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[GrimCoconut]

ravensfan520, on 02 February 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

We must resign Rice Grubbs McClain and Webb. As great as Flacco has played I was reading that if they can't extend his contract the coaches and FO are really high on Taylor.

McClain is underrated because he plays next to Ray. Rice and Webb go without saying but if we lose Grubbs we better have a plan or someone ready to move in quickly or having Rice or Flacco will go nowhere.

I agree with two out of the four with Web & Rice, and I believe it would be perfect to have Grubbs back. I disagree that we must re-sign McClain. I like McClain. He does a good job, and when he was absent from the Patriots game we missed him. With that said, there's no way in Cherry Hill (no offense to anyone from Cherry Hill) you sign McClain before JOE FLACCO the franchise quarterback! I can't even put into words how crazy that sounds, and I've been to Saint Elizabeth's for clinicals!

Please explain to me why you think McClain has a higher precedence over Flacco, and please give me this source that the coaches want to start Tyrod over Flacco.

[reediddy]

dhstandard, on 01 February 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Being real right now, a MAJOR part of the Ravens cap space is taken up by Ed and Ray. I know it's tough to think about but Ed will probably be done in 1-2 seasons (hopefully with a ring). I feel we could get a big name WR, DE, OLB, T, or someone in free agency. Without even knowing specifics, I am positive that there is a major amount of space that will open up when Ray and Ed hang it up. Could we give them what we did to Ngata, about 2-4million in the short term (per season) and give them their boosts on the back-end. If you look at the cap there really is a lot of space back there.


NOTE: I am not talking about cutting Ray or Ed, or even restructuring their contracts (Ed deserves that money for all he has sacrificed and the little we have given him in return). I am saying that their retirement could open up space on the back end of a 4-6 year deal with a big name free agent.

Sounds like someone is a little eager for Ed to leave...haha I'm kidding

I agree though, it would behoove us to bring in an elite talent at WR/OL/OLB. Won't happen this year, too many free agents to lock up on our part. Anyone know the FA pool in 2014?

[ravensfan520]

GrimCoconut, on 02 February 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

I agree with two out of the four with Web & Rice, and I believe it would be perfect to have Grubbs back. I disagree that we must re-sign McClain. I like McClain. He does a good job, and when he was absent from the Patriots game we missed him. With that said, there's no way in Cherry Hill (no offense to anyone from Cherry Hill) you sign McClain before JOE FLACCO the franchise quarterback! I can't even put into words how crazy that sounds, and I've been to Saint Elizabeth's for clinicals!

Please explain to me why you think McClain has a higher precedence over Flacco, and please give me this source that the coaches want to start Tyrod over Flacco.

I understand your love for Flacco... but Baltimore has always relied on defense and if we have to pick between Flacco or Rice and Grubbs or Rice and one of our defensive players like McClain. I choose to let Flacco play out his contract and walk. I read the Flacco post on one of the news bulletins about Ozzie from the Ravens web site. McClain is a very underrated defensive player and we don't have the money to replace him with a high tier LB and i believe he does have the tools to succeed.

Edited by ravensfan520, 03 February 2012 - 02:14 PM.

[Ravenslifer]

Tatelli, on 02 February 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

The counter to this is a solid D will keep an average O in the games. IMO we have a good enough WR's to run with any team as long as the schemes/game planing matches the people. So I agree the OL should be our primary target.

Are you forgetting that Cam Cameron is our OC? The same guy who took 17.5 games this year to realize that Q is deadly when used as a slot receiver and not as effective when on the outside?

[GrimCoconut]

ravensfan520, on 03 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

I understand your love for Flacco... but Baltimore has always relied on defense and if we have to pick between Flacco or Rice and Grubbs or Rice and one of our defensive players like McClain. I choose to let Flacco play out his contract and walk. I read the Flacco post on one of the news bulletins about Ozzie from the Ravens web site. McClain is a very underrated defensive player and we don't have the money to replace him with a high tier LB and we he does have the tools to succeed.

