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[Mr. Irrelevant]

Flacco is elite, Cam slowed him down. He out gunned Brady, so that should prove critics wrong. I think he will be pro bowler next year.
Prediction
6 years 80 million
900k per SB

[berad]

Ravenslifer, on 06 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Same here. Philip Rivers has melted down a lot. Mark Sanchez acts tough, but when push comes to shove you see him scared on the sidelines. I mean, I really don't care about emotions on the football field at all - what I want is a quarterback who you can trust to make a play no matter the situation. And a lot of times Joe has delivered. Even in the losses this year, he still had a late TD drive in Seattle and one in Jacksonville. Even playing his worst games, there were still a lot of bright spots, which is what I really take away from this season. He and the offense have shown the talent, the question is consistency, and the only way you get there is more time together.

HAHA, so true. I mean some people call football players "scured" when they dodge contact or flinch but, sometimes, Mark Sanchez reminds me of my dog hiding underneath the coffee table during a thunderstorm - he's really frightened.

[Purple Nurple]

berad, on 06 February 2012 - 10:12 PM, said:

HAHA, so true. I mean some people call football players "scured" when they dodge contact or flinch but, sometimes, Mark Sanchez reminds me of my dog hiding underneath the coffee table during a thunderstorm - he's really frightened.

Remember when he lined up like a WR? EPIC FLINCH, lol. Someone needs to post that clip, I need a laugh.

[Ravenslifer]

Purple Nurple, on 06 February 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

Remember when he lined up like a WR? EPIC FLINCH, lol. Someone needs to post that clip, I need a laugh.

[Purple Nurple]

Omg, that will never get old.

[1/28/01]

Purple Nurple, on 06 February 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Omg, that will never get old.

And the yutz gets flagged!!

[Purple Nurple]

1/28/01, on 06 February 2012 - 11:31 PM, said:

And the yutz gets flagged!!

He jumps backwards and then sucker holds the guy when he isn't looking!

[scrock]

Ravenslifer, on 06 February 2012 - 09:21 PM, said:

Same here. Philip Rivers has melted down a lot. Mark Sanchez acts tough, but when push comes to shove you see him scared on the sidelines. I mean, I really don't care about emotions on the football field at all - what I want is a quarterback who you can trust to make a play no matter the situation. And a lot of times Joe has delivered. Even in the losses this year, he still had a late TD drive in Seattle and one in Jacksonville. Even playing his worst games, there were still a lot of bright spots, which is what I really take away from this season. He and the offense have shown the talent, the question is consistency, and the only way you get there is more time together.

Just because you don't scream and shout, throw your helmet and yell at your teammates, it doesn't mean you dont have a very competitive fire inside...Joe's personality is real laid back, never gets too high or too low

You could even see Tom Brady let the pressure get to him this year in the playoffs, he started to over think and he crumbled...thats what happens when you worry about your legacy

[CapoRocky]

Joe has the leverage here. He has proven that he is a winner. His arm is golden and so will be his bank account. Caldwell will bring some of that Payton magic to Joe and we will be better by far next year.

[Natty Boh]

Vinny Cerrato from 105.7 The Fan (and ex-Redskins GM) has Joe Flacco making around $15 Million/year. A 6 year deal would put him around $90 Million. I don't think that is far fetched either.

Edited by Natty Boh, 07 February 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[Ravenslifer]

Natty Boh, on 07 February 2012 - 11:21 AM, said:

Vinny Cerrato from 105.7 The Fan (and ex-Redskins GM) has Joe Flacco making around $15 Million/year. A 6 year deal would put him around $90 Million. I don't think that is far fetched either.

Now that's waaaay too much. At most he should make 12, and even that's too much, between 8-10 is the right number. Just under Eli Manning. Joe's smart, he understands that having more money to keep good players is good for the team. I hope he takes 10, lets us sign a lot of good players, wins a few rings, then at the end of his career takes a big deal and gets paid. Think of it this way - Mark Sanchez is making 15 million dollars. How many players would the Jets NOT be able to sign simply because of his inflated contract? Like I said, Joe understands this is about winning, and winning several rings.

http://sportsfeens.c...rback-salaries/

[Natty Boh]

Ravenslifer, on 07 February 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Now that's waaaay too much. At most he should make 12, and even that's too much, between 8-10 is the right number. Just under Eli Manning. Joe's smart, he understands that having more money to keep good players is good for the team. I hope he takes 10, lets us sign a lot of good players, wins a few rings, then at the end of his career takes a big deal and gets paid. Think of it this way - Mark Sanchez is making 15 million dollars. How many players would the Jets NOT be able to sign simply because of his inflated contract? Like I said, Joe understands this is about winning, and winning several rings.

http://sportsfeens.c...rback-salaries/

We can hope anyway. Players and agents are looking for the most money. That doesn't make them bad people, that's just the way it is.

