Flacco Next Season

[reediddy]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1328754314' post='989897']
As most have said, Flacco has broken out. With the off season to work as well as a new QB coach (a second offensive opinion as well), we should hope to see a lot more happen.
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I hope this Caldwell hire works out as it's supposed to. I always viewed him as more of a defensive minded coach. Though his prior history does have QB coach listed, it was in his first few years coaching

[Alexir]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1328852875' post='991001']

I hope this Caldwell hire works out as it's supposed to. I always viewed him as more of a defensive minded coach. Though his prior history does have QB coach listed, it was in his first few years coaching
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Just to have a guy who can break down the film with Flacco on the sideline or buffer the tension on sidelines between him and cam will be enough.

What interests me is that we never seemed to bring Hue in for an interview. 105.7 the fan was suggesting that they probably wanted to make Cam feel comfortable and unthreatened so they got Caldwell who has never been a coordinator in his history in the NFL which Hue has.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1328852875' post='991001']

I hope this Caldwell hire works out as it's supposed to. I always viewed him as more of a [b]defensive minded coach[/b]. Though his prior history does have QB coach listed, it was in his first few years coaching
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Really? His only jobs have ever been as a WRs coach, QB coach, offensive assistant, and head coach.

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328800044' post='990228']

Some people have blinders on. But hopefully Flacco can get it done in his 5th year...
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Perhaps one should be happy that we have a better quarterback than we have had in the past. And we have a better quarterback than most other teams.

You can always just join another team if you don't like him that much...

[Ravenslifer]

It really seems like the addition of Torrey Smith has changed Flacco's ability to beat the teams in this division. He was able to conquer Pittsburgh and Cinci's cover-2 defense, two things he struggled mightily with. Fix the offensive line and get some more pass rushers in here so we can get more turnovers, and I think Flacco will have an even better season in 2013.

[Alexir]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1328882756' post='991139']

Perhaps one should be happy that we have a better quarterback than we have had in the past. And we have a better quarterback than most other teams.

[b]You can always just join another team if you don't like him that much...[/b]
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Don't dislike him, just don't build him up. Didn't think Boller was good eitehr but didn't switch teams and I think you are foolish for suggesting that just because i think Joe is overrated (mostly because of all of you)

Join another team? Man, that just irks me. I've been with this team from the beginning and just because he is better than any QB we have ever drafted doesn't make him god. Our offense held us back from a superbowl and the offense needs to step up. Starting with Joe AKA the "leader" of the offense. Yeah his receivers need to stop dropping balls and his offensive line needs to block better but you all are so willing to put the Wins as Flacco's achievements you are going to have to put the losses there as well.

He played good against the Patriots but was horrible during the Texans game and I will back Ed Reed's comments before I run to Joe's defense 10 times out of 10 because he is a proven player and that man watches more film than half our team combined.

So don't tell me to switch teams because I am looking at this with my purple goggles off. He needs to release the ball faster, he needs to make better choices with the football and he needs to be consistent. Rolling out of the pocket and extended plays had me giving him an A+ in the Steelers and Pats game. But he doesn't do it consistently and now we are going to give the guy an extension where he will probably be making 13 million a year because he is a" franchise QB" where guys like Ben Grubbs will have to walk because of that.

He better step up his game since his center, guard and left tackle will all be either rookies or old (bryant)

[Alexir]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1328884838' post='991151']
It really seems like the addition of Torrey Smith has changed Flacco's ability to beat the teams in this division. He was able to conquer Pittsburgh and Cinci's cover-2 defense, two things he struggled mightily with. Fix the offensive line and get some more pass rushers in here so we can get more turnovers, and I think Flacco will have an even better season in 2013.
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Yeah I agree. And if he cut his hair who knows how many touchdowns he would of had lol jk

[D-Rey]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328890777' post='991232']

Don't dislike him, just don't build him up. Didn't think Boller was good eitehr but didn't switch teams and I think you are foolish for suggesting that just because i think Joe is overrated (mostly because of all of you)
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Well I think he is underrated by some people on here and the media. Is he elite, not yet. But he is a top ten QB in my book. There aren't many QBs in the league I would want over him. Btw about him not having two superbowls, if our WR were clutch like MR. Elite Eli Manning (rolls eyes) than maybe Joe would have two as well.

