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[The Raven]

GrimCoconut, on 08 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

Oher would be an elite guard, actually. He has the quickness and strength. He could play that position really well. It would just be such a shame to move the man again, lol. He is a trooper, though. I have to say I love Michael Oher's character. He is like a work horse. He honestly doesn't care what role he has as long as he is here. At least that's what I've seen so far. If we move him to LG and he beasts it up, and Reid is a beast at RT, then I hope he sticks around.

I think Oher would stay here, though. He seems to be a great guy. Just can't play left tackle to save his or Flacco's life.

Also, if we move Oher to LG then that means both our LG & RG would be able to play the LT & RT positions respectively. That's pretty crazy if you ask me!

I think Oher would be a fantastic guard. If Reid pans out as well as he could, Grubbs could very well be expendable. Unfortunately, the decision to let go of Grubbs must be made before Reid will get a chance to prove himself. Though, Ozzie seems very high on Reid's future. I also think Reid would make a good guard. He doesn't have the typical guard build, but he has the skillset to play their. Plus, his lack of footwork and agility would be better masked inside. Oher or Reid could probably play LG.

[Alexir]

The Raven, on 08 February 2012 - 07:53 PM, said:

Starting at RT his rookie season, tearing his ACL and MCL his second year while playing guard, returning the next season at RG around the bye week, while also getting shuffled around at RT, then starting at RT (while getting All Pro honors) and then after finally settling down at RG, making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah... Where has Yanda been?

I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.

[Alexir]

52Kia Kaha92, on 08 February 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

No need to be a wank...Also, learn some english, your post doesnt make too much sense

And yes i think anyone who doesnt think Oher's best spot is guard doesnt watch ravens football and we drafted reid to be a RT so what is the big deal...

Grubbs is over rated...ship him out and get in a mauler that will open holes for rice.

Yeah, I don't watch Ravens football. Says the guy in Christchurch, New Zealand....

[CorvusCorax]

Ravenslifer, on 08 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

Someone posted earlier that franchising Rice would actually be cheaper than franchising Grubbs. I read in the Baltimore Sun that the plan is to franchise Rice if a deal can't be done. A few people have said it would be something like 10 million against the cap to franchise Grubbs but only 8 to tag Rice.

IMO it becomes less about the cap and more about trying to get deals done.

[Ravenslifer]

CorvusCorax, on 08 February 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

IMO it becomes less about the cap and more about trying to get deals done.

I think the point of the article was that they were trying to get deals done with all of their important free agents AND extend Flacco, but if it came down to it, they would use the franchise tag on Rice. That doesn't mean that they will let Grubbs walk without making him an offer, but if a team offers him more than the Ravens do and he accepts there's nothing to do about it.

[52Kia Kaha92]

GrimCoconut, on 08 February 2012 - 10:16 PM, said:

Oher would be an elite guard, actually. He has the quickness and strength. He could play that position really well. It would just be such a shame to move the man again, lol. He is a trooper, though. I have to say I love Michael Oher's character. He is like a work horse. He honestly doesn't care what role he has as long as he is here. At least that's what I've seen so far. If we move him to LG and he beasts it up, and Reid is a beast at RT, then I hope he sticks around.

I think Oher would stay here, though. He seems to be a great guy. Just can't play left tackle to save his or Flacco's life.

Also, if we move Oher to LG then that means both our LG & RG would be able to play the LT & RT positions respectively. That's pretty crazy if you ask me!

exactly, he would be an animal at guard

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Alexir, on 08 February 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.

It is the first season he's been getting so much praise for his play at guard but you have to remember that he played all of 2010 at tackle and some of 2009 out there as well. I'm certain he's improved a lot since 2009 and IMO he is now better than Grubbs. I think I'm right in saying Yanda only had one penalty and gave up just a couple of sacks all season?

[The Raven]

Alexir, on 08 February 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.

Yanda is the better guard as far as run blocking goes. Grubbs beats him in pass pro by s bit. And, he got a ton of praise last year for playing tackle. He's without a doubt better than Grubbs. I mean, he made the probowl, Grubbs was an alternate. Yanda made the all pro team. Grubbs didn't. The commentators, and analysts go crazy over Yanda, not Grubbs.

[Alexir]

The Raven, on 09 February 2012 - 06:51 AM, said:

Yanda is the better guard as far as run blocking goes. Grubbs beats him in pass pro by s bit. And, he got a ton of praise last year for playing tackle. He's without a doubt better than Grubbs. I mean, he made the probowl, Grubbs was an alternate. Yanda made the all pro team. Grubbs didn't. The commentators, and analysts go crazy over Yanda, not Grubbs.

This year....

Grubbs has been an alternate before for pro bowl honors. Who knows, Yanda could end up being the best guard on the team but Grubbs was the one they were talking about before Marshall.

[Rivera]

I don't think Oher would be a great G, prefer the Ravens to deal with Grubbs..

[The Raven]

Alexir, on 09 February 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

This year....

Grubbs has been an alternate before for pro bowl honors. Who knows, Yanda could end up being the best guard on the team but Grubbs was the one they were talking about before Marshall.

