Here Are Some Stats For You

[ROH522155]

Legendary quarterback in their rookie seasonor first bunch of games


Manning- 28 INTS Rating- 71.2 3-13 record
Elway- 11 GMS 7 TDs 14 INTS Rating- 54.9 Record- 4-6
Unitas- 12 games played, 7 starts 9 TDS 10 INTS rating 74
S. Young- First 19 games- 11 TDS 21 INTS Record 3-16
(there are plenty more examples i could use)

what im trying to say is a lot of great quarterbacks struggle from the beginning

give joe a break. if you didnt think he was gonna need time then you're pretty ignorant because HELLO!! He came from DELAWARE! where?? DELAWARE!! so yea give him a break

he could turn out to be something special

[BuckWilds]

Agreed. Joe will be fine. I was watching his face at the end of the game, after the last interception... He was pissed. That's a good sign.

[wayne]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='75996' date='Oct 13 2008, 07:42 PM']Manning- 28 INTS Rating- 71.2 3-13 record
Elway- 11 GMS 7 TDs 14 INTS Rating- 54.9 Record- 4-6
Unitas- 12 games played, 7 starts 9 TDS 10 INTS rating 74
S. Young- First 19 games- 11 TDS 21 INTS Record 3-16
(there are plenty more examples i could use)

what im trying to say is a lot of great quarterbacks struggle from the beginning

give joe a break. if you didnt think he was gonna need time then you're pretty ignorant because HELLO!! He came from DELAWARE! where?? DELAWARE!! so yea give him a break

he could turn out to be something special[/quote]
We are not arguing that point. I agree, alot of great QB's do struggle but with our great D aging, we need things to happen Now,not two years from now and its possible that things can happen Now. with a good Caretaker at QB, we can WIN NOW!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' post='75996' date='Oct 13 2008, 08:42 PM']Manning- 28 INTS Rating- 71.2 3-13 record
Elway- 11 GMS 7 TDs 14 INTS Rating- 54.9 Record- 4-6
Unitas- 12 games played, 7 starts 9 TDS 10 INTS rating 74
S. Young- First 19 games- 11 TDS 21 INTS Record 3-16
(there are plenty more examples i could use)

what im trying to say is a lot of great quarterbacks struggle from the beginning

give joe a break. if you didnt think he was gonna need time then you're pretty ignorant because HELLO!! He came from DELAWARE! where?? DELAWARE!! so yea give him a break

he could turn out to be something special[/quote]

yeah but they all struggled on BAD teams...

The Baltimore Ravens are not a bad team. We've been 1 qb away from a dynasty for almost a decade.

How come Big Ben didn't struggle in his 1st year? How Come Dan Marino didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Joe Montana didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Brett Favre didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Tom Brady didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Matt Ryan isn't struggling in his 1st year?

[POE]

Nice post and those stats are very interesting. I won't say that he will turn out like any of these guys but he sure has shown the potential to be. He needs time to learn and the only way he will do that is learning from his mistakes. He can also help us win while he does this though so I am in no way calling this season a flop to let Flacco learn. He can take away a lot from what he is seen and done so far this season it is just how he responds from it. By the looks of it though he still seems confident without hesitation to throw the ball down field and sounds like he understands what he has been doing wrong the past few weeks.

[RavensIQ]

Here are some stats I also find interesting...

1st year qbs

Kyle Boller: 9 interceptions, 7 tds, rating 62.4, comp% 51.8
Joey Harrington: 3-9, 12 tds, 16 interceptions, rating 59.9, comp% 50.1
Ryan Leaf: 3-6, 2 tds, 15 interceptions, comp% 45.3, rating 39.0
David Carr: 4-12, 9 tds, 15 interceptions, rating 62.8, comp% 52.5

[ROH522155]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76008' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:11 PM']Here are some stats I also find interesting...

1st year qbs

Kyle Boller: 9 interceptions, 7 tds, rating 62.4, comp% 51.8
Joey Harrington: 3-9, 12 tds, 16 interceptions, rating 59.9, comp% 50.1
Ryan Leaf: 3-6, 2 tds, 15 interceptions, comp% 45.3, rating 39.0
David Carr: 4-12, 9 tds, 15 interceptions, rating 62.8, comp% 52.5[/quote]


touche

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76008' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:11 PM']Here are some stats I also find interesting...

