Grubbs Is In A Interesting Spot

[ThePurpleWall]

It seems,that our GM,wants to sign Ray Rice to long term deal a long with Joe Flacco,rather then Joe Flacco and mr Grubbs, so looks like Mr Grubbs is 3rd on the list,Flacco and Rice first,unless we cant get a long term deal for Ray Rice then we would tag him,if we tag Ray Rice,then that would be interesting for mr Grubbs.
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[Purple Punishment]

If we tag Grubbs its only to keep him here for one more solid run

[flynismo]

I would say Webb comes before Grubbs as well

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[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1328338897' post='984580']
I would say Webb comes before Grubbs as well
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Said the same. I feel a corner with his abilities is more valuable than a lineman. Teams are learning the hard way not to throw at Webb.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1328338897' post='984580']
I would say Webb comes before Grubbs as well
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Id agree,Joe Flacco,Ray Rice,Mr Webb not in any order.

[codizzle]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1328338897' post='984580']
I would say Webb comes before Grubbs as well
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I'd say na jut cause Webb is a RFA

[Bosanac]

an*
>.<

imo flacco, rice this year, tag grubbs

next year webb and grubbs get their deals

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1328352200' post='984590']
an*
>.<

imo flacco, rice this year, tag grubbs

next year webb and grubbs get their deals
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Man I'm not even that picky..

But u right on the resigning players part except tagging Grubbs.. Not sure if that's our best bet

[Bosanac]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1328352848' post='984591']

But u right on the resigning players part except tagging Grubbs.. Not sure if that's our best bet
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Honestly, I would think they would be better off tagging grubbs than webb, seeing the types of contracts dbs have been getting lately.

[ravensfan520]

Rice Webb and Grubbs... Flacco is not a free agent yet... I say extend him only if it frees up more money for this year to sign the others.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1328353019' post='984592']


Honestly, I would think they would be better off tagging grubbs than webb, seeing the types of contracts dbs have been getting lately.
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Webb is a rfa .. There is no situation in which we would tag him or need to tag him..

We give him a tender and he has up to a certain date to sign that tender...
If another team wants to sign him we Have the right of first refusal or if we let him leave (which we definitely would not) we would get a pick equivalent to whatever tender we put on him..

He isn't a UFA that we could just throw a tag on

[Corvus]

Its funny to me everyone is automatically writing off Grubbs just because we already signed Yanda last offseason. Even though the entire interior of our line struggled in the playoffs, Grubbs and Yanda IMO are the guys on our line worth keeping long term. You guys remember how the offense, especially the run game suffered when he was out. Gurode did a solid job all things considered, especially since he had hardly ever played guard in the NFL, but I think Grubbs is way too valuable for us to let go to FA, I'm still honestly disappointed that we let Jason Brown walk in '09, but the Rams offered him the biggest contract I have seen for a center. Grubbs will definitely get offers, but I think our FO can compete if it goes ahead and handles some things like Flacco's new contract (I'm sure his new contract will start with less of a cap hit than the 6+mil he scheduled to make right now) and cutting all the cap space tied up in Foxworth and Carr. We can still protect Webb by putting a 1st +3rd round tender on him, as good as he is no other team is gonna give up those picks for him and we can handle his contract next offseason. If Grubbs accepts a deal similar to Yanda's (which I think he would, he doesn't come across as a greed-mongerer) I really don't see why we wouldn't be able to keep him.

[The Raven]

I don't think Grubbs is irreplaceable, but he will be difficult to replace. I'd like to maintain a little more continuity on the line for more than a season. Also, by letting him go we have another need to fill, and our line could end up in shambles. We have enough needs as it is, and we don't need to add another. Our line is bad enough as it is, we don't need another hole.

He's not irreplaceable, but I don't want to have to pursue the route of finding a replacement.

[BloodRaven]

The impression I get from Grubbs comments is that he wants to test free agency and doesn't see himself as a Raven in the future. If that is the case then I hope he ends up like Jason Brown, a disappointing FA acquisition for a perennial 4-12 team.

[Ravens4Real]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1328371954' post='984721']
Webb is a rfa .. There is no situation in which we would tag him or need to tag him..

We give him a tender and he has up to a certain date to sign that tender...
If another team wants to sign him we Have the right of first refusal or if we let him leave (which we definitely would not) we would get a pick equivalent to whatever tender we put on him..

He isn't a UFA that we could just throw a tag on
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We don't get a choice to refuse him to leave. That is where we may get jobbed with Webb. All that has to happen is a team offer him a contract that is better than his tender (Last CBA was around $1.9 million and a first and third round pick, but this year we can only do a first). After that the Ravens get the oppurtunity to match that offer.

Some of these teams at the end of the first round, I believe, are going to make a push to give offers to both Webb and Foster and why wouldn't they? These guys are proven players and it would be better to have one of these guys than to take a blind shot in the draft with their number 1 pick.

This is the reason why I believe Grubbs will not be signed. If we were to sign Flacco, Rice and give Grubbs the tag than we would have abolsutely no money left. At that point a team could out bid us on Webb and we wouldn't have the money to match the offer and he would walk.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Ravens4Real' timestamp='1328377781' post='984759']

We don't get a choice to refuse him to leave. That is where we may get jobbed with Webb. All that has to happen is a team offer him a contract that is better than his tender (Last CBA was around $1.9 million and a first and third round pick, but this year we can only do a first). After that the Ravens get the oppurtunity to match that offer.

Some of these teams at the end of the first round, I believe, are going to make a push to give offers to both Webb and Foster and why wouldn't they? These guys are proven players and it would be better to have one of these guys than to take a blind shot in the draft with their number 1 pick.