[callahan09]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1328852875' post='991001']

I hope this Caldwell hire works out as it's supposed to. I always viewed him as more of a defensive minded coach. Though his prior history does have QB coach listed, it was in his first few years coaching
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What are you talking about? Jim Caldwell has never been a defensive minded coach, he's always coached offense.

And what do you mean that "QB coach is listed, in his first few years"? He had the position of QB Coach for 16 out of 35 years coaching, including 2012 with the Ravens. That includes a stint from 2001 to 2008 with the Colts, before he became their head coach in 2009. The rest of his experience, from earlier in his coaching career, was as a Wide Receivers Coach.

[gabefergy]

If by "breaking out" you mean better numbers, I think we will see that. In my opinion Joe has progressed each year even though last year he was not as good statistically, there are a lot of improvements I saw that dont necessarily show up in the box score. For the first time I could say with full confidence that Joe is capable of leading the team on a game-winning drive when it mattered. We saw that in Pittsburgh and we saw it again against NE. He stepped up when we needed him to the most.

Next year with better chemistry, a full offseason, and more experienced receivers I do believe Joe will put up the numbers I expected out of him this year, 4,000+ yards, 25+ TDs and a higher comp%. Of course a lot will depend on Cam's play-calling and if he is capable of calling a balanced offensive attack. He needs to learn how to stay aggressive when we have a lead, and not regress to the predictable run-run-pass that stalled our offense in so many second halves last season.

[reediddy]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1328854230' post='991032']

Really? His only jobs have ever been as a WRs coach, QB coach, offensive assistant, and head coach.
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You're right, I just checked again. Don't know how I thought that. My bad

[reediddy]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1328892190' post='991263']
What are you talking about? Jim Caldwell has never been a defensive minded coach, he's always coached offense.

And what do you mean that "QB coach is listed, in his first few years"? He had the position of QB Coach for 16 out of 35 years coaching, including 2012 with the Ravens. That includes a stint from 2001 to 2008 with the Colts, before he became their head coach in 2009. The rest of his experience, from earlier in his coaching career, was as a Wide Receivers Coach.
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Yes I know I just admitted to my mistake in another post lol, don't know where I got that from. Must've been thinking someone else

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1328897561' post='991360']

You're right, I just checked again. Don't know how I thought that. My bad
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Good thing about it though, is Tony Dungy seems to think it's an excellent move, and I have a ton of respect for Dungy as a talent/personnel evaluator and coach.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328891723' post='991256']
Yeah I agree. And if he cut his hair who knows how many touchdowns he would of had lol jk
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Lol I remember after that game where the guy pulled his dread out someone made a thread titled "Torrey cut your hair."

[DWplayer]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328890777' post='991232']
Don't dislike him, just don't build him up. Didn't think Boller was good eitehr but didn't switch teams and I think you are foolish for suggesting that just because i think Joe is overrated (mostly because of all of you)

Join another team? Man, that just irks me. I've been with this team from the beginning and just because he is better than any QB we have ever drafted doesn't make him god. Our offense held us back from a superbowl and the offense needs to step up. Starting with Joe AKA the "leader" of the offense. Yeah his receivers need to stop dropping balls and his offensive line needs to block better but you all are so willing to put the Wins as Flacco's achievements you are going to have to put the losses there as well.

He played good against the Patriots but was horrible during the Texans game and I will back Ed Reed's comments before I run to Joe's defense 10 times out of 10 because he is a proven player and that man watches more film than half our team combined.

