Flacco Next Season

[Ray Ray Ravens]

I think Flacco will have a break out year next season. Another year under his belt with alot of not so new names anymore. The chemistry can be here next year with the talent and veterans we have. Boldin, Smith, Evans, Pitta, Dickson and Rice. I hope Rice doesnt get targeted on as many pass plays this year. Confuse the opposing D. Evans if he is still here will produce for this team. Him and Smith will put Boldin in his comfortable area. Making him productive too. Hopefully we are balanced with alot of people touching the ball on offense. I would like to use the whole field and make everyone a factor to make defenses thin. I cant wait for next year. Its gonna be special!

[Yatagarasu]

He's already broken out. We have already labeled him as our Franchise QB. I have my doubts, but I have absolute faith that Flacco can carry this team. The Weapon X we all been looking for will soon be revealed.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1328602110' post='987950']
He's already broken out. We have already labeled him as our Franchise QB. I have my doubts, but I have absolute faith that Flacco can carry this team. The Weapon X we all been looking for will soon be revealed.
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We as fans know hes doing it and can do it. Im talking about the breakout season he is looking for. The one where he dont have to defend himself whenever a reporter is around.

[Purple Nurple]

It's year 5. He's broken out. He's our guy and I'm happy. Hopefully people will stop dropping great passes.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

He doesn't need to "break out", just play like we know he can on a consistent basis.

[BmoreRavens732]

To any hater or supporter hes already literally proven he can get us to the superbowl and thats all we need to know and now we do...if so many passes werent dropped his stats would of looked so much better...btw if people criticize joe for only 20TD's and 12int's and 3600yds why not big ben for only 21TD's and 14int's and 4000yds? not to big a difference and plus joe went farther then ben and you cant say joes defense carried him cuz the same can be said for ben and the number 1 ranked D...if so many people claim big bens elite then whats that make flacco?

[Ravenslifer]

The question is consistency, and I think the major causes of the inconsistency were 1) all of the new targets he'd never thrown to in a game before, 2) the constant state of fluctuation of the offensive line, and 3) the lack of a full offseason to get on the same page with his receivers. He'll have a full offseason to work with his guys and any new guys that we bring in, and Ozzie already said the o-line would be a major focus during this offseason.

[Gordo52]

A full training camp with all his young recievers will help a lot. He's already broken out, but he's about to do it again.

[da#1ravensfan]

Joe Flacco will improve tremendously next year even though he already has be great for us. By him working with his receivers in a full training camp to work with his receivers and with Jim Caldwell, he will be much better. Still need his offensive supporting cast (outside of Rice) to help him though.

[Ravenslifer]

The other things you do have to consider is competition. His first few years in the league, the Browns had a terrible pass defense. But now with Joe Haden breaking out and some of the other young players they have, they've gotten much better in that area. Cinci was always his Achilles heel, but with JJ in Houston and cover 2 beaters in Torrey and Lee if he's back, Joe will have more success against them. I'm not going to say Joe has conquered the Steelers yet, but he certainly has much more confidence going into games against them. Next year will be interesting though, since we play the NFC East and the AFC West, meaning San Diego once again. Since we have the first place schedule we will get both the Patriots and the Texans again - the Texans will be difficult if Wade Philips is still their D coordinator, but if he somehow gets a HC position, maybe they fall off again. Still, both games will be incredibly tough. But I see us going at least 4-2 in the division, more likely 5-1. I think we match up well with all of the AFC West teams except San Diego. So really it will come down to how much chemistry is developed with the offense, what pieces we can add i.e. offensive linemen, but I definitely think, numbers wise, Joe will be better next season than he was this season.

[IMissMattStover]

Im sorry, but saying Joe has broken out is just nasty sounding. Cant we say he is performing at a fairly consistent. high level?

[CapoRocky]

Joe is as tough as QBs come. He rarely complains and gets the job done. I have really looked forward to seeing how he responds to the loss next year. We need to beat some good teams on the schedule. I hope we don't take the weaker teams lightly again. Home field advantage would have won the Patriots game.