[FerrariFan87]

Purple Nurple, on 07 February 2012 - 12:46 AM, said:

He jumps backwards and then sucker holds the guy when he isn't looking! What's another name for a cat?

Phil Simms held back but wanted to say "He is going to get destroyed for that." Priceless!

[Ravenslifer]

Natty Boh, on 07 February 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

We can hope anyway. Players and agents are looking for the most money. That doesn't make them bad people, that's just the way it is.

If I remember correctly, Tom Brady once took less money so they could keep players, and Alex Smith reworked his deal to make way less in order to stay a 49er, and I think both he and the fans are happy with the decision - Jim seems to have him on track to succeed. I think Flacco will do the same thing, I really do. Here's why. He wants respect, and he knows the only way to get more is to win it all. The best way to win it all is to go in with the best team, and the more money the FO can invest in other places - like his O-line - the better team the Ravens will have. I really think Joe will take less than what he could get in order to sign more pieces and have a better team.

[Natty Boh]

Ravenslifer, on 07 February 2012 - 12:10 PM, said:

If I remember correctly, Tom Brady once took less money so they could keep players, and Alex Smith reworked his deal to make way less in order to stay a 49er, and I think both he and the fans are happy with the decision - Jim seems to have him on track to succeed. I think Flacco will do the same thing, I really do. Here's why. He wants respect, and he knows the only way to get more is to win it all. The best way to win it all is to go in with the best team, and the more money the FO can invest in other places - like his O-line - the better team the Ravens will have. I really think Joe will take less than what he could get in order to sign more pieces and have a better team.

Like I said, I hope so. I just wouldn't be surprised if he takes everything he can get. His rookie contract was 5 years/$30 Million and most players don't take less unless they have already had their big payday. 5 years/$30 Million is a big payday for anyone but it's all relative in the NFL. There is always the exception to the rule. Lets hope Joe is it.

Edited by Natty Boh, 07 February 2012 - 12:17 PM.

[Raving_Heathen]

scrock, on 06 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

I just think how Eli Manning was looked at before he got to this Superbowl, he was still viewed as 2nd class or whatever...and Eli's numbers are similar to Flacco's except for Eli will turn it over much quicker

I've never been a fan of Eli until this year. Even after his 07 SB win, I was still convinced he was a fluke, and for 3 years, people like me were right. But it's like he just flipped a switch this year, and he went from slightly above average to unequivocally Top 5. He went toe-to-toe with Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady this year- twice- and he outplayed both of them in the post season. All this despite losing his go-to receiver and having absolutely no run support. Eli literally carried that Giants team to a SB win.

Anyway, I think Flacco has the same type of ability, and it's been brought up many, many times in the past that there are lots of similarities between Flacco and Eli. Eli's QB IQ may be higher than Flacco's, but Flacco has been the far more solid player his first 4 years than Eli was in his first 4, overall. And anyone who says Eli was better because he won a SB his 4th year is conveniently forgetting that it took a circus catch in triple coverage from a bench warmer named David Tyree for that to happen. Also, it took another amazing catch from Manningham this year for Eli to get his 2nd ring. And let's not forget the Santonio Holmes catch in SB43 that got Roethlisberger his 2nd ring. And while we're at it, let's throw in the tuck rule game that started Brady's legacy, where his FG kicker nailed a 45-yard FG in a snowstorm to help them advance ultimately to the SB. Meanwhile, what has Flacco gotten from his receivers and kickers the past two years in the playoffs? Dropped/weakly-stripped passes and missed chip-shot FGs that have effectively ended the season. Last year it was Boldin and Houshmandzadeh. This year it was Evans and Cundiff. Flacco might not be elite now, but I think he's way ahead of the curve on his way to being there. Just remember that for years, people were bashing and doubting guys like Brady and Eli, too, and it wasn't until their 30's (in their 7th or 8th year in the league) where they showed they could put up big stats and carry their teams.

Edited by Raving_Heathen, 07 February 2012 - 12:29 PM.

[hey_hernandez]

Ravenslifer, on 07 February 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Now that's waaaay too much. At most he should make 12, and even that's too much, between 8-10 is the right number. Just under Eli Manning. Joe's smart, he understands that having more money to keep good players is good for the team. I hope he takes 10, lets us sign a lot of good players, wins a few rings, then at the end of his career takes a big deal and gets paid. Think of it this way - Mark Sanchez is making 15 million dollars. How many players would the Jets NOT be able to sign simply because of his inflated contract? Like I said, Joe understands this is about winning, and winning several rings.

http://sportsfeens.c...rback-salaries/

Alright - longtime lurker, but this thread made me sign-up to drop my 2 cents. I've noticed a lot of people mentioning Eli Manning's contract and what his salary numbers are. Everywhere that i've actually done research and looked for his contract say that he was either signed to a 6yr/97 million dollar "Extension", which adds to his final year of his rookie contract's salary of 9.4 million (see here: http://www.usatoday....extension_N.htm ) or say he signed a 7yr/106.9 million dollar "Contract". (see 'contract details' here, right above 'age/dob/college' : http://www.rotoworld...657/eli-manning ). Either way, the numbers flesh out, with only a 500k discrepancy between them.