How many people have played next to 52? Bart Scott left and we are OK. Josh Bynes looked good in the games he played. We might even draft a better player than McClain in the draft. On top of that, an inside linebacker is not more important than a QB.

I am a Flacco fan, but that doesn't change my opinion that you don't choose a linebacker over a quarterback.

[Free Agent]

ravensfan520, on 02 February 2012 - 10:10 PM, said:

We must resign Rice Grubbs McClain and Webb. As great as Flacco has played I was reading that if they can't extend his contract the coaches and FO are really high on Taylor.

McClain is underrated because he plays next to Ray. Rice and Webb go without saying but if we lose Grubbs we better have a plan or someone ready to move in quickly or having Rice or Flacco will go nowhere.

McClain is a decent linebacker, but there isnt a chance that we would sign our #2 ILB before we would sign our franchise quarterback. That would be nuts. And McClain isnt nearly as good as Bart Scott was, and we had no trouble replacing Scott.

[latenighthero]

ravensfan520, on 03 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

I understand your love for Flacco... but Baltimore has always relied on defense and if we have to pick between Flacco or Rice and Grubbs or Rice and one of our defensive players like McClain. I choose to let Flacco play out his contract and walk. I read the Flacco post on one of the news bulletins about Ozzie from the Ravens web site. McClain is a very underrated defensive player and we don't have the money to replace him with a high tier LB and we he does have the tools to succeed.

You must have missed the press conference. The one where Ozzie and Bisciotti plainly stated that the ravens WILL sign Flacco and Rice to long term deals.

[latenighthero]

GrimCoconut, on 03 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How many people have played next to 52? Bart Scott left and we are OK. Josh Bynes looked good in the games he played. We might even draft a better player than McClain in the draft. On top of that, an inside linebacker is not more important than a QB.

I am a Flacco fan, but that doesn't change my opinion that you don't choose a linebacker over a quarterback.

So I suppose you were against the choice back in 2000 when we decided to ditch Trent Dilfer in order to keep guys like Ray Lewis....

[ravensfan520]

GrimCoconut, on 03 February 2012 - 01:55 PM, said:

How many people have played next to 52? Bart Scott left and we are OK. Josh Bynes looked good in the games he played. We might even draft a better player than McClain in the draft. On top of that, an inside linebacker is not more important than a QB.

I am a Flacco fan, but that doesn't change my opinion that you don't choose a linebacker over a quarterback.

If we let McClain go we would be looking to fill 2 spots... Ray will probably retire in the next year or 2 and McClain can take that spot and a drafted position to fill the spot he leaves. Flacco will be looking for a contract of probably about 8-10 per... do you believe that he is worth that... plus we will still have to fill both safety spots after next year (ed and pollards contracts expire) and I think all but Yanda's contract is coming up as well... we can only fill so many holes with draft picks. Everyone here loves Flacco but I am only saying that I do not want to risk the rest of the team for one... Just look at Indy... if we put all our trust with one player and something happens and we don't have enough other weapons we will be drafting first.

Edited by ravensfan520, 03 February 2012 - 02:29 PM.

[GrimCoconut]

ravensfan520, on 03 February 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

If we let McClain go we would be looking to fill 2 spots... Ray will probably retire in the next year or 2 and McClain can take that spot and a drafted position to fill the spot he leaves. Flacco will be looking for a contract of probably about 8-10 per... do you believe that he is worth that... plus we will still have to fill both safety spots after next year (ed and pollards contracts expire) and I think all but Yanda's contract is coming up as well... we can only fill so many holes with draft picks. Everyone here loves Flacco but I am only saying that I do not want to risk the rest of the team for one... Just look at Indy... if we put all our trust with one player and something happens and we don't have enough other weapons we will be drafting first.

