It's Confirmed: Long Term Deal To Be Worked On With Joe Flacco

[Greatness]

Whatever deal Flacco gets now will be a bargain in the future. Pat Moriaty dodged a bullet with my man Lee Evans dropping the ball. Just get him locked up for the long term so he can finally start disobeying Cam since he know he won't be cut or let go. Haha.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Greatness' timestamp='1329465911' post='996138']
Whatever deal Flacco gets now will be a bargain in the future. Pat Moriaty dodged a bullet with my man Lee Evans dropping the ball. [b]Just get him locked up for the long term so he can finally start disobeying Cam since he know he won't be cut or let go.[/b] Haha.
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Man I wish that would happen, but that sort of thing isn't in Flacco's mentality. He'll probably just soldier on, no matter how bad of a position he's put in by that moron.

[Crabcakes&Football]

Flacco is either gonna end up overpaid or the deal will reach a stalemate. Ozzie and Bisciotti started it off at the state of the Ravens address giving Flacco praise. Saying they believe he will win multiple Superbowls and he is a winner that they are completely behind. A nice gesture, they showed they were committed to a fair deal. The low point of the negotiations is the fair deal, his agent didn't show the same good faith going to the extreme end of a big contract. The Ravens won't agree with those extremes, so now the deal must be negotiated between the fair deal and the very top of Quarterback pay. His agent isn't gonna let it go to the low end of the deal, so the middle ground would be Joe getting overpaid.

[Alexir]

Flacco doesn't have the numbers, statistics, pro bowls or mvps to be compared to top 5 QBs. It was a starting point just to get the deal started but I don't know who Ozzie will use as comparison. Yes we have had 4 playoff destined seasons with Joe on the team but how do you put that into a deal? Whats the monetary value there? Who can you compare him to in the league? Fitzpatrick, Kolb and Cassel money? Do you pay him more than them but less than Rivers, Eli, Roethlisberger?

Only QB that reminds me of Joe is retired. He is less accurate Kurt Warner.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1329464509' post='996124']
I think that the Cam hate is a little too much sometimes. Although I think Cam is linked to the inconsistency of the offense, but [b]I think he gets more blame than he deserves.[/b] Truth is our offensive weapons aren't all there yet. We can't have shootouts with teams because we don't matchup that way with other teams. Our offensive line is better at run blocking than pass blocking. Smith was our only deep threat. I think that Cam will start to adapt more as our offense matures. I can't believe I'm kind of supporting Cam here. I guess a neg or two would be deserved [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img] But if he runs an end around, or continues to only run the ball on first down and never mixes it up, then I will be in the angry riot to run him out of town.

Note: The statistic of the Ravens winning by getting Ray Rice 25 touches is ridiculous and not a coincidence. It's not fair for certain people to have certain expectations when the Ravens win when we put the ball in Rice's hands by running the ball. But that doesn't mean he can't be more clever with his run plays and what not
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All I want from Cam is to stop making boneheaded decisions constantly. I understand nobody's perfect and even the best OCs screw up royally every season. But he should be capable of understanding that Boldin is not an outside the numbers receiver, that he's too slow to be running those routes. He should realize that putting Boldin in the slot paid off big the few times he did it, and he should know that Boldin played a large majority of the time in the slot while in Arizona, and that's where he's at his best. Cam should know that if the offensive line can't block he needs to do thinks like call more rollouts and more curl routes and other shorter routes to maximize the time the offensive line does give. He should know that if the offensive line can't block, Ray Rice isn't strong enough by himself to take on multiple defenders and will get stuffed, so Ricky Williams, who can push through better, should get more carries. Cam should know that if the receivers can't hang on to balls, that he's got a guy on the bench who is supposed to have some of the best hands on the team in Doss - are we to believe that Doss was incapable of learning even 1 single play between August and January? I believe Cam kept Doss on the bench because he's not as fast as Torrey or Lee, and Cam would rather have speed than the sure-handed guy on the field - harsh I know, but I really believe that's the way Cam thinks. The problem with Cam is that he does the same things over and over again, and somehow expects results. Every great offensive coordinator knows how to use their personnel effectively, and I don't think Cam does all the time.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1329494743' post='996308']Flacco doesn't have the numbers, statistics, pro bowls or mvps to be compared to top 5 QBs. It was a starting point just to get the deal started but I don't know who Ozzie will use as comparison. Yes we have had 4 playoff destined seasons with Joe on the team but how do you put that into a deal? Whats the monetary value there? Who can you compare him to in the league? Fitzpatrick, Kolb and Cassel money? Do you pay him more than them but less than Rivers, Eli, Roethlisberger?

Only QB that reminds me of Joe is retired. He is less accurate Kurt Warner.[/quote]

I think we can compare him to Roethlisberger if we must make comparisons.

Roethlisberger is nearly identical in the sense that he plays with a good defense, running game, and team is always in the playoffs. Roethlisberger doesn't put up elite #s either, and plays a similar role on PIT so I think that is the best comparison

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1329497290' post='996341']
I think we can compare him to Roethlisberger if we must make comparisons.