[scrock]

I actually think Joe will have a BOUNCE back year, because he has been good, its not like we are waiting for him to play well

I think the offense wont be so inconsistent, meaning I think the WR position will be much better heading into next year, the young guys will have a year under their belts...Pitta will break out next year tho

Flacco's statline next year - 4,000 yds, 30 TDs, 10 INTs

[callahan09]

3633 Yards, 28 TDs, 9 INTs, 63.1% Completion Percentage, 30 Sacks / 288 Yards Lost, 6 Fumbles, 3 Lost, 71 Rush, 204 Yards, 3 TDs.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1328633936' post='988164']
3633 Yards, 28 TDs, 9 INTs, 63.1% Completion Percentage, 30 Sacks / 288 Yards Lost, 6 Fumbles, 3 Lost, [b]71 Rush, 204 Yards[/b], 3 TDs.
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That's a lot of rushing yards. You think Cam will finally wise up and realize Joe is actually a real threat to run?

[callahan09]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1328634096' post='988168']

That's a lot of rushing yards. You think Cam will finally wise up and realize Joe is actually a real threat to run?
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I saw a lot of good in Joe's scrambling ability in the AFCCG. I think we see more of it next season, as well as more rollouts and throws on the move.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1328601942' post='987949']
I think [u][b]Flacco will have a break out year next season[/b][/u]. Another year under his belt with alot of not so new names anymore. The chemistry can be here next year with the talent and veterans we have. Boldin, Smith, Evans, Pitta, Dickson and Rice. I hope Rice doesnt get targeted on as many pass plays this year. Confuse the opposing D. Evans if he is still here will produce for this team. Him and Smith will put Boldin in his comfortable area. Making him productive too. Hopefully we are balanced with alot of people touching the ball on offense. I would like to use the whole field and make everyone a factor to make defenses thin. I cant wait for next year. Its gonna be special!
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after 5 years...there is nothing to break out of. Flacco needs dependable receivers that know how to make plays when the plays need to be made! he is our dude! period! now....in my Deion Sanders flare....."help the man!" lol!

~Mili

[Raving_Heathen]

If you mean "break out" as in throwing for 35+ TDs and 4500 yards, I don't think that will ever happen with Cameron's bipolar play calling and the team being so heavily defensively oriented. Both Tim Hasselbeck and Trent Dilfer have recently said (in talking about QBs like Joe Flacco and Alex Smith) that being on a defensive-oriented team is both a blessing and a huge curse. The blessing is obvious (you win a lot of games), but the curse is that every mistake you make is magnified 10x's. Why? Because on a defensive-oriented team, the QB is relegated to a game manager by default, and as a game manager, you're not allowed to make mistakes. When you throw for 350-400 yards and 2-3 TDs a game and you throw a couple picks, those picks get buried. But when you throw for 220 yards and 1-2 TDs, and you throw a single INT, you're the scapegoat because of that one INT. I think until guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retire, Flacco will never have a true opportunity to put up big stats on a consistent basis. Those guys still run the show, and I think with one hand they might be patting him on the back saying, "Go gettem tiger," but with the other hand, they've got Flacco by the man-bits letting him know he'd better not mess things up for them. And as Hasselbeck and Dilfer both said, it's hard to QB when you're under that kind of pressure.

[Ed_Reed20]

Paraphrasing what KVV said in his last "Five Things..." column([img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sad.png[/img]), Joe doesn't need to put up video game numbers. He simply has to become more consistent with his quality play.

Hoping we see more of the QB we saw against the Steelers and Pats than the QB we saw against the Jags, Seahawks and Jets.

[IMissMattStover]

I think this coming year will be a surprising and astoundingly good year for Joe.

[SideStep77]

I think Jim Caldwell will definitely be a good influence on Flacco, rather than Cam.

[IMissMattStover]

Maybe he will counteract Cam. I would like to see Joe get more in the way of the Playcaller role.

[scrock]

[quote name='IMissMattStover' timestamp='1328638135' post='988274']
I think this coming year will be a surprising and astoundingly good year for Joe.
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So do I because guys like Torrey Smith, Pitta, Dickson will all be better this coming year because they have gone through a whole season and they will have a real offseason, plus whoever Ozzie brings in....I think Joe improved this year but it didn't show statistically

[PerpetuallyBored74]

Depending on if we retain Grubbs/draft an NFL ready center or keep Gurode and he plays decently, our O-line will either be the same, worse or slightly better.

