Grubbs Is In A Interesting Spot

[Jamal]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328741991' post='989758']
Yanda was the better guard for this season but Grubbs is the best guard we have on this team.
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Grubbs has never been as good as this years Yanda.

[52Kia Kaha92]

Let him go, he is part of the reason we cant get a push for 1 yard on 4th and 1. He is a good guard, a very good one, great pass protector and run blocker but he is not worth yanda money. Yanda in my opinion is a top 3 guard. Id rather have Grubbs walk, slide Michael Oher over to LG and start Jah Reid at RT. This greatly improves the line physicality and moves Oher to what i believe is his best position (even though he hasnt played it)

Also restructure Lee Evans contract, let JJ and redding walk, and cut foxworth. Go into the draft and pick a lineman in the first, id go after cordy glenn. I think this beast can play LT, i honestly do. Pick Ben Jones in the second round or trade up to get Konz in the early second...pipe dream for that though.

The line needs to be fixed and i would allow grubbs to walk for that to happen

[Jamal]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1328742632' post='989767']
Let him go, he is part of the reason we cant get a push for 1 yard on 4th and 1. He is a good guard, a very good one, great pass protector and run blocker but he is not worth yanda money. Yanda in my opinion is a top 3 guard. Id rather have Grubbs walk, slide Michael Oher over to LG and start Jah Reid at RT. This greatly improves the line physicality and moves Oher to what i believe is his best position (even though he hasnt played it)

Also restructure Lee Evans contract, let JJ and redding walk, and cut foxworth. Go into the draft and pick a lineman in the first, id go after cordy glenn. I think this beast can play LT, i honestly do. Pick Ben Jones in the second round or trade up to get Konz in the early second...pipe dream for that though.

The line needs to be fixed and i would allow grubbs to walk for that to happen
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Exactly. I thought I was the only person on here who thought Grubbs wasn't a god.

Good guard, but not nearly as great as people are making him out to be.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1328743113' post='989771']

Exactly. I thought I was the only person on here who thought Grubbs wasn't a god.

Good guard, but not nearly as great as people are making him out to be.
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You're not the only one. I'm getting sick of hearing "our team is doomed without Grubbs!!!!!" It's absurd to think Grubbs is touted this highly. I understand why--because the line struggled without him. What people fail to understand is Gurode (the back-up) had no time to build chemistry. Gurode is also a better center than guard.

I even remember hearing Grubbs is more important than Flacco & Rice. I almost had a stroke when I heard that.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1328743113' post='989771']
Exactly. I thought I was the only person on here who thought Grubbs wasn't a god.

Good guard, but not nearly as great as people are making him out to be.
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Grubbs isn't a god, but this line without him is in serious trouble. We don't have a replacement for him. We don't have another guard and moving someone to a different position isn't exactly ideal. Also about the idea of moving oher to LG, forget it. At best, you will get an andre gurode type of production out of him there, probably worse since he has never played the position before (gurode at least played some guard).

Yanda is a really really really special player, and while Grubbs is not on that level as a whole, he is just as important to this line as yanda is. Note just as important here doesnt mean he is as good as Yanda, but just as important to the functioning of the line.

That being said, our o line really only needs a LT should grubbs be resigned. Our guards are 28 going into next season, our center is wild card atm, but I suspect that we will draft one, Oher is 26 going into next season. If we can get a LT we will a have a fairly young o line and talented o line for years to come.

[da#1ravensfan]

It will take up too much of our cap if we give Grubbs, Rice and Flacco extentions. We have to let Grubbs go and either sign a vet or draft a rookie and maybe hope Jah Reid to step in that role.

[Jamal]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1328744022' post='989776']
Grubbs isn't a god, but this line without him is in serious trouble. We don't have a replacement for him. We don't have another guard and moving someone to a different position isn't exactly ideal. Also about the idea of moving oher to LG, forget it. At best, you will get an andre gurode type of production out of him there, probably worse since he has never played the position before (gurode at least played some guard).