This is the reason why I believe Grubbs will not be signed. If we were to sign Flacco, Rice and give Grubbs the tag than we would have abolsutely no money left. At that point a team could out bid us on Webb and we wouldn't have the money to match the offer and he would walk.
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Teams [i]rarely[/i] make offers for RFAs because not only do you have to sign them to a large contract (to get them away from their team), but then give away an extremely valuable 1st round pick. It's just not smart business to do that.

[Bltravens]

We dont even need to worry about Webb, we'll put the highest possible tender on him for this year. If Flacco and Rice agree to deals it will be huge for cap space, franchise Grubbs for the season see if its possible to sign him. Then work on Webb's contract the following year with the money freed up from Grubbs' franchise tag.

Cake.

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='Bosanac' timestamp='1328352200' post='984590']
an*
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imo flacco, rice this year, tag grubbs

next year webb and grubbs get their deals
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Lol do you know its going cost like 9mil to tag Grubbs....never going to happen when its only like 7 to tag Rice if they cant get a deal done. Only way we keep him if he takes a pay cut with the cap we have.

So in other words we maynot beable to keep him because we paid Yanda over him. Grubbs is 27years old, alot of other teams will be willing to give him alot more money then we can at this point.....Btw no team in the NFL will pay two Guards Yanda type money thats on the same team. One will get the big payday,the other will be let go for a cheap Vetaran which will be a FA.

[scrock]

i thought this was a foregone conclusion since we signed Yanda, i read so many articles that addressed Grubbs will probably not receive a big contract from the Ravens...do u want to tie up that much money in your OL? I think its a crucial position, just as QB is...no blocking, no offense

[The Raven]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1328387751' post='984873']
i thought this was a foregone conclusion since we signed Yanda, i read so many articles that addressed Grubbs will probably not receive a big contract from the Ravens...do u want to tie up that much money in your OL? I think its a crucial position, just as QB is...no blocking, no offense
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I'm very adamant that the game is won in the trenches. I wouldn't be upset at all if we invested some serious money in the line.

[wayne]

I hope we can bring Grubbs back. I hate drafting a good O-lineman in the draft only to let him get signed by another team once he becomes beastly. If we acquired Grubbs through FA, then I wouldn't trip that much but we drafted Grubbs and I think the sentimental value of that speaks for its self, including the value of Grubbs.

[Ravenslifer]

The real question is: how much money would Grubbs cost, and could that money be reinvested elsewhere. For instance, if we lost Grubbs but replaced him with Demetrius Bell as a left tackle, is getting the left tackle and looking elsewhere at guard a better option than paying Grubbs and trying to find a tackle with the money left? Honestly I have no idea, because I'm not really sure how good Bell is, since I don't watch Buffalo play unless they play the Ravens. From what I understand he's a good but not outstanding left tackle. And there are other free agent tackles to look at. So if that's the case, is it better to have the good left tackle than the outstanding guard? Again, I don't know, so I'll leave it up to the front office.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1328387554' post='984869']
Lol do you know its going cost like 9mil to tag Grubbs....never going to happen when its only like 7 to tag Rice if they cant get a deal done. Only way we keep him if he takes a pay cut with the cap we have.

So in other words we maynot beable to keep him because we paid Yanda over him. Grubbs is 27years old, alot of other teams will be willing to give him alot more money then we can at this point....[b].Btw no team in the NFL will pay two Guards Yanda type money thats on the same team[/b]. One will get the big payday,the other will be let go for a cheap Vetaran which will be a FA.
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Actually the Saints are probably going to do just that. They are in a very similar financial situation as we are and are going to try to retain their star OG Carl Nicks. Jahri Evans already makes more than Yanda I believe at Guard. I think we can definitely afford to keep Grubbs, but it will require not signing some other players like JJ or Redding and probably cutting at least 1 vet (Foxy).

[CalvinSmoke]

I think Grubbs knows he's gone. It's a business, he wants a big pay day and the Ravens cant give it to him. Ozzie had a lot of things on his improvement list, things that cost money lol

[The Raven]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1328392409' post='984921']
I think Grubbs knows he's gone. It's a business, he wants a big pay day and the Ravens cant give it to him. Ozzie had a lot of things on his improvement list, things that cost money lol
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If Grubbs goes, there's one more thing that needs improving... and it will also cost money.

[kiwi_raven]

i would of had my priorites, Rice, Grubbs then flacco

[RavenFanatic1327]

Grubbs is 1 of the best lineman in the game and is a pro bowler.. we cannot afford to lose him to another team..tag him or sign him.bottom line

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1328390394' post='984899']
I hope we can bring Grubbs back. I hate drafting a good O-lineman in the draft only to let him get signed by another team once he becomes beastly. If we acquired Grubbs through FA, then I wouldn't trip that much but we drafted Grubbs and I think the sentimental value of that speaks for its self, including the value of Grubbs.
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I see your point,but from what i read,our GM is saying,that he would love to keep Grubbs,but Flacco,Webb,Ray Rice come before him,i dont have that list of 3 in any order.

[ravensfan520]

As much as everyone loves Flacco without Rice and Grubbs...Flacco will become a qb with no check down and always getting sacked. Without Grubbs that left side will get demolished and without Rice there goes at least 40+ completions. So imo the order should be Rice Grubbs and then Webb... then finally try to extend Flacco.

But maybe they have a plan with one of the tackles we have moving to a guard position... it has already been released that we will be looking for a center with or without Birk/Gurode resigning.

[tctony]

LOL at people bailing on Grubbs. Dude is a beast and our line sucks without him. We need to keep him.