I'm not saying let McClain go; we should try to keep him. What I am saying if it came down to Flacco or McClain, I go with Flacco all day every day. There isn't even a question about who to keep. And who knows, maybe we draft Vontaze Burflict, Luke Kuechly, Dont'a Hightower, or even Manti Te'o next year. Maybe one of those guys steps up and takes over for Lewis in a big way. We don't know. I know that I would not get into a bidding war for Jameel McClain, as much as I like him. I certainly wouldn't take him over a FRANCHISE quarterback. Nobody is saying to invest everything into Flacco, but it would be dumb as bricks to let him walk just to sign McClain.

latenighthero, on 03 February 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

So I suppose you were against the choice back in 2000 when we decided to ditch Trent Dilfer in order to keep guys like Ray Lewis....

Lol. Let's not compare 2000 Ray Lewis to 2011 Jameel McCLain, or 2000 Trent Dilfer for 2011 Joe Flacco. Those comparisons are so poor. You're talking about a future Hall of Fame player with 2000 Ray Lewis.

Edited by GrimCoconut, 03 February 2012 - 03:31 PM.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

i'd rather have a stud left tackle and a solid center than one of these big name WRs coming onto free agency this year.

[ravensfan520]

GrimCoconut, on 03 February 2012 - 03:09 PM, said:

I'm not saying let McClain go; we should try to keep him. What I am saying if it came down to Flacco or McClain, I go with Flacco all day every day. There isn't even a question about who to keep. And who knows, maybe we draft Vontaze Burflict, Luke Kuechly, Dont'a Hightower, or even Manti Te'o next year. Maybe one of those guys steps up and takes over for Lewis in a big way. We don't know. I know that I would not get into a bidding war for Jameel McClain, as much as I like him. I certainly wouldn't take him over a FRANCHISE quarterback. Nobody is saying to invest everything into Flacco, but it would be dumb as bricks to let him walk just to sign McClain.

Lol. Let's not compare 2000 Ray Lewis to 2011 Jameel McCLain, or 2000 Trent Dilfer for 2011 Joe Flacco. Those comparisons are so poor. You're talking about a future Hall of Fame player with 2000 Ray Lewis.

I don't think it will come down to signing Flacco or one other player... it will come down to signing Flacco or maybe 2 3 players. I don't want to pay him a lot of money when after next their are going to be even more holes to fill than this year. And giving Flacco more than an average qb salary can put us back a few years. Flacco to me is a good qb but not elite and I think a lot of fans think he is. He may be the best we have had in Baltimore but lets be honest that's not saying much. He has a strong arm but struggles with short passes and quick throws or looking off safeties and LBs. He did great against New England but so did everyone else... also he did good against the Steelers but so did Teboe. I like him because he us a Raven but I want to sure up everyone else as well... and want to make sure if he is extended if it benefits us in the years to go instead us costly us to be strapped for cap money in years to come.

[RavensRB1]

We should sign CB Nathan Vasher "THE INTERCEPTOR" and sign RB Laurence Marony and Sign Bob Sanders SS and sign Jermichael Finley TE and sign Alex Brown DL and Shaun Ellis DL and sign Ellis Hobbs CB and sign E.J. Henderson LB and sign Trent Edwards or Matt Flynn QB and Sign Pierre Garcon and Steve Johnson and Ted Ginn Jr WR and sign Tommie Harris and Robert Mathis DL and sign Kelvin Hayden CB and Troy Polamalu SS and Tracy Poter CB and Terrell Thomas CB and sign Donald Lee TE!!!!!!!!!

Edited by RavensRB1, 05 February 2012 - 02:32 PM.

[The Raven]

ravensfan520, on 03 February 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

I understand your love for Flacco... but Baltimore has always relied on defense and if we have to pick between Flacco or Rice and Grubbs or Rice and one of our defensive players like McClain. I choose to let Flacco play out his contract and walk. I read the Flacco post on one of the news bulletins about Ozzie from the Ravens web site. McClain is a very underrated defensive player and we don't have the money to replace him with a high tier LB and i believe he does have the tools to succeed.