So don't tell me to switch teams because I am looking at this with my purple goggles off. He needs to release the ball faster, he needs to make better choices with the football and he needs to be consistent. Rolling out of the pocket and extended plays had me giving him an A+ in the Steelers and Pats game. But he doesn't do it consistently and now we are going to give the guy an extension where he will probably be making 13 million a year because he is a" franchise QB" where guys like Ben Grubbs will have to walk because of that.

He better step up his game since his center, guard and left tackle will all be either rookies or old (bryant)
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Very well said and every word 100% correct. Nailed it. Plus he REALLY needs to lose the fu manchu.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328890777' post='991232']
Don't dislike him, just don't build him up. Didn't think Boller was good eitehr but didn't switch teams and I think you are foolish for suggesting that just because i think Joe is overrated (mostly because of all of you)

Join another team? Man, that just irks me. I've been with this team from the beginning and just because he is better than any QB we have ever drafted doesn't make him god. Our offense held us back from a superbowl and the offense needs to step up. Starting with Joe AKA the "leader" of the offense. Yeah his receivers need to stop dropping balls and his offensive line needs to block better but you all are so willing to put the Wins as Flacco's achievements you are going to have to put the losses there as well.

[b]He played good against the Patriots but was horrible during the Texans game[/b] and I will back Ed Reed's comments before I run to Joe's defense 10 times out of 10 because he is a proven player and that man watches more film than half our team combined.

So don't tell me to switch teams because I am looking at this with my purple goggles off. He needs to release the ball faster, he needs to make better choices with the football and he needs to be consistent. Rolling out of the pocket and extended plays had me giving him an A+ in the Steelers and Pats game. But he doesn't do it consistently and now we are going to give the guy an extension where he will probably be making 13 million a year because he is a" franchise QB" where guys like Ben Grubbs will have to walk because of that.

He better step up his game since his center, guard and left tackle will all be either rookies or old (bryant)
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Joe really did not play that poorly against the Texans. Even an impartial observer like Ron Jaworski went back and graded every one of Joe's dropbacks and gave him 3 negative plays for the entire game. The offensive line played terrible and the receivers dropped a lot of balls that killed drives. He played well against the Pats? I think that is a bit of an understatement. He consistently found the open receiver and moved the offense. I know the Pats defense isnt great, but their Dline was getting consistent pressure and he still made plays.

I understand that you arent sold on him completely, and nothing I say is going to change that but you have to admit he has done more than enough to prove he should be our QB moving forward.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1328602110' post='987950']
He's already broken out. We have already labeled him as our Franchise QB. I have my doubts, but I have absolute faith that Flacco can carry this team. The Weapon X we all been looking for will soon be revealed.
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If Flacco had Cruz,Nicks and Mannighham he would easily be an elite qb. You need weapons. Q on the outside doesnt cut it ,He should be in the slot.If Torrey hadnt stepped up we would not have gone as far as we did anyway. We need more receiver weapons bad and a better o line. By the way, our o-line aint even close to the Giants o-line.

[Alexir]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1328911944' post='991558']
Joe really did not play that poorly against the Texans. Even an impartial observer like Ron Jaworski went back and graded every one of Joe's dropbacks and gave him 3 negative plays for the entire game. The offensive line played terrible and the receivers dropped a lot of balls that killed drives. He played well against the Pats? I think that is a bit of an understatement. He consistently found the open receiver and moved the offense. I know the Pats defense isnt great, but their Dline was getting consistent pressure and he still made plays.

I understand that you arent sold on him completely, and nothing I say is going to change that but you have to admit he has done more than enough to prove he should be our QB moving forward.
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To be our starting qb? Absolutely. To get paid 13 million a year....not so fast.

[Alexir]

From Keyshawn's bums to the Forum's bums. Will any receiving corps please you people? lol

Also, anyone have any input on Flacco's under pressure rating? I knew he was bad under pressure but not Blaine Gabbert bad. Guess Beltway Joe will have to be his new name because Joe Cool just doesn't seem right.

