Merged: FA WRs Discussion

[scrock]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1328653877' post='988746']
Stevie Johnson won't be back next year with Buffalo because of his antics and not clutch play. So he will be out there. I can see NYJ getting him though. i don't want him.

Bowe might be good but might cost to much. I think we should get a guy in the draft if we really need one.[b] I believe we are fine personally.[/b]
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Well I don't UNLESS the real Lee Evans shows up for this team next year and he'd probably have to take a pay cut to stay around

We need another WR who can be that third option behind Boldin and Torrey Smith....we got speed, we got a possession guy, we need that big body who can just tower over defenders and Joe can just throw it up and he can go get it

RELIABLE hands are a must though...Torrey for all he did was wildly inconsistent all year

[scrock]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1328655700' post='988792']
I rather the ravens just draft a wideout it I think the ravens need to just groom their own wideout like they did with Torrey Smith besides I think Tandon Doss, Laquan WIlliams, David Reed or Even Lee Evans( if he's around) could become special for the offfense next season
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I get it, lets draft a WR..its cheaper...but who says the WR will be able to play at this level? because if we draft one it will be in the later rounds....so chances are we go the free agent route, and get a guy who isnt Top Tier money-wise but someone who can be a solid #3 WR with upside? or a veteran looking to win a championship

How can anyone say we dont need another WR ? Why did we not go to the Superbowl this year? Because a WR dropped the ball....and all year we got inconsistent play from our receivers and TEs...when Boldin was out for the last 2 games I think Torrey was the only WR to catch a ball and he only caught like 4 or 5 passes....WOW do we need another WR

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328690417' post='989216']

I get it, lets draft a WR..its cheaper...but who says the WR will be able to play at this level? because if we draft one it will be in the later rounds....so chances are we go the free agent route, and get a guy who isnt Top Tier money-wise but someone who can be a solid #3 WR with upside? or a veteran looking to win a championship

How can anyone say we dont need another WR ? Why did we not go to the Superbowl this year? Because a WR dropped the ball....and all year we got inconsistent play from our receivers and TEs...when Boldin was out for the last 2 games I think Torrey was the only WR to catch a ball and he only caught like 4 or 5 passes....WOW do we need another WR
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Torrey was a rookie and our 2 TEs might as well have been rookies for all the playing time they saw prior to this season. Pitta had monster hands I might add. Torrey improved significantly with his drops over the season. As for Evans, he had an injury where he lost major playing time and it wasn't a drop IMO. The ball was stripped. The other guys are playing the game as well. Yes, he should have secured that ball for all it was worth but with no lockout and full OTAs and TC there is no reason to believe that there will be no improvement in this area. I am fine with us picking up another young WR in the draft but it is more important that we keep this team as intact as possible than throwing money after a WR in FA.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1328685060' post='989195']
That was a hideous catch in the first video. He was all by himself and he almost let the ball bounce off his chest and onto the ground.
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I agree, that's one of the worst habits for a WR. He needs to be more consistent plucking the ball.

[Yatagarasu]

Offseason only gets you so far, it's actually the ability to execute that wins game.

More Execution = Less mistake!

Dropping the Ball is a mistake!

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1328688221' post='989206']
Just mortgage our future, trade up to get Justin Blackmon and ladies and gentlemen...

LET'S GO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll let the negs do the talking.

Ask the Falcons how that worked.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328713745' post='989335']
I'll let the negs do the talking.

Ask the Falcons how that worked.
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To be fair, Blackmon is a much better prospect than Jones - Jones went so high because of his size. But yeah, it will be interesting to see how the Falcons do this year without a first round pick. The Ravens played that game when we traded our 2004 first rounder to draft (shudder) Mr. Carrie Prejean, and I think it would have set us back even more if Steve hadn't come in 06 and we hadn't gotten Joe in 08 (A/N: I remember we tried to trade up for Matt Ryan in 08 - wonder how that would have worked out)

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1328714254' post='989342']


To be fair, Blackmon is a much better prospect than Jones - Jones went so high because of his size. But yeah, it will be interesting to see how the Falcons do this year without a first round pick. The Ravens played that game when we traded our 2004 first rounder to draft (shudder) Mr. Carrie Prejean, and I think it would have set us back even more if Steve hadn't come in 06 and we hadn't gotten Joe in 08 (A/N: I remember we tried to trade up for Matt Ryan in 08 - wonder how that would have worked out)
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Blackmon is an elite talent and will probably be a beast of a wide receiver. I have no doubts he will immediately impact the team that gets him. With that said, I would only trade up for the next JO

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328714642' post='989344']
Blackmon is an elite talent and will probably be a beast of a wide receiver. I have no doubts he will immediately impact the team that gets him. With that said, I would only trade up for the next JO
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Well Jones was a very good receiver for the Falcons, but it didn't help them because they had a ton of other needs they didn't address. That's my point - yes you will get ONE elite talent, but will that help your team enough to justify giving up 3-4 other quality players? One player never makes or breaks a team. Even Kalil (who will be a very, very good tackle in the NFL for a long time) I don't think is worth trading our entire draft for.