Roethlisberger is nearly identical in the sense that he plays with a good defense, running game, and team is always in the playoffs. Roethlisberger doesn't put up elite #s either, and plays a similar role on PIT so I think that is the best comparison
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A couple of people around here don't consider Roethlisberger elite because he doesn't put up the big numbers either. Makes no sense to me, but I made the same case a week ago.

[scrock]

Joe's agent is being a good agent.....this is the business aspect of it

Joe has won a lot of games, but he has had help by having a defense and run game, Joe knows this but his agent must get his client the most he can

[scrock]

prediction: he will make more than Cassell or FItzpatrick or Kolb.....and they got ridiculous money

Joe Flacco will make more than Matt Flynn and he's about to clean up because he did well while he was a backup

$18-20 million a year

[gabefergy]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1329501230' post='996384']
prediction: he will make more than Cassell or FItzpatrick or Kolb.....and they got ridiculous money

Joe Flacco will make more than Matt Flynn and he's about to clean up because he did well while he was a backup

$18-20 million a year
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18-20 is way too high, maybe thats what his agent wants. Thats Tom Brady/ Peyton Manning territory, and more than Eli, Rivers, or Roethlisberger. I think 15M at most, and even that is on the high end.

[scrock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1329502133' post='996399']
18-20 is way too high, maybe thats what his agent wants. Thats Tom Brady/ Peyton Manning territory, and more than Eli, Rivers, or Roethlisberger. I think 15M at most, and even that is on the high end.
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maybe i'm high, i thought Fitzpatrick and Kolb made like 12 or 13 million a year....so I figure I'd give Flacco 16-18 easy

[VJax83]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1329502809' post='996416']


maybe i'm high, i thought Fitzpatrick and Kolb made like 12 or 13 million a year....so I figure I'd give Flacco 16-18 easy
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Fitzpatrick is making about a shade under 10 mil a year and Kolb is making a shade over 12mil a year. Joe will probably end up getting 13 or 14 at the most per year.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1329501230' post='996384']
prediction: he will make more than Cassell or FItzpatrick or Kolb.....and they got ridiculous money

Joe Flacco will make more than Matt Flynn and he's about to clean up because he did well while he was a backup

$18-20 million a year
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6 year 59million dollars for fitz. Thats 9.8mill.
5 year 63.5million dollars for kolb. That's 12.7mil.

Both highly possible to being cut next year.

What you propose is ridiculous.

He will get paid more than Philip Rivers(16.7m thats with bonus), Eli Manning(16.8m with bonus), Matt Stafford(15m with bonus), Big Ben's restructured contract(15.5m with bonus) and in par with Tom Brady's contract(19.2m)

[redrum52]

Someone might beat the time to get rid of Lewis negs

[True]

The agent will ask for Top 5 and the Ravens brass will smartly make it worth a bottom Top 10 deal. 6 years $60-70 million with $5+10 million in incentives sounds reasonable.

The FO knows what they're doing and understand that you can't devote a ton of your cap space to one position because you have to have enough talent around your entire team and the budget must be spread equally around.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1329505450' post='996466']


6 year 59million dollars for fitz. Thats 9.8mill.
5 year 63.5million dollars for kolb. That's 12.7mil.

Both highly possible to being cut next year.

What you propose is ridiculous.

He will get paid more than Philip Rivers(16.7m thats with bonus), Eli Manning(16.8m with bonus), Matt Stafford(15m with bonus), Big Ben's restructured contract(15.5m with bonus) and in par with Tom Brady's contract(19.2m)
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That is ludicrous.around 19.2 million a year. I like Joe alot but I would never think this.

[codizzle]

No way in hades he's getting 19 a year

[lowrider]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1329497243' post='996340']

All I want from Cam is to stop making boneheaded decisions constantly. I understand nobody's perfect and even the best OCs screw up royally every season. But he should be capable of understanding that Boldin is not an outside the numbers receiver, that he's too slow to be running those routes. He should realize that putting Boldin in the slot paid off big the few times he did it, and he should know that Boldin played a large majority of the time in the slot while in Arizona, and that's where he's at his best. Cam should know that if the offensive line can't block he needs to do thinks like call more rollouts and more curl routes and other shorter routes to maximize the time the offensive line does give. He should know that if the offensive line can't block, Ray Rice isn't strong enough by himself to take on multiple defenders and will get stuffed, so Ricky Williams, who can push through better, should get more carries. Cam should know that if the receivers can't hang on to balls, that he's got a guy on the bench who is supposed to have some of the best hands on the team in Doss - are we to believe that Doss was incapable of learning even 1 single play between August and January? I believe Cam kept Doss on the bench because he's not as fast as Torrey or Lee, and Cam would rather have speed than the sure-handed guy on the field - harsh I know, but I really believe that's the way Cam thinks. The problem with Cam is that he does the same things over and over again, and somehow expects results. Every great offensive coordinator knows how to use their personnel effectively, and I don't think Cam does all the time.
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The only part I disagree is with Tandon Doss. I think Doss wouldn't open up any parts of the field because of his skill set. Him and Boldin offer the same skill set and we pay Boldin too much money to play Doss and take away from his receptions. But other than that I agree. Cam made it tough to watch the Ravens because the same mistakes were consistently made. There was no deception because he was so predictable. But I do believe he got better as the year went on.