The point? The first contract number puts his avg yearly salary at 16.16 million/yr, and the second puts him at 15.27 million/yr. Sure his actual annual salary is lower because of the 35 million dollar signing bonus, but the point is the man is NOT an 8-10 million dollar QB.

Further, this was back before the 2009 season. True, Eli won a superbowl. It's also true that he, like Joe, was not a world-breaker. These types of contracts are not wholly paying you for your past performance. They're paying you for the anticipated future performance. Now, undervalue Joe all you want guys, but the fact of the matter is that he wins. And with only four years of experience. The anticipated future performance of Joe Flacco and his offense can only be as high, if not higher than his past performance. Add in that Team Owner Biscotti publicly said that he anticipates that Joe Flacco is entering the 10 years of his prime, and that he sees him winning multiple rings, that gives creedence to Joe's agent to push for a much higher number than what some here are espousing. 8-10 million a year? Pipe dream (sorry, but the only way I see him getting this is after a huge signing bonus lowers his annual cap number). 12 million a year? Maybe, but unfortunately, that's the low-end of contract talks. My personal opinion on the contract talks? Somewhere between 13 and 15 million a year. I personally cringe at 15 million a year, but his agent wouldn't be doing his job if he weren't pushing for that.

My hopeful sweet-spot is 13.5-14 mil/yr @ 6 yrs. Add in his last year of his rookie deal of 8.86 mil (6.76mil + 2.1mil roster bonus) and we'll probably be looking at a total of a 7yr/90-93mil contract. That'd actually help, because then it lowers his pre-signing bonus number to either just above or below 13mil.

[Natty Boh]

hey_hernandez, on 07 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

Alright - longtime lurker, but this thread made me sign-up to drop my 2 cents. I've noticed a lot of people mentioning Eli Manning's contract and what his salary numbers are. Everywhere that i've actually done research and looked for his contract say that he was either signed to a 6yr/97 million dollar "Extension", which adds to his final year of his rookie contract's salary of 9.4 million (see here: http://www.usatoday....extension_N.htm ) or say he signed a 7yr/106.9 million dollar "Contract". (see 'contract details' here, right above 'age/dob/college' : http://www.rotoworld...657/eli-manning ). Either way, the numbers flesh out, with only a 500k discrepancy between them.

The point? The first contract number puts his avg yearly salary at 16.16 million/yr, and the second puts him at 15.27 million/yr. Sure his actual annual salary is lower because of the 35 million dollar signing bonus, but the point is the man is NOT an 8-10 million dollar QB.

Further, this was back before the 2009 season. True, Eli won a superbowl. It's also true that he, like Joe, was not a world-breaker. These types of contracts are not wholly paying you for your past performance. They're paying you for the anticipated future performance. Now, undervalue Joe all you want guys, but the fact of the matter is that he wins. And with only four years of experience. The anticipated future performance of Joe Flacco and his offense can only be as high, if not higher than his past performance. Add in that Team Owner Biscotti publicly said that he anticipates that Joe Flacco is entering the 10 years of his prime, and that he sees him winning multiple rings, that gives creedence to Joe's agent to push for a much higher number than what some here are espousing. 8-10 million a year? Pipe dream (sorry, but the only way I see him getting this is after a huge signing bonus lowers his annual cap number). 12 million a year? Maybe, but unfortunately, that's the low-end of contract talks. My personal opinion on the contract talks? Somewhere between 13 and 15 million a year. I personally cringe at 15 million a year, but his agent wouldn't be doing his job if he weren't pushing for that.

My hopeful sweet-spot is 13.5-14 mil/yr @ 6 yrs. Add in his last year of his rookie deal of 8.86 mil (6.76mil + 2.1mil roster bonus) and we'll probably be looking at a total of a 7yr/90-93mil contract. That'd actually help, because then it lowers his pre-signing bonus number to either just above or below 13mil.

There is no way I could have said this as nicely as you have but I certainly agree. Sometimes I know what I want to say in my head but I just can't find the words. Joe will get paid big money and he has and will continue to earn it.

Edited by Natty Boh, 07 February 2012 - 10:21 PM.

[Suggs Package]

It should be an escalating contract that averages around 12mil per year, but will more likely be 13 to 14 in my opinion (stupid Kevin Kolb).

[atlravensfan]

Suggs Package, on 14 February 2012 - 03:33 PM, said:

It should be an escalating contract that averages around 12mil per year, but will more likely be 13 to 14 in my opinion (stupid Kevin Kolb).

I feel you.on your.post. I don't know where ppl are getting 8 to 10 mil a year from. Atleast 12 to 15 with escalators. Joe would have to be crazy to take less then.market value on his first deal. Most players rework after the get.their upfront money.