Grubbs Is In A Interesting Spot

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='Ravens1990' timestamp='1328410748' post='985240']
LOL at people bailing on Grubbs. Dude is a beast and our line sucks without him. We need to keep him.
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I never said i was bailing on him,read my link.

[scrock]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1328388153' post='984877']

I'm very adamant that the game is won in the trenches. I wouldn't be upset at all if we invested some serious money in the line.
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I agree but there is only so many big contracts u can dish out

[GrimCoconut]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328468707' post='985794']

I agree but there is only so many big contracts u can dish out
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Agreed. I'd rather have big money invested in the left tackle and possibly center or right tackle than the left guard.

[TDubbs]

Grubbs is one of the better Guards in the game right now and is right in is prime. Id prefer to franchise tag him this year and let him play it out, I believe it is best all around. He gets a 1 year deal at the max, not sure what it is but a nice paycheck. He plays the year out, keeps progressing and helping us win games. Hopefully win the Superbowl next year, which Im sure he wants to be a part of. Then he has all the leverage to seek out another team and get a huge pay day or stay with us.

For me the focus has to be on Rice, Webb and then Joe. Rice deserves the long term deal because hes earned it more then any one and will have a shorter career. Webb is an elite talent and will be recognized as one of the best corners in the game, the BallHawk 2.0 must be locked up as a Raven for life. Joe is in a tough position seeing as he is still under contract through next season. Either we sign him long term now deeming a price that is hard to determine. Or, Flacco tears it up next season which I 100% believe he will and we have to give him more money then we would now. Tough decisions for Ozzie to make no doubt.

[gilgamesh]

If we can't get Grubbs back, I would love to get Chris Myers. The Texans have their hands full trying to re-sign Mario Williams and Arian Foster, they might not be able to afford to re-sign all of their FA's. I would feel very uncomfortable entering the draft with 2 needs in the interior line. Also, from what I've learned last year, Texans make great Ravens.

[B-more Ravor]

[quote name='GrimCoconut' timestamp='1328468781' post='985796']
Agreed. I'd rather have big money invested in the left tackle and possibly center or right tackle than the left guard.
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Exactly. That's the exact situation that will come about in the next year or two, as McKinnie and Oher both become FAs. There is only so much money you can spend on one unit of your team (without robbing another), and usually your OTs make far more than your Guards. If they pay both Grubbs and Yanda, it will be harder to pay for their OTs (one of whom may be Oher after 2013), unless they hit on two starting OTs in the draft. That would be great, but they can't count on that and may then come to regret a sizeable deal for Grubbs (even if he is still playing well).

Just like they weren't going to pay Jason Brown more to play Center than they were willing to pay their Guards, they likely aren't going to be interested in pay Grubbs what the market may bear, because having two highly paid Guards simply offsets the salary balance of the OL.

[Markus92]

id rather have a SOLID LT then have grubbs IMO

[scrock]

[quote name='Markus92' timestamp='1328639801' post='988337']
id rather have a SOLID LT then have grubbs IMO
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well yeah, the LT is the most important O-lineman then the Center position because he calls out the protections, etc

McKinnie will be at LT next year once again

[callahan09]

[quote name='ravensfan520' timestamp='1328408555' post='985196']
As much as everyone loves Flacco without Rice and Grubbs...Flacco will become a qb with no check down and always getting sacked. Without Grubbs that left side will get demolished and without Rice there goes at least 40+ completions. So imo the order should be Rice Grubbs and then Webb... then finally try to extend Flacco.