[BmoreRavens732]

Somebody close this please? I guarantee none of these receivers end up on this team... Two reasons; 1. Cost waaay to much and we have more important FA of our own to sign and 2. They all mean alot to there offense and will more then likely be resigned

[Kwothdaraven]

Id love to have stevie johnson. I know he's bit of a case but he's not too bad. He's real young and very talented

[Tonymontana45]

Just read on Rotoworld that Eagles are going to shop around Jackson. I wouldn't mind seeing what they want for him and getting him though a trade!

[jazz1988]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328690417' post='989216']

I get it, lets draft a WR..its cheaper...but who says the WR will be able to play at this level? because if we draft one it will be in the later rounds....so chances are we go the free agent route, and get a guy who isnt Top Tier money-wise but someone who can be a solid #3 WR with upside? or a veteran looking to win a championship

How can anyone say we dont need another WR ? Why did we not go to the Superbowl this year? Because a WR dropped the ball....and all year we got inconsistent play from our receivers and TEs...when Boldin was out for the last 2 games I think Torrey was the only WR to catch a ball and he only caught like 4 or 5 passes....WOW do we need another WR
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I understand where you coming from but this year draft is deep with talented wideouts to the point I cant see the ravens passing up on such talents. In the Joe Flacco era the ravens have constantly have sign veteran wideouts that eventually didnt work out, why not try something different by drafting a young wideout?

I think the ravens can look at how Torrey Smith progressed or late round drafted wideouts have progressed in the nfl and feel comfortable with drafting a wideout in the later round.

[Greatness]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328713745' post='989335']
I'll let the negs do the talking.

Ask the Falcons how that worked.
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Damn, your sarcasm detector was broken. Oh well.

I've stated the only person I'd trade picks for was Calvin Johnson, a proven commodity. And this team is well-balanced where we could afford such a risk. The Falcons with no defense could not. Can't compare a championship contender to pretenders like the Falcons, thank you.

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1328674298' post='989129']
Hey Reggie!

Ed is lonely... He's sorry for the pet snake, so let's make it up by playing together for a super bowl, even though you been there twice.
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agree completely, Evans could develop a special relationship with Joe over the offseason and he's got more to prove to our organisation than any of the guys mentioned by scrock

[scrock]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1328694488' post='989225']

[b]Torrey was a rookie and our 2 TEs might as well have been rookies for all the playing time they saw prior to this season.[/b] Pitta had monster hands I might add. Torrey improved significantly with his drops over the season. As for Evans, he had an injury where he lost major playing time and it wasn't a drop IMO. The ball was stripped. The other guys are playing the game as well. Yes, he should have secured that ball for all it was worth but with no lockout and full OTAs and TC there is no reason to believe that there will be no improvement in this area. I am fine with us picking up another young WR in the draft but it is more important that we keep this team as intact as possible than throwing money after a WR in FA.
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I agree, I think the full offseason will help all those guys..I look forward to seeing Doss and LaQuan mature...Torrey needs to be more consistent and the drops have to stop/drop significantly..if Lee Evans isnt back which is probably going to be the case unless he takes a pay cut we will need to bring in another option...its a passing league, lets upgrade out WR corp as much as possible as long as we can work it into the cap

[scrock]

[quote name='jazz1988' timestamp='1328720833' post='989433']

I understand where you coming from but this year draft is deep with talented wideouts to the point I cant see the ravens passing up on such talents.[b] In the Joe Flacco era the ravens have constantly have sign veteran wideouts that eventually didnt work out, why not try something different by drafting a young wideout?[/b]

I think the ravens can look at how Torrey Smith progressed or late round drafted wideouts have progressed in the nfl and feel comfortable with drafting a wideout in the later round.
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Stallworth was a long shot to begin with and the Ravens knew it...TJ's ability to play just dropped off quicker than anyone thought it would and Lee Evans got hurt...other than those three I dont know what veteran WRs we brought in that we actually expected to produce and didnt...Boldin has been solid...

[Guest Mr. Nobody]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328735002' post='989617']

I agree, I think the full offseason will help all those guys..I look forward to seeing Doss and LaQuan mature...Torrey needs to be more consistent and the drops have to stop/drop significantly..if Lee Evans isnt back which is probably going to be the case unless he takes a pay cut we will need to bring in another option...its a passing league, lets upgrade out WR corp as much as possible as long as we can work it into the cap
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evans called oz the next day after the pats game and asked for help, which tells me he wants to be back and understands that his contract will get renegotiated in order for him to stay with us. both sides will shake hands at $6 mil for two seasons

[RavensDE]

[quote name='acosta227' timestamp='1328639805' post='988338']
Braylon Edwards and Robert Meachem are two guys wo i seriously think could be the big, tall, fast guy we need for next season.
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Both these guys have their flaws and I sort of hate Braylon Edwards but I think he has super talent, will conduct himself like a professional (or Oz won't consider him) and because of his previous issues will come cheap. A professional with talent that comes cheap...Oz finds them. No matter what Oz will make the right call about personalities.