If it's worse, will Cam adjust his playcalling and send the receivers on quicker, shorter routes with Joe getting the ball out quicker on 3 and 5 step drops? And will the WR's be Boldin, Evans & Torrey or Boldin, Torrey & ???.

You'd expect Pitta will be the starter over Dickson, but you'd have expected the same by the midpoint of this past season.

There are just too many unknowns to make any predictions about Flacco right now.

And as much as I hate to say it, I think we've seen the ceiling on Cameron and his Air Coryell.
I fear the only way it will improve is if our offensive talent improves.
And in the salary cap era, how is that realistically feasible?...WITHOUT weakening our defensive talent?

[cursona pirate]

I believe he throws 25+ touchdowns next year if Cam decides to let that happen.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1328645735' post='988544']
I believe he throws 25+ touchdowns next year if Cam decides to let that happen.
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Between under/over-throws and drops, he could have eclipsed 25 TDs this past season.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1328646442' post='988568']

Between under/over-throws and drops, he could have eclipsed 25 TDs this past season.
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This offseason he will be able to work with Dickson, Pitta, and Smith. They should connect even better this year. Dickson needs to catch.

[TDubbs]

Joe Flacco is going to have huge season next year, I believe it 100%. A fire has been lit under Joe and we saw him speak up for himself to the media, this is the best thing to happen to him in his career. This is motivation for him to study film and do everything possible to be a top flight QB and I know he will.

People look at Jim Caldwell as if he did nothing and just watched Manning do his thing .. But I feel that to be good because Caldwell has been around the one of the best QBs ever, He must have learned a ton. I feel he can offer advice or knowledge that he gained from Peyton that can help Joe with the little things, or even chip in on play designs.

[raybaby]

[quote name='Raving_Heathen' timestamp='1328637693' post='988263']
If you mean "break out" as in throwing for 35+ TDs and 4500 yards, I don't think that will ever happen with Cameron's bipolar play calling and the team being so heavily defensively oriented. Both Tim Hasselbeck and Trent Dilfer have recently said (in talking about QBs like Joe Flacco and Alex Smith) that being on a defensive-oriented team is both a blessing and a huge curse. The blessing is obvious (you win a lot of games), but the curse is that every mistake you make is magnified 10x's. Why? Because on a defensive-oriented team, the QB is relegated to a game manager by default, and as a game manager, you're not allowed to make mistakes. When you throw for 350-400 yards and 2-3 TDs a game and you throw a couple picks, those picks get buried. But when you throw for 220 yards and 1-2 TDs, and you throw a single INT, you're the scapegoat because of that one INT. I think until guys like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed retire, Flacco will never have a true opportunity to put up big stats on a consistent basis. Those guys still run the show, and I think with one hand they might be patting him on the back saying, "Go gettem tiger," but with the other hand, they've got Flacco by the man-bits letting him know he'd better not mess things up for them. And as Hasselbeck and Dilfer both said, it's hard to QB when you're under that kind of pressure.
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I completely agree with this. I actually think the older defensive players are the reason Cam is staying. Not because they like Cam as an OC. But because the organization doesn't want to risk a possible off year with a different offensive scheme with the older guys still on the team. They don't want to waste a year of not making the playoffs with them still here. So basically Joe is probably going to be apart of a 'don't screw it up' offense again. He has had a lot of pressure with his limited chances to get them there. You saw them get vocal about Ray Rice getting the ball when things weren't going perfectly which JJ later admitted that the D players really don't know what they are talking about when they get involved. Still Joe is on a team that is defensive oriented and run oriented and I don't think that will change next season. I think his stats will be better in most if not all areas and will actually reflect his level of play more correctly and he will have a good year but I don't think it will be a true 'break out' type of season unless there is some serious self reflecting where their mind set changes... and with the moves they made already... I don't think that is happening.

[Guest RBates]

Flacco will be as good as his offensive line is next season. He needs help there. If we get the right pieces to keep him upright in the pocket, with the receiving core that we have, the sky is the limit.