1st year qbs

Kyle Boller: 9 interceptions, 7 tds, rating 62.4, comp% 51.8
Joey Harrington: 3-9, 12 tds, 16 interceptions, rating 59.9, comp% 50.1
Ryan Leaf: 3-6, 2 tds, 15 interceptions, comp% 45.3, rating 39.0
David Carr: 4-12, 9 tds, 15 interceptions, rating 62.8, comp% 52.5[/quote]

So what are you saying? You left us with stats and no explanation??? I can guess what you are trying to tell us but I would rather hear what type of Flacco trash talk you leave us with. This will never end will it? Nobody wants to be a fan anymore..they all want to be the coach!

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='POE' post='76015' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:19 PM']So what are you saying? You left us with stats and no explanation??? I can guess what you are trying to tell us but I would rather hear what type of Flacco trash talk you leave us with. This will never end will it? Nobody wants to be a fan anymore..they all want to be the coach![/quote]

So why are we even talking about the Ravens period? Non of us are Ravens coaches so we shouldn't comment on anything, right? Oh wait, that's right!...we're fans....d'oh, for a minute there I almost agreed with you.

Doesn't take a genius to understand what my post is about... maybe if you squint at it long enough it'll finally come to you?

[carlostelevida]

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ravens IQ te pasaste

i was thinking to do the same until i read you post

[POE]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76018' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:24 PM']So why are we even talking about the Ravens period? Non of us are Ravens coaches so we shouldn't comment on anything, right? Oh wait, that's right!...we're fans....d'oh, for a minute there I almost agreed with you.

Doesn't take a genius to understand what my post is about... maybe if you squint at it long enough it'll finally come to you?[/quote]

My point is that some of you guys can't just look at some of the positives, and always look at the worst case scenario of every situation. The person that opened this topic was throwing out some positives for people, like yourself, to look at and reflect what Flacco could turn out to be and you turn around and throw out some stats to be a smart***.

Maybe I have had enough of the PUT TROY IN crap and would just like for us to be fans and do what fans should do in these situations and that is back the team 100% regardless of what you think. I'm not saying that opionions are not welcome because that is what these sites are for but it is just getting old to hear the same mess over and over.

[ROH522155]

i agree

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='POE' post='76015' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:19 PM']So what are you saying? You left us with stats and no explanation??? I can guess what you are trying to tell us but I would rather hear what type of Flacco trash talk you leave us with. This will never end will it? Nobody wants to be a fan anymore..they all want to be the coach![/quote]

He was trying to imply that those QB's struggled but turned out great, maybe it will be same for Flacco!

[ROH522155]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='76031' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:52 PM']He was trying to imply that those QB's struggled but turned out great, maybe it will be same for Flacco![/quote]
he wasnt confused about my post it was ravensIQ's

[POE]

[quote name='Florida Ravens Fan' post='76031' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:52 PM']He was trying to imply that those QB's struggled but turned out great, maybe it will be same for Flacco![/quote]

Please read all the posts next time and you will figure it out. I understood what the topic starter was trying to say. It was RavensIQ's post that was in question.

[ravens27]

[quote name='ravensorioleshoyas522155' date='Oct 13 2008, 08:42 PM' post='75996']
Manning- 28 INTS Rating- 71.2 3-13 record
Elway- 11 GMS 7 TDs 14 INTS Rating- 54.9 Record- 4-6
Unitas- 12 games played, 7 starts 9 TDS 10 INTS rating 74
S. Young- First 19 games- 11 TDS 21 INTS Record 3-16
(there are plenty more examples i could use)

what im trying to say is a lot of great quarterbacks struggle from the beginning

give joe a break. if you didnt think he was gonna need time then you're pretty ignorant because HELLO!! He came from DELAWARE! where?? DELAWARE!! so yea give him a break he could turn out to be something special
[/quote



Those are some good stats. I think Flacco will have his issues but he will get better each game with practice and if we ever get some very good wr besides Mason.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

sorry about that POE misunderstood your post.

[Apurple&orangeMD]

I totally agree people..im not mad at joe im more mad at the play calling. i think u should let him throw the ball more cause that how he is going to learn lay off flaco.what im mad is that we are running the same type as off as when bilick was here. let him be free and spread the feild and throw that ball. this is what our off is run -run-screen ,run-run-run, run-run-omg pass on third and ten what they know ur gonna throw the ball..lololloolo!!!!!!!!!its so lameeeee!!!!!!!!!!!we might as well kept billick.

[Raven-D]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76003' date='Oct 13 2008, 08:59 PM']yeah but they all struggled on BAD teams...

The Baltimore Ravens are not a bad team. We've been 1 qb away from a dynasty for almost a decade.