Yanda is a really really really special player, and while Grubbs is not on that level as a whole, he is just as important to this line as yanda is. Note just as important here doesnt mean he is as good as Yanda, but just as important to the functioning of the line.

That being said, our o line really only needs a LT should grubbs be resigned. Our guards are 28 going into next season, our center is wild card atm, but I suspect that we will draft one, Oher is 26 going into next season. If we can get a LT we will a have a fairly young o line and talented o line for years to come.
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The line struggled without Grubbs because we had nobody behind him. That could change with the draft/FA.

[Alexir]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1328742632' post='989767']
Let him go, he is part of the reason we cant get a push for 1 yard on 4th and 1. He is a good guard, a very good one, great pass protector and run blocker but he is not worth yanda money. Yanda in my opinion is a top 3 guard. Id rather have Grubbs walk, slide Michael Oher over to LG and start Jah Reid at RT. This greatly improves the line physicality and moves Oher to what i believe is his best position (even though he hasnt played it)

Also restructure Lee Evans contract, let JJ and redding walk, and cut foxworth. Go into the draft and pick a lineman in the first, id go after cordy glenn. I think this beast can play LT, i honestly do. Pick Ben Jones in the second round or trade up to get Konz in the early second...pipe dream for that though.

The line needs to be fixed and i would allow grubbs to walk for that to happen
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That easy huh? Moving Oher to guard to Reid to RT?

Madden 13 needs you on the development team. It's not that easy. Where was Grubbs ranked since 2007? Where has yanda?

[gabefergy]

The more I think about it, the more I come to terms with the fact that Grubbs probably won't resign unless he takes a bit of a discount. LG by all accounts is the least demanding Oline position and given our tight cap situation it just doesn't make sense to give him Yanda type money. We can try to get a solid Guard for cheaper in FA or draft someone or maybe both. We also have Justin Boren, who I thought looked good last preseason and there is always the possibility of moving Jah Reid to Guard.

[Alexir]

Hopefully signing flacco to an extension will open up some cap room to sign Grubbs. I don't like the idea of our offensive line being McKinnie-Draft/fa-draft/fa-Yanda-Oher

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1328745083' post='989788']
The line struggled without Grubbs because we had nobody behind him. That could change with the draft/FA.
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We had Mark Levoir behind him and he failed horribly at LG despite being one. My point was that you can't just stick someone in for grubbs and expect the same production.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328745547' post='989790']
That easy huh? Moving Oher to guard to Reid to RT?

Madden 13 needs you on the development team. It's not that easy. Where was Grubbs ranked since 2007? [b]Where has yanda[/b]?
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Starting at RT his rookie season, tearing his ACL and MCL his second year while playing guard, returning the next season at RG around the bye week, while also getting shuffled around at RT, then starting at RT (while getting All Pro honors) and then after finally settling down at RG, making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah... Where has Yanda been?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328746057' post='989797']
Hopefully signing flacco to an extension will open up some cap room to sign Grubbs. I don't like the idea of our offensive line being McKinnie-Draft/fa-draft/fa-Yanda-Oher
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I dont see how extending Flacco would create more space. I guess the contract could be backloaded, but its risky to do that for too many players or in a couple years our cap situation will be atrocious. It's not like he is costing us a whole lot on his rookie deal I think hsi cap figure is only around 7M for next year.

[cobrajet]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328377781' post='984759']

We don't get a choice to refuse him to leave. That is where we may get jobbed with Webb. All that has to happen is a team offer him a contract that is better than his tender (Last CBA was around $1.9 million and a first and third round pick, but this year we can only do a first). After that the Ravens get the oppurtunity to match that offer.

Some of these teams at the end of the first round, I believe, are going to make a push to give offers to both Webb and Foster and why wouldn't they? These guys are proven players and it would be better to have one of these guys than to take a blind shot in the draft with their number 1 pick.

