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[RBates]

Ravenslifer, on 06 February 2012 - 09:56 PM, said:

For what it's worth, this article from last July ranked us 19th in the NFL. Interesting, because the number 1 and 2 ranked teams on the list were the Giants and Patritots.

http://bleacherrepor...or-2011/page/15

No surprise here. For some reason they allow these two teams lineman to hold. On every play. No wonder they are in the Super Bowl.
smh.

[The Raven]

RBates, on 08 February 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

Birk retiring with Gurode behind him is no big deal. The man behind him was an all pro so i doubt the playbook will be a problem. Only concern for me is GRUBBS, we have to resign him he is a monster. In fact, he might be our best offensive lineman.

Personally, I think it's Yanda, but they're both great at what they do. Grubbs is better in pass pro, and is a little quicker, but Yanda is great at mauling dlinemen and linebackers. Yanda is the better guard on 3rd and 1, and when your running in general, but as far as pass pro and perimeter runs go, Grubbs might have the edge.

[BmoreRavens732]

The Raven, on 08 February 2012 - 07:59 PM, said:

Personally, I think it's Yanda, but they're both great at what they do. Grubbs is better in pass pro, and is a little quicker, but Yanda is great at mauling dlinemen and linebackers. Yanda is the better guard on 3rd and 1, and when your running in general, but as far as pass pro and perimeter runs go, Grubbs might have the edge.

i couldnt care less who is better we know what we have in both guys and without either the line is terrible so we gotta sign him

[ravensfan520]

I think Joe holds onto the ball to long and needs to trust his recievers and throw to a spot. That is what the elite qbs do. They give their receivers a chance to make the play. Joe holds the ball and waits for a big opening allowing dbs a chance to regroup or react and make a play. Which leads to the drops. Maybe after a full offseason allowing Joe and his recs a chance to work and Caldwell helping... Joe can recognize this and the passing game can all get on the same page. I really dont think there is a db that can over power Boldin or outrun Smith for the ball. And if we keep Evans and run more 3 rec sets we can dominate.

Edited by ravensfan520, 10 February 2012 - 10:17 PM.

[Alexir]

ravensfan520, on 10 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think Joe holds onto the ball to long and needs to trust his recievers and throw to a spot. That is what the elite qbs do. They give their receivers a chance to make the play. Joe holds the ball and waits for a big opening allowing dbs a chance to regroup or react and make a play. Which leads to the drops. Maybe after a full offseason allowing Joe and his recs a chance to work and Caldwell helping... Joe can recognize this and the passing game can all get on the same page. I really dont think there is a db that can over power Boldin or outrun Smith for the ball. And if we keep Evans and run more 3 rec sets we can dominate.

Since the +1/-1 Button isn't working properly for me, I just wanted to say ....

[Yoonkeem]

Trust with recievers takes time,
Time, from better o-linemen. haha

[gabefergy]

ravensfan520, on 10 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think Joe holds onto the ball to long and needs to trust his recievers and throw to a spot. That is what the elite qbs do. They give their receivers a chance to make the play. Joe holds the ball and waits for a big opening allowing dbs a chance to regroup or react and make a play. Which leads to the drops. Maybe after a full offseason allowing Joe and his recs a chance to work and Caldwell helping... Joe can recognize this and the passing game can all get on the same page. I really dont think there is a db that can over power Boldin or outrun Smith for the ball. And if we keep Evans and run more 3 rec sets we can dominate.

Let me get this straight, Joe doesn't force the ball into tight coverage which allows DBs to catch up and this causes the WRs to drop the balls? That's the most backwards logic I have ever heard. If Joe tried to force the ball any more he would throw more picks, that doesn't help matters.

I do agree that he needs to get better chemistry with his receivers, its pretty clear they weren't always on the same page, especially the young ones. That's a large part of why you might not see Joe throwing as many timing routes. Half of his back shoulder throws are incomplete because Torrey forgets to cut off the route.

Joe does throw to receivers that are in tight coverage a lot though. Go back and watch some tape, Joe's receivers are almost never wide open. Remember the Texans game? I don't think the recievers got more than half a step of separation all game.

[BmoreRavens732]

ravensfan520, on 10 February 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think Joe holds onto the ball to long and needs to trust his recievers and throw to a spot. That is what the elite qbs do. They give their receivers a chance to make the play. Joe holds the ball and waits for a big opening allowing dbs a chance to regroup or react and make a play. Which leads to the drops. Maybe after a full offseason allowing Joe and his recs a chance to work and Caldwell helping... Joe can recognize this and the passing game can all get on the same page. I really dont think there is a db that can over power Boldin or outrun Smith for the ball. And if we keep Evans and run more 3 rec sets we can dominate.

drops are because the receivers simply dont catch the ball lmao though im not surprised its amazing people are trying to blame him for that smh if only joe would of caught that perfect throw in the endzone in the afccg or made the field goal he would get more respect....