How come Big Ben didn't struggle in his 1st year? How Come Dan Marino didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Joe Montana didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Brett Favre didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Tom Brady didn't struggle in his 1st year? How come Matt Ryan isn't struggling in his 1st year?[/quote]

I see where your going, but I have to respectfully disagree on one or two points. It's true that those QB's were surrounded by great teams that led them to a tremendous amount of success early on. However, that is not the case in

Baltimore. In the past, I'll agree that we have been very close to championships on a few occassions, but have let them slip away (2006 in particular comes to mind). But, right now we have a fairly banged up secondary and equally injury ridden

rookie offensive line, which is understandably not able to keep pressure out of the young QB's face. As it stands we are missing tackles by quite a bit, not making any significant gains on special teams returns, blowing secondary

coverages, failing to get pressure off the rookie QB, not taking care of the ball (this includes Flacco, the WRs, and RBs), and when we are not committing these or other mistakes we get called back for stupid penalties. We're not

HORRIBLE, but there are many areas that need improvement. Just looking at the last season, particularly the New England Patriots game and you can clearly see everything that makes the Ravens great, and everything that has plagued

them as a team. Roethlisberger, although I don't mean to take anything away from him (even though he is a Steeler *spit* he is a good QB), came into a complete team in many respects. This is a team that made Tommy Maddox

look good. Matt Ryan on the other hand is exceptional, that is something that altogether surprising and should never be expected. The overall point of this thread, I assume, was to show that even though Flacco is facing difficulty in his first few NFL

games, this is a problem that is common amongst most rookie QB's. Many of whom went on to be timeless greats. This may NOT be the case with Flacco, but it is far to soon to tell. Flacco definately has shown potential in a few

instances amongst those rookie mistakes, but the main thing that gives me hope is that he doesn't get shaken when he throws INT's he gets pissed and wants to get back on the field to correct the mistake. The main problem with most

failed rookie QB's, for instance Kyle Boller, is they get knocked around, make mistakes, get booed by fans, lose confidence and hence never get comfortable under center. Building confidence leads to getting comfortable, which leads to

the game slowing down, which leads to a more effective passer, which ultimately leads to more wins. We, the coaches and fans, screwed up with Boller, I don't want to see the same thing happen here.

[purplebloodblackheart]

U know i have to say this because it hasnt been said on this forum yet. From the coaching staff to the players on down to trainers...........nobody got on the airplane with the intention of winning this game!!!!im sorry ravens fans it true. theres no way u can tell me otherwise. the ravens have NEVER i mean never looked so pitifull in all phases of the game as they did against indy. i will say this the offensive problem has been festering since the pittsburgh game. the main problem is Flacco.. the kid just isnt taking his time when he drops back to throw......its simple go thru your progressions if nothing is there throw it away or take off running with it........heard that before?? yeah me too. now on to the defense. Rex ryan never tried to come up with a better solution than the one we tried the last time the colts **** slapped baltimore last season. hey rex, guesss what?? cory ivy cant cover worth a damn!!! now u know dont try to put the guy on reggie wayne alone. if i can figure this out why cant u at a few million dollars a year. every colt td was achieved with a corner being isolated on a WR ALOne!! hey guys its called a dime, nickle, 43,34 defensive shell. u see thats when u have corners on the WRs and safties OVER THE TOP!!!! WOW im passed being pissed at this team!!! we droppet two close games that it takes a bonehead to lose and yet we managed to lose them in grand fashion we should be 4-1 right now with the indy blow out. this enrages me to no end. sunday was the first day ever i was ashamed to be from the state of maryland......im sorry.

[Byrdz]

[quote name='POE' post='76023' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:32 PM']My point is that some of you guys can't just look at some of the positives, and always look at the worst case scenario of every situation. The person that opened this topic was throwing out some positives for people, like yourself, to look at and reflect what Flacco could turn out to be and you turn around and throw out some stats to be a smart***.

Maybe I have had enough of the PUT TROY IN crap and would just like for us to be fans and do what fans should do in these situations and that is back the team 100% regardless of what you think. I'm not saying that opionions are not welcome because that is what these sites are for but it is just getting old to hear the same mess over and over.[/quote]
maybe he cant see any positive in flacco i dont either sit em let troy learn he is only in cause of his price tag

[neepo13]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76018' date='Oct 13 2008, 09:24 PM']So why are we even talking about the Ravens period? Non of us are Ravens coaches so we shouldn't comment on anything, right? Oh wait, that's right!...we're fans....d'oh, for a minute there I almost agreed with you.