This is the reason why I believe Grubbs will not be signed. If we were to sign Flacco, Rice and give Grubbs the tag than we would have abolsutely no money left. At that point a team could out bid us on Webb and we wouldn't have the money to match the offer and he would walk.
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Agreed, we can't risk Webb walking. Iwould rather find a Guard than replace Webb. You can always get an interior lineman, maybe not a Probowler like Grubbs, but try to find a shutdown corner like Webb and see where that gets you. And trust me Webb damn sure deserved to be in the Pro Bowl

[cobrajet]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1328748827' post='989819']

Starting at RT his rookie season, tearing his ACL and MCL his second year while playing guard, returning the next season at RG around the bye week, while also getting shuffled around at RT, then starting at RT (while getting All Pro honors) and then after finally settling down at RG, making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah... Where has Yanda been?
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Yanda is a beast and wanted to be here. I love that guy.

[The Raven]

[quote name='cobrajet' timestamp='1328753616' post='989885']
Yanda is a beast and wanted to be here. I love that guy.
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My favorite player, hands down. Definition of a real football player.

[CorvusCorax]

IMO Rice and Flacco will get their contracts. Grubbs may end up getting the franchise tag so that the FO can work on other players and get their contracts extended, changed, etc.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328745547' post='989790']
That easy huh? Moving Oher to guard to Reid to RT?

Madden 13 needs you on the development team. It's not that easy. Where was Grubbs ranked since 2007? Where has yanda?
[/quote]

No need to be a wank...Also, learn some english, your post doesnt make too much sense

And yes i think anyone who doesnt think Oher's best spot is guard doesnt watch ravens football and we drafted reid to be a RT so what is the big deal...

Grubbs is over rated...ship him out and get in a mauler that will open holes for rice.

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1328757026' post='989970']
No need to be a wank...Also, learn some english, your post doesnt make too much sense [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

And yes i think anyone who doesnt think Oher's best spot is guard doesnt watch ravens football and we drafted reid to be a RT so what is the big deal...

Grubbs is over rated...ship him out and get in a mauler that will open holes for rice.
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Oher would be an elite guard, actually. He has the quickness and strength. He could play that position really well. It would just be such a shame to move the man again, lol. He is a trooper, though. I have to say I love Michael Oher's character. He is like a work horse. He honestly doesn't care what role he has as long as he is here. At least that's what I've seen so far. If we move him to LG and he beasts it up, and Reid is a beast at RT, then I hope he sticks around.

I think Oher would stay here, though. He seems to be a great guy. Just can't play left tackle to save his or Flacco's life.

Also, if we move Oher to LG then that means both our LG & RG would be able to play the LT & RT positions respectively. That's pretty crazy if you ask me!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1328754216' post='989894']
IMO Rice and Flacco will get their contracts. Grubbs may end up getting the franchise tag so that the FO can work on other players and get their contracts extended, changed, etc.
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Someone posted earlier that franchising Rice would actually be cheaper than franchising Grubbs. I read in the Baltimore Sun that the plan is to franchise Rice if a deal can't be done. A few people have said it would be something like 10 million against the cap to franchise Grubbs but only 8 to tag Rice.

[The Raven]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328757399' post='989980']
Oher would be an elite guard, actually. He has the quickness and strength. He could play that position really well. It would just be such a shame to move the man again, lol. He is a trooper, though. I have to say I love Michael Oher's character. He is like a work horse. He honestly doesn't care what role he has as long as he is here. At least that's what I've seen so far. If we move him to LG and he beasts it up, and Reid is a beast at RT, then I hope he sticks around.

I think Oher would stay here, though. He seems to be a great guy. Just can't play left tackle to save his or Flacco's life.

Also, if we move Oher to LG then that means both our LG & RG would be able to play the LT & RT positions respectively. That's pretty crazy if you ask me!
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I think Oher would be a fantastic guard. If Reid pans out as well as he could, Grubbs could very well be expendable. Unfortunately, the decision to let go of Grubbs must be made before Reid will get a chance to prove himself. Though, Ozzie seems very high on Reid's future. I also think Reid would make a good guard. He doesn't have the typical guard build, but he has the skillset to play their. Plus, his lack of footwork and agility would be better masked inside. Oher or Reid could probably play LG.