[ThePurpleWall]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1329501230' post='996384']
prediction: he will make more than Cassell or FItzpatrick or Kolb.....and they got ridiculous money

Joe Flacco will make more than Matt Flynn and he's about to clean up because he did well while he was a backup

$18-20 million a year
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I dont see Joe Flacco making or Geting 18-20 million a year from the Ravens 12 million tops.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1329332361' post='994676']
I got a good idea.

6 years 30 Million dollars guaranteed in signing bonuses ($18M) and roster bonuses ($12M)

Everything else incentives

Per Years Incentives: (Make these Incentives active next year from past performance, so Joe gets paid with rookie contract this year)
Signing Bonus per Cap year ($3 Million)
Guaranteed Roster (Injury) ($2 Million)
Majority of Snaps ($1 Million)
Land in Top 10 Categories in QB (At Least half of all Categories in Comp%, QB Rating, TD, TO, Passing Yds, Comps, etc) ($1 Million)
Land in Top 5 Categories or get any major Awards (Pro-bowl, All-Pro, MVP) in QB (At Least half of all Categories) ($2 Million)
Make Playoffs (Wins%): ($1 Million)
Win Playoffs ($500,000 for Wild Card, $750,000 for Divisional, $1,000,000 for Conference Championship)
Win Superbowl ($2 Million)

That's $14.25M per year if he hits all the incentives or 6 years ($85.5M max with $30M guaranteed)

I'm willing to pay that much, if we get rings!

I know Cam is going to do his job keeping Flacco away from those top ten categories, so we save $3 millions right day. If Flacco can land in the top 5 categories, I have no problem the money that goes with it because that means he's with the big boys (Brady, Eli, Rodgers, Rivers, Brees)

Put heavy emphasis on what Flacco does best, winning playoff games. However, win the Big Dance, the money is yours next year.
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lol Anyone who believes Flacco is stupid enough to put his paycheck into Cam's hands just really hasn't been paying attention.

[ravens rule]

I saw a debate on nfl network where they were talking about Joe's contract and long term. It was probably the fairest argument I ever heard about Flacco. They said he's not top 5 for sure but they like him long term over guys like Matty Ice, Shaub, Cutler, Freeman, and Sanchez.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1329592226' post='997074']
I saw a debate on nfl network where they were talking about Joe's contract and long term. It was probably the fairest argument I ever heard about Flacco. They said he's not top 5 for sure but they like him long term over guys like Matty Ice, Shaub, Cutler, Freeman, and Sanchez.
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its on our homepage too and it summed all the guys up well, especially flacco, sapp even said theres other variables after mentioning cam cameron. good watch

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1329592226' post='997074']
I saw a debate on nfl network where they were talking about Joe's contract and long term. It was probably the fairest argument I ever heard about Flacco. They said he's not top 5 for sure but they like him long term over guys like Matty Ice, Shaub, Cutler, Freeman, and Sanchez.
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I saw that too. That might have been the most positive I've ever heard Warren Sapp talk about Flacco.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1329592226' post='997074']
I saw a debate on nfl network where they were talking about Joe's contract and long term. It was probably the fairest argument I ever heard about Flacco. They said he's not top 5 for sure but they like him long term over guys like Matty Ice, Shaub, Cutler, Freeman, and Sanchez.
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I was surprised that Warren Sapp and Holt gave Flacco some respect. It is hard to put Joe in the Top 5 when he doesn't have a Super Bowl and based on his stats, which again are hampered by an antiquated offensive system, but he's still a player you lock up. I don't think anyone can argue that he's a franchise quarterback, especially compared to those other guys they brought up on NFL Network.

[BmoreRavens732]

[quote name='ravens rule' timestamp='1329592226' post='997074']
I saw a debate on nfl network where they were talking about Joe's contract and long term. It was probably the fairest argument I ever heard about Flacco. They said he's not top 5 for sure but they like him long term over guys like Matty Ice, Shaub, Cutler, Freeman, and Sanchez.
[/quote]yeah i seen it and,was very shocked!! I thought i was about to listen to joe getting bashed atleast one more time before preseason but i was happy with every thing they said besides top 15...i agree he isnt top 5 but hes definatley top 10 and i dont care what any analyst or flacco hater or "realist" says but overall i was impressed

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1329505779' post='996475']
Someone might beat the time to get rid of Lewis negs
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Who? what post number? i wanna see?

[Guest RBates]

Warren Sapp and Torrey Holt said Joe Flacco was not a top ten, but a top fifteen QB. I can't think of ten QB's better than him right now.

[arnie_uk]

they said he was not top 5

[1/28/01]

Those thinking that his agent asking for top 5 money is a stupid move are<insult deleted>! Do I think he should get top 5 money? Hell no! But he sure should ask for it...its a business!