I understand your love of the defense, but I would like to point out the fact that since Flacco was drafted we've had 4 consecutive playoff appearances, more than the rest of the decade, despite our great defense. And Ozzie said he's being resigned.

And why on earth would we resign an average, very replaceable LB before a franchise QB?

Edited by The Raven, 04 February 2012 - 03:55 PM.

[GrimCoconut]

RavensRB1, on 04 February 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

We should sign CB Nathan Vasher "THE INTERCEPTOR" and sign RB Laurence Marony and Trade Tom Zbikowski SS for Bob Sanders SS and sign Cornelius Ingram TE or Shawn Nelson TE and sign Alex Brown DL and Ronald Fields DL and sign Ellis Hobbs CB and sign Keith Bulluck LB

You can't trade Zbikowski because he is a free agent.

[ravensfan520]

The Raven, on 04 February 2012 - 03:53 PM, said:

I understand your love of the defense, but I would like to point out the fact that since Flacco was drafted we've had 4 consecutive playoff appearances, more than the rest of the decade, despite our great defense. And Ozzie said he's being resigned.

And why on earth would we resign an average, very replaceable LB before a franchise QB?

Well let's be totally honest here... we can still sign McClain... but the biggest issue is can we retain Grubbs and Rice while trying to extend Flacco... the argument really isn't McClain over Flacco it is Flacco over Grubbs or Rice... I prefer Grubbs and Rice... everyone knows how good Grubbs is what its like to have shift the OL around... unless we have a backup plan in place on this team our main priority is Grubbs and Rice... Flacco I havr said before outside of Baltimore probably won't get the huge deal he wants.

Everyone who needs a an will be looking at this and next Years draft or sign Manning or Flynn. He gets no respect and using that as a barginning tool for next.year could work out.

[Tatelli]

Ravenslifer, on 03 February 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Are you forgetting that Cam Cameron is our OC? The same guy who took 17.5 games this year to realize that Q is deadly when used as a slot receiver and not as effective when on the outside?

LOL.....Well I guess I kinda said this wrong. Our D is/always have been solid, I was trying to say our O does need some major help. I know Cam is not able to build a gameplan for the tools we have, so we really need to give Joe atleast 15 seconds for "ALL" our WR's to run their deep routs. The middle is only for RR we all know this.

[Ravenslifer]

Tatelli, on 05 February 2012 - 12:30 AM, said:

LOL.....Well I guess I kinda said this wrong. Our D is/always have been solid, I was trying to say our O does need some major help. I know Cam is not able to build a gameplan for the tools we have, so we really need to give Joe atleast 15 seconds for "ALL" our WR's to run their deep routs. The middle is only for RR we all know this.

Yep, that is the problem. If we're only ever going to use half the field in this offense, we might as well become the best offense in the league at using half the field.

[Mr. Irrelevant]

In my opinion I say we restructure contracts to get either a big time free agent, or a lot of mediocre free agents. I say we get
David Hawthorne at MLB. Now we don't need to draft a MLB to replace Ray. Or we get Dan Connor.
Well, if you want to dream big, we get super Mario. There is a very small chance we can get him. But I think we should be one of hs options, due to the fact that he would make our D really hard to mess with. So, if it is dreamworld, we get super M for a Tulloch contract, then we franchise him. (There is no way that will happen though)

[scrock]

atlravensfan, on 02 February 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

I think we as fans need to get up with the new NFL. Its a passing league. Everyone is saying wr isn't a need. 5 years ago I agree with you. I don't understand. Resigning linemen to protect the qb should be priority and finding a wrong either drafting one or fa is the key to winning in today's NFL.

Ozzie said WR is one of his top wants...OL, WR, and a pass rusher

so I think Ozzie knows the deal, Lee Evans didnt work out..Joe needs to a big target like Tom Brady has, like Rivers has...give Joe a Gronk like player and we are Superbowl champs