[nyc9192]

The two free agency WR's that I would want are Colston or Wayne.I think they could help us out big time. I would love to get Malcolm Floyd in the draft though from Notre Dame.That cats a beast!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30BHWCTxm3g

[RavensDE]

I find it very unlikely that the Ravens pay bigs bucks for a FA wide reciever. If we get one it's on the cheap. Ozzie likes Boldin so he's not going anywhere. Evans has a big price tag so either he is gone or he restructures for a cheap price. He has alot to prove. Torrey Smith looks great. 1st year WR's don't usually come out of the gates so fast. It usually takes til the second year but Torrey has done well already. I expect him to improve. Laquan Williams and Doss will likely improve but they better for their sakes because Ozzie isn't keeping youth unless they produce. No loyalty to or big investments in those guys.

Prediction: We draft for the best players available. We cut Evans, Reed retires, we resign Rice, extend Flacco, let Grubbs, Johnson and Redding go. In FA we get pro's who can contribute for cheap and don't make a splash. If we do keep a high prices FA it'll be Grubbs.

[Alexir]

We aren't going to be making a free agency splash. We need to keep our own and that will cost us.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1328731314' post='989558']

Damn, your sarcasm detector was broken. Oh well.

I've stated the only person I'd trade picks for was Calvin Johnson, a proven commodity. And this team is well-balanced where we could afford such a risk. The Falcons with no defense could not. Can't compare a championship contender to pretenders like the Falcons, thank you.
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Ah, my bad. I've heard crazy suggestions like that. That's why I wasn't surprised.

Yeah, I would trade up for Calvin. I wish we drafted him. We would've won two Super Bowls at least.

[BMORElegacy]

[quote name='RavensDE' timestamp='1328736955' post='989671']
I find it very unlikely that the Ravens pay bigs bucks for a FA wide reciever. If we get one it's on the cheap. Ozzie likes Boldin so he's not going anywhere. Evans has a big price tag so either he is gone or he restructures for a cheap price. He has alot to prove. Torrey Smith looks great. 1st year WR's don't usually come out of the gates so fast. It usually takes til the second year but Torrey has done well already. I expect him to improve. Laquan Williams and Doss will likely improve but they better for their sakes because Ozzie isn't keeping youth unless they produce. No loyalty to or big investments in those guys.

Prediction: We draft for the best players available. We cut Evans, Reed retires, we resign Rice, extend Flacco, let Grubbs, Johnson and Redding go. In FA we get pro's who can contribute for cheap and don't make a splash. If we do keep a high prices FA it'll be Grubbs.
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Reed isn't retiring.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1328638322' post='988278']
Ozzie knows we need a WR, but he won't break the bank... V-Jax and Colston are probably out of our price range, but would complement Boldin and Smith perfectly.
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I'm seeing more of V. Jax moreso than Colston. As Ozzie puts it best, right player right price.

It's all going to come down to who are we going to keep and who are we going to let go and how much cap room we have left.

Then there's the other question, What will Cam do with a FA WR? Boldin, Smith AND a FA?

... lol

[GrimCoconut]

I'd rather spend our free agent money on the offensive line than a free agent wide receiver, though. I understand the appeal of getting VJax, but would you rather have VJax or Grubbs, or some other offensive lineman out there? I would take Grubbs & Chris Myers both before VJax. We could probably get them both for the salary VJax wants.

As for Colston, I'm worried he looks good because of Brees. I wonder if he would be as good with another quarterback. Quite frankly, I don't want us to take that risk.

I'd rather draft a receiver this year because it's a really nice pool. Unless Calvin Johnson was a free agent and we had money to throw around. Man, that would be nice.

[VJax83]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328757008' post='989969']
I'd rather spend our free agent money on the offensive line than a free agent wide receiver, though. I understand the appeal of getting VJax, but would you rather have VJax or Grubbs, or some other offensive lineman out there? I would take Grubbs & Chris Myers both before VJax. We could probably get them both for the salary VJax wants.

As for Colston, I'm worried he looks good because of Brees. I wonder if he would be as good with another quarterback. Quite frankly, I don't want us to take that risk.

I'd rather draft a receiver this year because it's a really nice pool. Unless Calvin Johnson was a free agent and we had money to throw around. Man, that would be nice.
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Vincent Jackson would be a good fit for the Ravens if the price is right of course. Cam loves big receivers and he loves Vincent Jackson going back to his days in San Diego (I was living in San Diego during Cameron's tenure as OC).

[VJax83]

Vincent Jackson would help the Ravens a great deal.

[Mahatma_Sloth]

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[SideStep77]

Wasn't Lloyd released by the Broncos to the Rams?