years Flacco's hit will be over $20 Mill. Wallace will be looking for a deal with multiple years and big signing bonus. We can't afford it.
[/quote]they will give him very little this year because in the next couple years boldin ray ed will all be off the books. That's almost 20 mil. He may only get about one million salary this year plus about 4 million for the signing bonus relating to this year. Freeing up 2 to 3 mill.

[Romo Ravens]

The idea of giving the Steelers another 1st rounder scares me. But Torrey and Wallace on the outside would be brutal.