Yanda, if I'm not mistaken, was the second alternate, maybe third at RT, not to mention the All Pro honors that you seem to have ignored. And, considering he had never played a full season at RG, it's great. And what else matters other than this year and the now? This year, and now, Yanda is the best guard and lineman we have. Considering the injury (which could have killed his career as an offensive lineman) and the constant shuffling, Yanda has done great.

Again, started at RT as a rookie. Then he tore his ACL in, I think week 2 of next year, came back halfway through the next year at RG AND RT, then got All Pro honors at RT, then got a probowl nod at RG.

Rivera, on 09 February 2012 - 02:59 PM, said:

I don't think Oher would be a great G, prefer the Ravens to deal with Grubbs..

Why not?

[Rivera]

Oher played his role career at T and before the NFL he played LT, it's a great difference to play LT to G. The pass protection he trained is tottaly diferent and I really believe he best position is T because of his body prototype... Of course he could be better at G but imo he would not.

[The Raven]

Rivera, on 06 March 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Oher played his role career at T and before the NFL he played LT, it's a great difference to play LT to G. The pass protection he trained is tottaly diferent and I really believe he best position is T because of his body prototype... Of course he could be better at G but imo he would not.

Actually, he's a little short and small for the prototypical LT, and RT for that matter. I'd say that Joe Thomas or Jake Long have the prototype build for tackle. Most guards are between 6'2 and 6'4, Oher is at 6'4. Athletically, he is quick enough, and strong enough to play guard. His best asset is his runblocking. However, he doesn't have the best footwork in pass blocking or in run blocking. His footwork is not very good, which would be better masked on the inside. He's strong and quick, but just doesn't have the footwork down to play tackle. Honestly, his size, skill set, and athleticism is perfect for guard. Tackles who can't pass block aren't tackles, they're guards.

[harfordravenfan]

The Raven, on 06 March 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

Actually, he's a little short and small for the prototypical LT, and RT for that matter. I'd say that Joe Thomas or Jake Long have the prototype build for tackle. Most guards are between 6'2 and 6'4, Oher is at 6'4. Athletically, he is quick enough, and strong enough to play guard. His best asset is his runblocking. However, he doesn't have the best footwork in pass blocking or in run blocking. His footwork is not very good, which would be better masked on the inside. He's strong and quick, but just doesn't have the footwork down to play tackle. Honestly, his size, skill set, and athleticism is perfect for guard. Tackles who can't pass block aren't tackles, they're guards.

Well said & I also think oher would do better at guard. Perhaps his footwork will improve but it hasn't yet.

[The Raven]

harfordravenfan, on 06 March 2012 - 06:21 PM, said:

Well said & I also think oher would do better at guard. Perhaps his footwork will improve but it hasn't yet.

I would hope that it improves, but I believe he's had issues with footwork since college. I think Fly hit it right on the money when he said that Oher hasn't improved at all since his rookie year. I wonder if someone like JO can help with that. The OL coach must not be good at teaching footwork considering Oher, Cousins, Reid, and Harewood all have awful footwork. Maybe they just suck, but he could do better at honing their technique.

J.O. for OL Coach!!!

[GrimCoconut]

The Raven, on 06 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I would hope that it improves, but I believe he's had issues with footwork since college. I think Fly hit it right on the money when he said that Oher hasn't improved at all since his rookie year. I wonder if someone like JO can help with that. The OL coach must not be good at teaching footwork considering Oher, Cousins, Reid, and Harewood all have awful footwork. Maybe they just suck, but he could do better at honing their technique.

J.O. for OL Coach!!!

Didn't JO coach up one of our guys last year in the offseason during the lockout? I can't remember if I read that or dreamed that lol. If someone can confirm that will help me feel better.

I'd love for JO to be a coach, but just because a guy is a HOF doesn't mean he will be a good coach. Look at Singletary.

I do believe we need a better OL coach

[The Raven]

GrimCoconut, on 06 March 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Didn't JO coach up one of our guys last year in the offseason during the lockout? I can't remember if I read that or dreamed that lol. If someone can confirm that will help me feel better.

I'd love for JO to be a coach, but just because a guy is a HOF doesn't mean he will be a good coach. Look at Singletary.

I do believe we need a better OL coach

I don't think it was JO, I think it was Orlando Brown.

I will say that Singletary was a good LB coach, just not a good head coach, at all! JO was a very fundamentally sound player to go with his enormous frame.

[GrimCoconut]

The Raven, on 06 March 2012 - 06:55 PM, said:

I don't think it was JO, I think it was Orlando Brown.

I will say that Singletary was a good LB coach, just not a good head coach, at all! JO was a very fundamentally sound player to go with his enormous frame.

Yeah, that was it. I would like a new OL coach & WR coach. I don't like either of them.

[The Raven]

GrimCoconut, on 06 March 2012 - 07:06 PM, said:

Yeah, that was it. I would like a new OL coach & WR coach. I don't like either of them.

JO and Mason? Maybe?

[GrimCoconut]

The Raven, on 06 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

JO and Mason? Maybe?

That would be nice, but even if they aren't it I want someone different. I really don't like the two we have right now. I feel like our OL has been rather stale in pass protection for a while, ever since JO left. I didn't like the other guy whose name I forgot, and I didn't want this guy, either. I've been wanting a new WR & OL coach since the 2009 season, and I'm still waiting.