But maybe they have a plan with one of the tackles we have moving to a guard position... it has already been released that we will be looking for a center with or without Birk/Gurode resigning.
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I disagree. I think a checkdown running back is a dime a dozen in the NFL, maybe not at the level of Rice, but maybe... Rice has a tendency to disappear for entire games producing 3 or fewer yards per carry and he was one of the NFL leaders in dropped passes in 2011. I don't want to see Rice go anywhere, but I do believe he's replaceable. That kind of player isn't exactly rare in the NFL these days. Grubbs is an important player at an important position as well. I'm not arguing that about either of these guys. But a franchise quarterback does not grow on trees. Teams go on the QB carousel and don't come off for 10 or more years. There are not many QBs in NFL history who have the first four year numbers that Joe Flacco has, and that doesn't just include the wins column, but the stat sheet overall. He's a franchise QB. That's the most important position on the field. Joe Flacco is the most important player in the Ravens offense, and probably the entire organization, right now. You cannot let that player walk away and expect to be a consistent playoff team any longer. Remember when we have the best defense in the NFL and one of the best running backs in Jamal? We had a hell of a tough time finding any playoff success or season-to-season consistency, because we were riding the QB carousel.

[scrock]

[quote][b][color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]As much as everyone loves Flacco without Rice and Grubbs...Flacco will become a qb with no check down and always getting sacked. Without Grubbs that left side will get demolished and without Rice there goes at least 40+ completions. So imo the order should be Rice Grubbs and then Webb... then finally try to extend Flacco.[/size][/font][/color][/b]

[color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif][size=3]But maybe they have a plan with one of the tackles we have moving to a guard position... it has already been released that we will be looking for a center with or without Birk/Gurode resigning.[/size][/font][/color][/quote]

That's for any QB, the OL protection is key...its not just Flacco and if we lose Grubbs which is probably going to happen we will have to fill that hole with another player like we always do, Ozzie knows how important the OL is for an offense to be successful, we saw it in the playoffs against Vince Wilfork...who by the way Bull rushed Grubbs right into Flacco...totally man handled Grubbs...anyway

The QB is the most important position in football, the Ravens will lock Joe up long term I dont care in what order Rice and Flacco get done just as long as they get done

[Radinho84]

i don´t think that we will offer him as much as panda got. panda can also play RT. i think that is the reason why he got paid that much. grubbs also is hurt every once in a while. i know that he is really good. but i don´t see us as an organization paying him that much money.

it´s all on him if he wants to stay a raven. like scrock said on another topic: it´s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[scrock]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1328641594' post='988410']
i don´t think that we will offer him as much as [b]panda got. panda can also play RT[/b]. i think that is the reason why he got paid that much. grubbs also is hurt every once in a while. i know that he is really good. but i don´t see us as an organization paying him that much money.

it´s all on him if he wants to stay a raven. like scrock said on another topic: it´s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Yanda can play got RG and RT this is true..I dont know who Panda is tho...lol

[Raven Hammer]

I like Grubbs and wish we could keep him However with Yandas contract and the skill postion players that come first IMO there just won't be enough cap space for another top money guard. Also IMO good interior linemen are easier to find in the lower rounds But I really hate to see one of our own to leave

[scrock]

I'm realistic so I know how tough it is to keep all your players, especially if they are unrestricted free agents, with the salary cap it's impossible to match what other teams are going to offer

We lost Chris Chester last year 'cause the Redskins were willing to pay him....Grubbs is going to get paid, he's a Pro Bowl LG

The Ravens have Rice and Flacco to sign long term...also guys like Webb and Williams

Its like Ozzie said, we can easily keep Grubbs but pick the 5 guys you want to cut or release....its not easy

[The Raven]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1328640661' post='988372']

[b]I disagree. I think a checkdown running back is a dime a dozen in the NFL, maybe not at the level of Rice, but maybe... Rice has a tendency to disappear for entire games producing 3 or fewer yards per carry and he was one of the NFL leaders in dropped passes in 2011. I don't want to see Rice go anywhere, but I do believe he's replaceable. [/b] That kind of player isn't exactly rare in the NFL these days. Grubbs is an important player at an important position as well. I'm not arguing that about either of these guys. But a franchise quarterback does not grow on trees. Teams go on the QB carousel and don't come off for 10 or more years. There are not many QBs in NFL history who have the first four year numbers that Joe Flacco has, and that doesn't just include the wins column, but the stat sheet overall. He's a franchise QB. That's the most important position on the field. Joe Flacco is the most important player in the Ravens offense, and probably the entire organization, right now. You cannot let that player walk away and expect to be a consistent playoff team any longer. Remember when we have the best defense in the NFL and one of the best running backs in Jamal? We had a hell of a tough time finding any playoff success or season-to-season consistency, because we were riding the QB carousel.
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Maybe, just maybe, he disappeared because of a lack of blocking. Just a theory

And Rice? Replaceable? Wow.