[ravensfan520]

gabefergy, on 11 February 2012 - 01:42 AM, said:

Let me get this straight, Joe doesn't force the ball into tight coverage which allows DBs to catch up and this causes the WRs to drop the balls? That's the most backwards logic I have ever heard. If Joe tried to force the ball any more he would throw more picks, that doesn't help matters.

I do agree that he needs to get better chemistry with his receivers, its pretty clear they weren't always on the same page, especially the young ones. That's a large part of why you might not see Joe throwing as many timing routes. Half of his back shoulder throws are incomplete because Torrey forgets to cut off the route.

Joe does throw to receivers that are in tight coverage a lot though. Go back and watch some tape, Joe's receivers are almost never wide open. Remember the Texans game? I don't think the recievers got more than half a step of separation all game.

Remember this is the pros and not college. A half a step in the pros is like a step or two in college. Maybe like five compared to small colleges like Deleware.

[gabefergy]

ravensfan520, on 11 February 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Remember this is the pros and not college. A half a step in the pros is like a step or two in college. Maybe like five compared to small colleges like Deleware.

That's exactly what Flacco does, he hits receivers that are in tight coverage because they can't get separation. If you watch some of the better offenses like NO, GB, or NYG those WRs get more separation on a consistent basis. It's a combination of ability and play design that we are lacking.

[ravensfan520]

BmoreRavens732, on 11 February 2012 - 04:33 AM, said:

drops are because the receivers simply dont catch the ball lmao though im not surprised its amazing people are trying to blame him for that smh if only joe would of caught that perfect throw in the endzone in the afccg or made the field goal he would get more respect....

What about the throw across the middle to... the middle linebacker... is that the receivers fault because he didnt make the catch. The throw to Evans was a great throw... the db just made a great play. Plus it was against the Pats what was their defense ranked. His best game was against Pitt because he threw to a spot and let his playmakers make plays. When you throw against a lot of man coverage you wont get a lot of space and when you play against the zone if you sit and wait you give defenses a chance to make plays.

[RivenHale]

ravensfan520, on 11 February 2012 - 05:47 PM, said:

What about the throw across the middle to... the middle linebacker... is that the receivers fault because he didnt make the catch.

Do you mean the one in the Jets game? That was pretty clearly a misunderstanding between Joe and Ray. He thought Rice was gonna keep running, Rice thought he should chill where he was, and the linebacker got hit in the chest with the ball. Hard to tell who was at fault there because we don't know the playcall, but you can't 100% blame it on Joe.

[ravensfan520]

RivenHale, on 11 February 2012 - 07:35 PM, said:

Do you mean the one in the Jets game? That was pretty clearly a misunderstanding between Joe and Ray. He thought Rice was gonna keep running, Rice thought he should chill where he was, and the linebacker got hit in the chest with the ball. Hard to tell who was at fault there because we don't know the playcall, but you can't 100% blame it on Joe.

I am talking about the underthrow to Dickson in the championship game...

[raybaby]

ravensfan520, on 11 February 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am talking about the underthrow to Dickson in the championship game...

You realize it really didn't have to do with it being a bad throw... just not a great pump fake... Spikes didn't bite on it and made a great play. With that being said Joe could def improve on his fake.

Edited by raybaby, 11 February 2012 - 09:40 PM.

[RivenHale]

ravensfan520, on 11 February 2012 - 09:20 PM, said:

I am talking about the underthrow to Dickson in the championship game...

Yeah, that seemed like more of a bad decision than a bad throw. Though, point taken, bad moment in an otherwise sterling game.

[ravensfan520]

RivenHale, on 11 February 2012 - 10:36 PM, said:

Yeah, that seemed like more of a bad decision than a bad throw. Though, point taken, bad moment in an otherwise sterling game.

I think as good as Flacco is with the deep ball he struggles on balls in the middle the field and quick routes. Joe works better in the gun but that takes away a lot of the running game. In the gun gives him more time but it could also make us more vurnable to blitz packages and Rice is not very good at pass blocking and Flacco stares at his receivers too long. Maybe Caldwell can fix that. Flacco also works better when we move the pocket and another year with his new receivers can help them get on the same page... so to go along with that we need to keep Evans because they had chemistry early and bringing in a new one may slow us down... like him and Hussmenzada. We would have too many receivers and not enough balls to give out. But that's off subject.

Edited by ravensfan520, 12 February 2012 - 12:25 AM.