[Alexir]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1328748827' post='989819']

Starting at RT his rookie season, tearing his ACL and MCL his second year while playing guard, returning the next season at RG around the bye week, while also getting shuffled around at RT, then starting at RT (while getting All Pro honors) and then after finally settling down at RG, making the Pro Bowl.

Yeah... Where has Yanda been?
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I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.

[Alexir]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1328757026' post='989970']
No need to be a wank...Also, learn some english, your post doesnt make too much sense [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]

And yes i think anyone who doesnt think Oher's best spot is guard doesnt watch ravens football and we drafted reid to be a RT so what is the big deal...

Grubbs is over rated...ship him out and get in a mauler that will open holes for rice.
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Yeah, I don't watch Ravens football. Says the guy in Christchurch, New Zealand....

[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1328757750' post='989990']

Someone posted earlier that franchising Rice would actually be cheaper than franchising Grubbs. I read in the Baltimore Sun that the plan is to franchise Rice if a deal can't be done. A few people have said it would be something like 10 million against the cap to franchise Grubbs but only 8 to tag Rice.
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IMO it becomes less about the cap and more about trying to get deals done.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1328760708' post='990067']

IMO it becomes less about the cap and more about trying to get deals done.
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I think the point of the article was that they were trying to get deals done with all of their important free agents AND extend Flacco, but if it came down to it, they would use the franchise tag on Rice. That doesn't mean that they will let Grubbs walk without making him an offer, but if a team offers him more than the Ravens do and he accepts there's nothing to do about it.

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328760061' post='990060']
Yeah, I don't watch Ravens football. Says the guy in Christchurch, New Zealand....
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..who buys nfl gamepass every year and watches every single second of ravens football...
Just because i live in another country doesnt mean i cant watch the games...do some research before you make stupid statements

[52Kia Kaha92]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328757399' post='989980']
Oher would be an elite guard, actually. He has the quickness and strength. He could play that position really well. It would just be such a shame to move the man again, lol. He is a trooper, though. I have to say I love Michael Oher's character. He is like a work horse. He honestly doesn't care what role he has as long as he is here. At least that's what I've seen so far. If we move him to LG and he beasts it up, and Reid is a beast at RT, then I hope he sticks around.

I think Oher would stay here, though. He seems to be a great guy. Just can't play left tackle to save his or Flacco's life.

Also, if we move Oher to LG then that means both our LG & RG would be able to play the LT & RT positions respectively. That's pretty crazy if you ask me!
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exactly, he would be an animal at guard

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328759849' post='990053']
I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.
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It is the first season he's been getting so much praise for his play at guard but you have to remember that he played all of 2010 at tackle and some of 2009 out there as well. I'm certain he's improved a lot since 2009 and IMO he is now better than Grubbs. I think I'm right in saying Yanda only had one penalty and gave up just a couple of sacks all season?

[The Raven]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1328759849' post='990053']
I meant as where has Yanda been ranked...

This is the first real season he has been getting such praise for playing guard and people want to say he is better than Grubbs which is just false.
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Yanda is the better guard as far as run blocking goes. Grubbs beats him in pass pro by s bit. And, he got a ton of praise last year for playing tackle. He's without a doubt better than Grubbs. I mean, he made the probowl, Grubbs was an alternate. Yanda made the all pro team. Grubbs didn't. The commentators, and analysts go crazy over Yanda, not Grubbs.

[Alexir]

[quote name='52Kia Kaha92' timestamp='1328778922' post='990170'] ..who buys nfl gamepass every year and watches every single second of ravens football... Just because i live in another country doesnt mean i cant watch the games...do some research before you make stupid statements[/quote]

You were the accusatory person making allegations that I don't watch games, so don't get your panties in a bunch because I defended myself saying not only am I here to watch the games Live at stadium and on tv, but I go to the open practices as well. Michael Oher would struggle at guard.