[codizzle]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1328640661' post='988372']


I disagree. I think a checkdown running back is a dime a dozen in the NFL, maybe not at the level of Rice, but maybe... Rice has a tendency to disappear for entire games producing 3 or fewer yards per carry and he was one of the NFL leaders in dropped passes in 2011. I don't want to see Rice go anywhere, but I do believe he's replaceable. That kind of player isn't exactly rare in the NFL these days. Grubbs is an important player at an important position as well. I'm not arguing that about either of these guys. But a franchise quarterback does not grow on trees. Teams go on the QB carousel and don't come off for 10 or more years. There are not many QBs in NFL history who have the first four year numbers that Joe Flacco has, and that doesn't just include the wins column, but the stat sheet overall. He's a franchise QB. That's the most important position on the field. Joe Flacco is the most important player in the Ravens offense, and probably the entire organization, right now. You cannot let that player walk away and expect to be a consistent playoff team any longer. Remember when we have the best defense in the NFL and one of the best running backs in Jamal? We had a hell of a tough time finding any playoff success or season-to-season consistency, because we were riding the QB carousel.
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U don know he lead the league in yards from scrimmage last year right?
Replace that

[CapoRocky]

The NFL is getting away from the ground game and is totally focused on the pass, but we have a star running back that needs to be signed. After Rice is locked up, then we need to sign Webb and Grubbs with whatever is left over. Flacco has another year to negotiate his megacontract. A few more people will retire, restructure, or something to free up just enough to sign our draft picks and a few FAs. Ozzie works magic with the cap space. He has good people to advise him.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1328641594' post='988410']
i don´t think that we will offer him as much as panda got. panda can also play RT. i think that is the reason why he got paid that much. grubbs also is hurt every once in a while. i know that he is really good. but i don´t see us as an organization paying him that much money.

it´s all on him if he wants to stay a raven. like scrock said on another topic: it´s all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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[u][b]Panda[/b][/u] is a beeeeeast

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1328652724' post='988733']
The NFL is getting away from the ground game and is totally focused on the pass, but we have a star running back that needs to be signed. After Rice is locked up, then we need to sign Webb and Grubbs with whatever is left over. Flacco has another year to negotiate his megacontract. A few more people will retire, restructure, or something to free up just enough to sign our draft picks and a few FAs. Ozzie works magic with the cap space. He has good people to advise him.
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Agreed, although Ozzie and his advisers know that there is a point where they pull the plug on re-signing Grubbs. If his financial demands are too high then they know it's in the best interests of the team to let him go.

[The Raven]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1328652724' post='988733']
The NFL is getting away from the ground game and is totally focused on the pass, but we have a star running back that needs to be signed. After Rice is locked up, then we need to sign Webb and Grubbs with whatever is left over. Flacco has another year to negotiate his megacontract. A few more people will retire, restructure, or something to free up just enough to sign our draft picks and a few FAs. Ozzie works magic with the cap space. He has good people to advise him.
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Well, after the 49ers beat the Saints, and the Giants beating both the Packers and Patriots, I still think a run game is still worth more than what some may think.

[GrimCoconut]

What team you guys think will target Grubbs? I could see the NFC East Washington Ravens targeting him. Perhaps the AFC West Kansas City Ravens go after him, or even dare I say the AFC East New York Ravens?

My money is on Snyder. He loves his Baltimore linemen.