Doesn't take a genius to understand what my post is about... maybe if you squint at it long enough it'll finally come to you?[/quote]

It seems like you are predicting Flacco will be a bust and after only 5 games. Thats not showing very much support or optimism for the future of this team. I guess its all DOOM! DOOM! DOOM! with you. Its a shame.

[RavensIQ]

[quote name='neepo13' post='76621' date='Oct 16 2008, 02:06 PM']It seems like you are predicting Flacco will be a bust and after only 5 games. Thats not showing very much support or optimism for the future of this team. I guess its all DOOM! DOOM! DOOM! with you. Its a shame.[/quote]


NOOOOO!!

I'm showing that just as there are Qb's that have started their career off poorly (like Flacco) and have become legends, there are also Qb's who have started their career off poorly (like Flacco) and have become busts.

To suggest that Joe Flacco will be as good as another based off of their struggling 1st year as a rookie quarterback is misleading and besides the point.

Get the point? Good.

You don't even have to pay me for teaching you this lesson. You're Welcome Neepo!

p.s. Stop making false assumptions DOOM!! DOOM!! DOOOOOOM!!!

[SickBoy]

[size=2]More Stats:
Akili Smith: 7 games, 2 td passes and 6 ints
Ryan Leaf: 10 games, 2td passes and 15 ints
Rick Mirer: 16 games, 12 td passes and 17 ints
Jim Druckenmiller: 4 games, 1 td pass and 4 ints
Alex Smith: 9 games, 1 td pass and 11 ints
Joe Flacco: 5 games, 1 td pass and 7 ints

Hopefully he can leave this company!!![/size]

[Jesse Conroy]

Nice stats...

Thank you.

[SickBoy]

[size=2]By the way, our Kyle Boller had 11td's and 12 ints in 9 games his rookie year. [/size]

[Ravenoid]

[quote name='SickBoy' post='76734' date='Oct 16 2008, 10:58 PM'][size=2]By the way, our Kyle Boller had 11td's and 12 ints in 9 games his rookie year. [/size][/quote]
You had 0 TDs and 0 Ints

[akacrow]

So far Flaccos comp % is higher then even Marino's rookie year. Im not sure completely sure but I cant recall any QB who started with a better comp % in their first fiv4e games then maybe Roethlesberger.

Roethlisberger had a much more experienced OL his rookie year including two Probowlers in their prime, Marvel Smith and Alan Faneca.

IMO comp % is the most telling stat as to a QBs performance not QB rating.

TDs to Ints is very misleading. A good run game will lower a QBs TD #s. Cam stated in one of his interviews that he prefers to punch the ball into the end zone.

[neepo13]

[quote name='akacrow' post='76755' date='Oct 17 2008, 12:39 AM']So far Flaccos comp % is higher then even Marino's rookie year. Im not sure completely sure but I cant recall any QB who started with a better comp % in their first fiv4e games then maybe Roethlesberger.

Roethlisberger had a much more experienced OL his rookie year including two Probowlers in their prime, Marvel Smith and Alan Faneca.

IMO comp % is the most telling stat as to a QBs performance not QB rating.

TDs to Ints is very misleading. A good run game will lower a QBs TD #s. Cam stated in one of his interviews that he prefers to punch the ball into the end zone.[/quote]

Honestly, I think stats as a whole are misleading. You mentioned completion percentage as a telling stat but I kind of disagree because you can never tell "garbage time" stats from actual games stats. If your down by 30 points in the 4th quarter, you have to throw the ball and the defense is going to give you a lot of the short stuff. So, its very possible for a very sorry QB to have a great completion percentage just based on completing short passes to wide open recievers. I think the best way to judge a guy is from what you actually see a guy do on the field because numbers are extremely misleading and dont always offer context.

[#1 D]

[quote name='RavensIQ' post='76629' date='Oct 16 2008, 03:11 PM']NOOOOO!!

I'm showing that just as there are Qb's that have started their career off poorly (like Flacco) and have become legends, there are also Qb's who have started their career off poorly (like Flacco) and have become busts.

To suggest that Joe Flacco will be as good as another based off of their struggling 1st year as a rookie quarterback is misleading and besides the point.

Get the point? Good.

You don't even have to pay me for teaching you this lesson. You're Welcome Neepo!

p.s. Stop making false assumptions DOOM!! DOOM!! DOOOOOOM!!![/quote]
Well You're right, but were trying to be optomistic here as a fan base....we know the reality of the situation, anyways. I mean he really shown that he can be successful by not getting rattled out there and having that constantly-calm demeanor. panicking QBs dont fare as much success as QBs who are calm as pressure, as we all know.