[steeler hater]

So whaddaya want to do? You keep yakkin' about everyone overratting Joe, that he's not in the top tier of qb's, that he's gotta "step up his game", etc. Joe and "his offense" is the only reason. What's your solution?

[CapoRocky]

I hope Joe enjoys his offseason and his family life. Let him go to Arizona and throw to Pitta a few times if he gets bored. Dickson needs to buy a juggs machine. Evans needs to move to Tampa Bay where no one will notice his lack of production. Hopefully, they will give us at least a 4th rounder for him. Spring will be here soon enough.

[Alexir]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1328929987' post='991726']
I hope Joe enjoys his offseason and his family life. Let him go to Arizona and throw to Pitta a few times if he gets bored. Dickson needs to buy a juggs machine. Evans needs to move to Tampa Bay where no one will notice his lack of production. Hopefully, they will give us at least a 4th rounder for him. Spring will be here soon enough.
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We don't judge our players from one play. Yes, he was ineffective all year due to an injury but I do recall a certain guy named Lee Evans making a sick one handed catch vs the Texans...

[CapoRocky]

Evans lack of production due to his injury was a far greater detriment to the team than his failure to hold on to the winning TD catch in NE. If he would have caught a few more balls, then we would have been the first seed in the playoffs. At home, we would have probably beaten the Pats by 7 to 10 points due to the crowd noise effect.

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328929309' post='991721']
From Keyshawn's bums to the Forum's bums. Will any receiving corps please you people? lol

Also, anyone have any input on Flacco's under pressure rating? I knew he was bad under pressure but not Blaine Gabbert bad. Guess Beltway Joe will have to be his new name because Joe Cool just doesn't seem right.
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Please don't even talk about PFF, the formulas they concoct are borderline insane. They had the gall to say Matt Birk was as good as, or better than, Mangold last year...

See Flacco's performance against the Pats and Steelers for his "under pressure rating". Our OL was dominated in New England.

[DWplayer]

[quote name='steeler hater' timestamp='1328929526' post='991722']
So whaddaya want to do? You keep yakkin' about everyone overratting Joe, that he's not in the top tier of qb's, that he's gotta "step up his game", etc. Joe and "his offense" is the only reason. What's your solution?
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Just stating the facts Bro......Relax.

[Alexir]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1328972557' post='991885']

Please don't even talk about PFF, the formulas they concoct are borderline insane. They had the gall to say Matt Birk was as good as, or better than, Mangold last year...

See Flacco's performance against the Pats and Steelers for his "under pressure rating". Our OL was dominated in New England.
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3 games out of 18 doesn't make him great. He showed a level head in those 3 games but follows it up with a lack of consistency under pressure.

[berad]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328983034' post='991982']
3 games out of 18 doesn't make him great. He showed a level head in those 3 games but follows it up with a lack of consistency under pressure.
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I didn't say he is great but he's pretty good. For all of his faults, his pros vastly outweigh them. He must've hoodwinked Bisciotti, Newsome, DeCosta, and Harbaugh too because they're talking about signing him to a long-term deal.

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1328616173' post='987975']
A full training camp with all his young recievers will help a lot. He's already broken out, but he's about to do it again.
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True, just look at how good Pitta turned out in his 2nd year so Torey and the other young WRers (if Cam uses them) should be ready in Sept.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328938333' post='991779']but I do recall a certain guy named Lee Evans making a sick one handed catch vs the Texans...
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Yep, the same guy that dropped a TD against Cincy and cost us a trip to the SB despite an amazing pass from our mediocre QB.

[Alexir]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1328997828' post='992124']

Yep, the same guy that dropped a TD against Cincy and cost us a trip to the SB despite an amazing pass from our mediocre QB.
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I wouldn't call that pass amazing by any count, it was ur basic run of the mill pass to the back of the endzone. Got it where it needed to be though. As for Lee, he didn't drop the pass, it was stripped......go back and watch the game.