[ravensfan520]

[quote name='callahan09' timestamp='1328640661' post='988372']


I disagree. I think a checkdown running back is a dime a dozen in the NFL, maybe not at the level of Rice, but maybe... Rice has a tendency to disappear for entire games producing 3 or fewer yards per carry and he was one of the NFL leaders in dropped passes in 2011. I don't want to see Rice go anywhere, but I do believe he's replaceable. That kind of player isn't exactly rare in the NFL these days. Grubbs is an important player at an important position as well. I'm not arguing that about either of these guys. But a franchise quarterback does not grow on trees. Teams go on the QB carousel and don't come off for 10 or more years. There are not many QBs in NFL history who have the first four year numbers that Joe Flacco has, and that doesn't just include the wins column, but the stat sheet overall. He's a franchise QB. That's the most important position on the field. Joe Flacco is the most important player in the Ravens offense, and probably the entire organization, right now. You cannot let that player walk away and expect to be a consistent playoff team any longer. Remember when we have the best defense in the NFL and one of the best running backs in Jamal? We had a hell of a tough time finding any playoff success or season-to-season consistency, because we were riding the QB carousel.
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The biggest flaw in everyones argument is that Flacco still has a year left on his contract. Unless we can sign him and find a way to make cap space to secure other positions pursuing Flacco first could set us back... especially now that Ricky has retired. We have won before and teams have won before without a franchise qb behind the center... and teams have struggled with a franchise qb behind center... if you don't have the pieces to surround whoever is behind center too you could go nowhere. Look at all the elite qbs and what is the biggest thing they have... weapons to fit around them. I am not saying we don't need Flacco I am just saying like Biscotti said we are not going to upgrade our offense at the expense of hurting the defense. Having a good OL and good running game helps more than a pass happy offense... look at the last couple champions... Giants Packers Steelers and even the Saints had a good defense when they won. And no... check down backs/every down backs aren't a dime a dozen how many teams have backs that top 2000 yards a season out of the backfield... ill wait.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1328655343' post='988780']
[u][b]Panda[/b][/u] is a beeeeeast
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yeah he is....LOL

again: damn you IMac!!!!

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1328655343' post='988780']
[u][b]Panda[/b][/u] is a beeeeeast
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Everyone knows that Panda is a Bear.

[img]http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/682504/Panda_medium.jpg[/img]

[tctony]

Why is everybody so willing to give up Grubbs? We have a good thing going with him and Yanda. We need to be able to run up the middle, we need to be able to pick up those 1-3 yards when we need it. Having Grubbs helps greatly in being able to do that. Football is won and lost in the trenches. Pay this man!!

[Ravenslifer]

Here's the thing about Grubbs - he is a great guard, but if we let him walk and upgraded somewhere else it could be better for the team. I don't know what will happen, but Grubbs will get paid by someone, and I'd rather not have 2 highly paid guards. There are two guys out there - Jared Gaither and more realistically Demetrius Bell, that can play left tackle. I don't know what the front office is thinking, but I believe it's far easier to find a good guard in a mid-round draft pick than it is a good tackle. Maybe we bring Grubbs back, but I think what the FO may do is let Grubbs go, sign Demetrius Bell, and find a guard in the second or third round of the draft.

[Rivera]

Grubbs should get elite OG money and The RAVENS should give it to him. Our OL is getting old and Grubbs and Yanda are the real holders of the unit. I don't even know what to expect about Oher and he is not better than Gaither in his good years here.

We really need Grubbs, much more than some experts think... Ray Rice will run better with Grubbs, Joe Flacco will pass better with Grubbs there and our OL would have a little bit of chemistry finally.

It's a lot of money in two Gs but the both deserves and we need them. Hope The Wizard Of Oz sees the same way...

[Alexir]

I just feel if Grubbs is not back its going to be an up hill climb for this offense....yet again.

How much money do we owe Oher by the way? Maybe we can let him go now and get Jah Reid at RT.

[Jamal]

Hes probably going to ask for Yanda money, and I'm not sure I would pay him that. Yanda is the better guard and gives you the versatility of playing RT as well.

[Alexir]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1328741919' post='989756']
Hes probably going to ask for Yanda money, and I'm not sure I would pay him that. Yanda is the better guard and gives you the versatility of playing RT as well.
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Yanda was the better guard for this season but Grubbs is the best guard we have on this team.